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[magi]

Oko 80% Aboridžina podržavaju voice. Ovom promenom ustava bi bili priznati kao originalni stanovnici Australije i dobili bi telo koje daje mišljenje o zakonima koji se tiču njihove populacije. Tako bi se indirektno postiglo da bilo koja savezna vlada ima više obzira prema njihovim interesima nego što je to sada slučaj pa da ne vidim šta bi izgubili, jedini ishod je dobitak samo je pitanje koliki.

 

Simbolički je takođe važan otklon od Britanije i okretanje ka aboridžinskoj kulturi čime bi oni dobili na samopouzdanju a ostali Australijanci tačku susreta koja bi bila daleko pravednija od ove sada koja favorizuje anglo zajednicu.

[noskich]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-27/this-voice-is-powerless-lidia-thorpe-speaks-on-the-voce/102910036

 

Senator Lidia Thorpe has been a vocal opponent of the Voice referendum 

[noskich]

Svejedno, ja cu opet tradicionalno glasat za @peralozac

[noskich]

Ovo je toliko nisko da sam cak i ja iznenadjen. Covek invalid kojem je osiguranje isplatilo 2.8 miliona na osnovu nesrece koju je doziveo, a tokom koje mu je ozbiljno ostecen mozak, zbog prirode svog stanja nije mu bilo dopusteno da sam upravlja tim novcem. Odluceno je da drzava raspolaze tim novcem u njegovo ime. E pa danas je taj covek beskucnik.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11247885/Perth-man-Neil-Jackson-left-homeless-WA-Public-Trustee-lost-2-8million.html

 

Outrage at how Aussie man suffering brain damage from a horror smash and awarded $2.8million to live on lost EVERYTHING after his fortune was handed over to a government 'trustee'

• Neil Jackson was awarded $2.8million after he was severely injured in a car crash
• Mr Jackson's money to live on was given to the WA Public Trustee to manage 
• He is now forced to live out of his car and is unable to receive any welfare pay

 

https://fb.watch/nqoRW50lnm/

Edited October 2, 2023 by noskich

[dragance]

Kakva sramota. Nadam se da će (neko u njegovo ine) tužiti WA državu.

[noskich]

Ok, ajmo malo humora, ovo je pre bilo crno da crnje ne moze biti:

 

 

[Indy]

Ekčual novinski naslov iz Australije

 

 

[noskich]

1 hour ago, Indy said:

Ekčual novinski naslov iz Australije

 

 

Neofeudalizam. Samo s kolena na koleno. Nikako drugačije. Pravo lice plutokratije.

 

 

Edited October 5, 2023 by noskich

[peralozac]

Moj prvi referendum down under. Zanimljivo da listić nije na zaokruživanje već mora da se upiše odgovor.

 

Istorijsko-statistički (pun spisak u spojleru) Oziji uglavnom ne vole referendume i glasaju "ne". Sudeći po stabilnim rezultatima anketa i ovaj će propasti i to ubedljivo, 55-60%.

 

Ja sam napisao "yes", ali onako, kao pjesnik što ne vjeruje u vlastite stihove. Na kraju sam se vodio filozofijom "daj da probamo i to, najlakše je kritikovati i ne raditi ništa".

 

 

Spoiler

Referendum dates and results

Subject/Proposal	Issue of Writ	Polling Day	Result	States that Voted in Favour	% of Votes in Favour
Senate Elections To enable elections for both Houses to be held concurrently	8 November 1906	12 December 1906	Carried	All	82.65
Finance To implement the agreement to allow the Commonwealth to make a fixed payment out of surplus revenue to the States according to population. This was to replace the arrangement where the Commonwealth returned three-quarters of net revenue to the States	28 February 1910	13 April 1910	Not Carried	Qld, WA, Tas	49.04
State Debts To give the Commonwealth unrestricted power to take over State debts	28 February 1910	13 April 1910	Carried	All except NSW	54.95
*Legislative Powers To extend the Commonwealth's powers over trade, commerce, the control of corporations, labour and employment, including wages and conditions; and the settling of disputes; and combinations and monopolies	15 March 1911	26 April 1911	Not Carried	WA	39.42
*Monopolies To give power to the Commonwealth to nationalise monopolies.	15 March 1911	26 April 1911	Not Carried	WA	39.89
Trade and Commerce	24 April 1913	31 May 1913	Not Carried	Qld, WA, SA	49.38
Corporations	24 April 1913	31 May 1913	Not Carried	Qld, WA, SA	49.33
Industrial Matters	24 April 1913	31 May 1913	Not Carried	Qld, WA, SA	49.33
Railway Disputes	24 April 1913	31 May 1913	Not Carried	Qld, WA, SA	49.13
Trusts	24 April 1913	31 May 1913	Not Carried	Qld, WA, SA	49.78
Nationalisation of Monopolies	24 April 1913	31 May 1913	Not Carried	Qld, WA, SA	49.33
Legislative Powers To seek temporary extension of Commonwealth legislative powers over Trade and Commerce, Corporations, Industrial matters and Trusts	3 November 1919	13 December 1919	Not Carried	Vic, Qld, WA	49.65
Nationalisation of Monopolies To seek power for the Commonwealth to make laws with respect to monopolies	3 November 1919	13 December 1919	Not Carried	Vic, Qld, WA	48.64
*Industry and Commerce To authorise the creation of authorities to control the terms and conditions of industrial employment, to give State authorities similar powers to Commonwealth authorities, and to regulate and control trusts and combinations	26 July 1926	4 September 1926	Not Carried	NSW, Qld	43.50
*Essential Services to allow the Commonwealth to take measures to protect the public against interruption of essential services	26 July 1926	4 September 1926	Not Carried	NSW, Qld	42.80
State Debts to end the system of per capita payments which have been made by the Commonwealth to the States since 1910, and to restrict the right of each State to borrow for its own development by subjecting that borrowing to control by a loan council	9 October 1928	17 November 1928	Carried	All	74.30
*Aviation to give the Commonwealth power to legislate on air navigation and aircraft	4 February 1937	6 March 1937	Not Carried	Vic, Qld	53.56
*Marketing to give the Commonwealth power to legislate on marketing	4 February 1937	6 March 1937	Not Carried	None	36.26
*Post-war Reconstruction and Democratic Rights to give the Commonwealth power, for a period of five years, to legislate on 14 specific matters, including the rehabilitation of ex-servicemen, national health, family allowances and 'the people of the Aboriginal race'	4 July 1944	19 August 1944	Not Carried	WA, SA	45.99
Social Services to give the Commonwealth power to legislate on a wide range of social services	21 August 1946	28 September 1946	Carried	All	54.39
Organised Marketing of Primary Products to allow the Commonwealth to make laws for the organised marketing of primary products	21 August 1946	28 September 1946	Not Carried	NSW, Vic, WA	50.57
Industrial Employment to give the Commonwealth power to legislate on terms and conditions of industrial employment	21 August 1946	28 September 1946	Not Carried	NSW, Vic, WA	50.30
*Rent and Prices to give the Commonwealth permanent power to control rents and prices	12 April 1948	29 May 1948	Not Carried	None	40.66
*Powers to Deal with Communists and Communism to give the Commonwealth powers to make laws in respect of communists and communism	10 August 1951	22 September 1951	Not Carried	Qld, WA, Tas	49.44
*Parliament to increase the number of Members of the House of Representatives without necessarily increasing the number of Senators	28 April 1967	27 May 1967	Not Carried	NSW	40.25
*Aboriginals to enable the Commonwealth to enact laws for Aboriginal people. To remove the prohibition against counting Aboriginal people in population counts in the Commonwealth or a State.	28 April 1967	27 May 1967	Carried	All	90.77
*Prices to give powers to the Commonwealth to control prices	12 November 1973	8 December 1973	Not Carried	None	43.81
*Incomes to give powers to the Commonwealth to legislate on incomes	12 November 1973	8 December 1973	Not Carried	None	34.42
Simultaneous Elections to hold elections for the Senate and the House of Representatives on the same day	20 April 1974	18 May 1974	Not Carried	NSW	48.30
Mode of Altering the Constitution to give a vote in referendums to electors in the ACT and the Northern Territory, and to enable amendments to be made to the Constitution if approved by a majority of voters and a majority of voters in half the States	20 April 1974	18 May 1974	Not Carried	NSW	47.99
Democratic Elections to make population instead of electors, as at present, the basis of determining the average size of electorates in each State	20 April 1974	18 May 1974	Not Carried	NSW	47.20
Local Government Bodies to give the Commonwealth powers to borrow money for, and to make financial assistance grants directly to, any local government body	20 April 1974	18 May 1974	Not Carried	NSW	46.85
*Simultaneous Elections to ensure that Senate elections are held at the same time as House of Representatives elections	27 April 1977	21 May 1977	Not Carried	NSW, Vic, SA	62.22
*Senate Casual Vacancies to ensure, as far as practicable, that a casual vacancy in the Senate is filled by a person of the same political party as the Senator chosen by the people, and that the person shall hold the seat for the balance of the term	27 April 1977	21 May 1977	Carried	All	73.32
*Referendums – Territories to allow electors in Territories, as well as in the States, to vote in constitutional referendums	27 April 1977	21 May 1977	Carried	All	77.72
*Retirement of Judges to provide for retiring ages for judges of Federal courts	27 April 1977	21 May 1977	Carried	All	80.10
Terms of Senators to change the terms of Senators so that they are no longer fixed, and to provide that the election for both Houses are always on the same day	26 October 1984	1 December 1984	Not Carried	NSW, Vic	50.64
Interchange of Powers to enable the Commonwealth and the States voluntarily to refer powers to each other	26 October 1984	1 December 1984	Not Carried	None	47.06
*Parliamentary Terms to provide for 4 year maximum terms for members of both Houses of the Commonwealth Parliament	25 July 1988	3 September 1988	Not Carried	None	32.92
*Fair Elections to provide for fair and democratic parliamentary elections throughout Australia	25 July 1988	3 September 1988	Not Carried	None	37.60
*Local Government to recognise local government in the Constitution	25 July 1988	3 September 1988	Not Carried	None	33.62
*Rights and Freedoms to extend the right to trial by jury, to extend freedom of religion, and to ensure fair terms for persons whose property is acquired by any government	25 July 1988	3 September 1988	Not Carried	None	30.79
*Republic To alter the Constitution to establish the Commonwealth of Australia as a republic with the Queen and Governor-General being replaced by a President appointed by a two-thirds majority of the members of the Commonwealth Parliament	1 October 1999	6 November 1999	Not Carried	None	45.13
*Preamble To alter the Constitution to insert a preamble	1 October 1999	6 November 1999	Not Carried	None	39.34

Note: * indicates a referendum that was not held in conjunction with an election

 

 

 

[jms_uk]

U nedelju se setah gradom (28k koraka odradio!) i put me nanese blizu Australia House-a:

 

 

Desno od ovog je bio Voting Centre.

[Indy]

8 hours ago, peralozac said:

Ja sam napisao "yes", ali onako, kao pjesnik što ne vjeruje u vlastite stihove.

 

Mene zbunjuju "no" glasači, ali ništa više od Vučićevih ili Tramp glasača. Čitao sam malo zašto su za "no", uglavnom mi zvuče kao ljudi koji zadnjih 20 godina nisu knjigu pročitali, ako ikad. Ovakvi rezoni:

 

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This idea would just put a line down the middle of society and say some people are on one side and some are on the other. That creates racism, it creates division and gives us second-class citizenship

 

 

A i ovo je verovatno tačno:

 

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Perhaps one of the most concerning takeaways from the debate is that many Australians appear not to consider Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander affairs a frontline issue. Some would prefer not to think about the entrenched problems facing 3 per cent of the population, leading to decade after decade of poor outcomes in health, economic prosperity and life expectancy. For some of these voters, the No campaign slogan “If you don’t know, vote no” is a get out of jail free card.

 

 

(citati odavde)

[Gojko & Stojko]

57 minutes ago, Indy said:

 

Mene zbunjuju "no" glasači, ali ništa više od Vučićevih ili Tramp glasača. Čitao sam malo zašto su za "no", uglavnom mi zvuče kao ljudi koji zadnjih 20 godina nisu knjigu pročitali, ako ikad.

To ima smisla za mlađe "no" glasače (takve dobro odslikava ovaj video dole). Za starije (tj. mojih i tvojih godina) koji tako glasaju a kojih ima mnogo više se radi o čistom rasizmu, ništa tu nema čudno.

 

 

SaE

[Indy]

Moja izborna jedinica 63% za YES, ali smo u totalu očekivano pukli.

[magi]

Kod mene 51.5% yes ali su mi kriterijumi toliko opali da sam zadovoljan i sa 50.01%. 

Uglavnom bogatiji krajevi su za a socijalniji protiv. Takođe mlađi glasači za a stariji protiv.

[dragance]

Da li je veći problem bio kako je bilo predvidjeno da se sprovede, tj policy details, umesto načelnog “za” ili “protiv”? Čujem da su i pojedine Aboridžinske zajednice bile protiv. @magi @Indy?