Muwan Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 Dobro došao i slobodno se priključi, nismo mi nikakvi dipl. eksperti, ovo je virtuelna kafana :) Oglasio se Tajland, ne znam da li ovim demantuju sami sebe od pre nekoliko dana ili su to mediji bulaznili da njihova vojska ništa ne zna. Bilo kako bilo, i oni su imali MH370 na radaru. The Thai military was receiving normal flight path and communication data from the Boeing 777-200 on its planned March 8 route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing until 1:22 a.m., when it disappeared from its radar. Six minutes later, the Thai military detected an unknown signal, a Royal Thai Air Force spokesman told CNN. This unknown aircraft, possibly Flight 370, was heading the opposite direction Boldovano bi trebalo da znači da su znali o kom avionu je reč i kuda ide, odnosno da im je let bio najavljen a signal/odraz "poznat". Ono što se ne navodi je šta su preduzeli kada je poznat signal nestao a zamenio ga nepoznat koji se kretao u suprotnom pravcu. Ispratili ga laganim pogledom bez uzbuđivanja?
wall Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 E to! "Jeste videli smo ga, ali verovali smo da će ubrzo napustiti naš vazdušni prostor."
Muwan Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 (edited) Bemliga, možda su mislili da se okreće i vraća na aerodrom zbog nekog kvara. Takve stvari nisu toliko retke. Sad treba dokučiti generalne vojne procedure za najavljene letove koji nenajavljeno skrenu sa kursa... Edit: ona boldovana rečenica može da znači da su ga pratili i po sekundarnom odrazu (transponderu). Edited March 18, 2014 by beowl
Dionysos Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 мени, по принципу окамове оштрице, ово делује као најлогичније објашњење које сам до сада чуо - http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/
belch Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 tanjug pise ko da se zna tacno sta se desilo http://www.tanjug.rs/novosti/122004/malezijski-avion-zahvatio-pozar--piloti-umrli-herojski.htm#.Uyg0ROqrLIY.facebook
morgana Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 da je ovo tv serija, rekla bih da je pozar i herojstvo pilota najprihvatljiviji keaj
nautilus Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 Zar nije u sred Indijskog okeana 1 Dijego Garsija sa tonom radara i raznorazne elektronike? tek bi oni primijetili nesto neobicno.
Muwan Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 E to! "Jeste videli smo ga, ali verovali smo da će ubrzo napustiti naš vazdušni prostor." Kao da si ga naručio: Thailand’s military said on Tuesday that its radar detected a plane that may have been Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 just minutes after the jetliner’s communications went down, and that it didn’t share the information with Malaysia earlier because it wasn’t specifically asked for it. A twisting flight path described on Tuesday by Thai air force spokesman Air Vice Marshal Montol Suchookorn took the plane to the Strait of Malacca, which is where Malaysian radar tracked Flight 370 early March 8. But Mr. Montol said the Thai military doesn’t know whether it detected the same plane. Thailand’s failure to quickly share possible information regarding the fate of the plane, and the 239 people aboard it, may not substantially change what Malaysian officials know, but it raises questions about the degree to which some countries are sharing their defense information, even in the name of an urgent and mind-bending aviation mystery. With only its own radar to go on, it took Malaysia a week to confirm that Flight 370 had entered the strait, an important detail that led it to change its search strategy. When asked why it took so long to release the information, Mr. Montol said, “Because we did not pay any attention to it. The Royal Thai Air Force only looks after any threats against our country, so anything that did not look like a threat to us, we simply look at it without taking actions.” “When they asked again and there was new information and assumptions from (Malaysian) Prime Minister Najib Razak, we took a look at our information again,” Mr. Montol said. “It didn’t take long for us to figure out, although it did take some experts to find out about it.” Flight 370 took off from Kuala Lumpur at 12-40 a.m. Malaysian time and its transponder, which allows air traffic controllers to identify and track the airplane, ceased communicating at 1-20 a.m. Mr. Montol said that at 1-28 a.m., Thai military radar “was able to detect a signal, which was not a normal signal, of a plane flying in the direction opposite from the MH370 plane,” back toward Kuala Lumpur. The plane later turned right, toward Butterworth, a Malaysian city along the Strait of Malacca. The radar signal was infrequent and did not include any data such as the flight number.
DarkAttraktor Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 (edited) mislim da je ovaj odgovor Tajlandjana vrlo verovatno paradigmatican po generalni odnos civilnih avio kontrola u tom regionu prema mali neuobicajenostima i nekonzistentnostima koje ih se ne ticu. Indijci hoce da posalju borbene avione da provere svaki neidentifikovani objekat koji dolazi iz Pakistana ili Kine (kao sto tvrde), al im se jebe da se akaju sa bilo cime sto dolazi iz Indijskog okeana. Edited March 18, 2014 by DarkAttraktor
Downforce Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 мени, по принципу окамове оштрице, ово делује као најлогичније објашњење које сам до сада чуо - http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/ To bi bilo to. Definitivno najsmislenije do sada. I tacno ce nakon sto je produzio pravo, pocetnom zadatom putanjom, zavrsiti na krajnoj juznoj tacki.
Roger Sanchez Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 Ustvari, sad kad čujemo Tajlanđane, možda i ne bi bila neka senzacija da je u magnovenju preletio Sumatru.
Muwan Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 (edited) Imajte u vidu da je ovaj lik to napisao pre nego što su se pojavili satcom pingovi i očitavanje na malezijskom radaru (a sada i tajlandskom). Kasnije je, odgovarajući na komentare posetilaca, uvažio nove informacije i rekao da ne vredi dalje špekulisati dok se ne pojavi nešto konkretno. U kontekstu onoga što je trenutno zvanični kurs istrage, teorija o požaru ima jedan ozbiljan nedostatak a to su satcom pingovi prema kojima su motori aviona u 8.11am još uvek radili (ili je barem avion bio u komadu, pošto je satcom antena imala napajanje i poslala poslednji ping). Ovo je nespojivo sa požarom u avionu koji je izbio 7 sati pre toga. Ako je vatra bila toliko jaka da je onesposobila komunikacione uređaje i pilote, avion sa takvim požarom nije imao nikakve šanse da ostane još 7 sati u vazduhu. Srušio bi se u roku od deset minuta. Edited March 18, 2014 by beowl
Prospero Posted March 18, 2014 Posted March 18, 2014 SR111 bi bio primer, trebalo je cca 20 minuta od kad su namirisali dim do pada u more. Kakvih crnih 7 sati pod vatrom...
Muwan Posted March 19, 2014 Posted March 19, 2014 (edited) Da ne ostane sve na proverenim podacima, imamo 1 interesantnu medijsku špekulaciju od juče: okret na zapad koji je avion izveo u 1:22 (nakon što je transponder isključen) nije izveden manuelno već je ranije unet/programiran u računar. Ova komanda se navodno nalazi u setu podataka koje je ACARS poslao u 1:07. Ako je ovo tačno onda je havarija/požar malo verovatan jer su piloti imali više nego dovoljno vremena da jave šta se dešava i zbog čega programiraju avion da odstupi od predvidjene rute. Priča je krenula iz američkih medija i sada je svi vrte ali nema zvanične potvrde od Malezijaca. Možda će danas neko reći nešto na tu temu. Edited March 19, 2014 by beowl
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