ragasto Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Sudar titana. Nije najjasnije koji je od te dvojice veći idiot. 1 5 Link to comment
ragasto Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Zato što vodi neku kao diskusiju u kojoj javno pominje nečiju mamu kao kamiondžijsku kurvu. Meni je to dovoljno. 4 2 1 Link to comment
3opge Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 meanwhile in the US: Supreme Court abortion case brings 19th century chastity law to the forefront By Tierney Sneed, CNN 7 minute read Published 5:00 AM EDT, Fri March 29, 2024 Justices Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas. Alex Wong/Getty Images Link to comment
Mel Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 1 hour ago, 3opge said: meanwhile in the US... Taj opseg u USA mi je totalna misterija. Od lude Kalifornije do ovih goirh od Amisha. Link to comment
namenski Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 I ako jos nema zvanicnih naznaka u kojima se krece istraga koja u ovakvim slucajevima zna da potraje, i ako nema ni curenjatm o tome sta se da cuti iz brodskog voice recordera-a, osiguravatelji i podosiguravatelji su se uveliko uzmuvali... Prve procene o visini nadoknade krecu se oko 4 milijarde US$, tako da je za sada sigurno da ce dosadsnji rekord koji je drzala nesrecna Costa Concordia biti nadmasen... 1 1 Link to comment
ragasto Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 Dok čekamo rezultate istrage, evo par informacija: https://apnews.com/article/baltimore-key-bridge-collapse-03-27-2024-6a95340e5daeff6551fc999d23feb278 Izgleda da su piloti uradili sve što je bilo do njih, ali ne nalazim preciznu informaciju da li je sidro zaista spušteno nakon što je izdata naredba. Na snimku je brod napravio nagli zaokret pa je nastavio da plovi - možda zbog toga? I, verovatno ćemo saznatti da li je neko ošljario rutine maintenance motora pošto su svi alarmi počeli da vrište 45 minuta nakon isplovljavanja. Link to comment
namenski Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 12 minutes ago, ragasto said: I, verovatno ćemo saznatti da li je neko ošljario rutine maintenance motora pošto su svi alarmi počeli da vrište 45 minuta nakon isplovljavanja. Spekulacije naravno, ali na alarme koji se oglasavaju ima samo jedan odgovor: кочи, мајсторе... Predsednica US National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), Jennifer Homendy, koja inace vodi istragu jeste naglasila da ce posebna paznja biti posvecena mogucim problemima sa propulzijom, ali da ce izuzetno vazno biti da se ispita sadrzaj voice recorder-a... Koliko su svi zateceni pokazuju, primera radi, spekulacije oko spustenog sidra: na fotografijama na kojima se vidi brod vec zakucan u stub mosta vidi se sidreni lanac, ali je nejasno da li je sidro spusteno tokom pokusaja kocenja (u tom slucaju lanac ne bi stajao onako vertikalno) ili je spusteno tek kada je brod udario. Ono, sto jes'-jes' brodove ove velicine tesko je, ako ne i nemoguce zaustaviti/usporiti bez tegljaca, ali je brzo sidrenje ipak oproban nacin: vec se ukazuje ma mogucnost lose/moderne prakse, tako da po vecini komentara ispada da brzo sidrenje nije ni pokusano... Jebemliga... 1 Link to comment
vememah Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 (edited) Transkript CNN-ovog priloga sa rekonstrukcijom nesreće iz minuta u minut emitovanog noćas u emisiji Anderson Cooper 360° u prime timeu (1 noću po našem vremenu, ko ima vraćanje može da pogleda, nažalost nisam ga našao na internetu): Spoiler (BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) PETE MUNTEAN, CNN AVIATION CORRESPONDENT (voice over): Around 1:23 AM, we get a first glimpse of the Dali. It's on the left side of your screen. Auto traffic on the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore is still moving in both directions. At 1:24 AM and 59 seconds, numerous alarms are recorded on the Dali's bridge audio. 1:26 and 39 seconds, the ship's pilot makes a call for tugboats in the area to help. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) JENNIFER HOMENDY, NTSB CHAIR: That's the indication of the first sign of needing help. The tugs help it - help the vessel leave the dock, leave the port and then get into the main ship channel and then they leave. Once it's on its way, so there are no tugs with the vessel at that time. (END VIDEO CLIP) MUNTEAN (voice over): At this point, the Dali appears to have power issues. Video shows the lights on the ship go out, and it's heading directly toward one of the columns supporting the bridge. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) MARCEL MUISE, MARINE ACCIDENT INVESTIGATOR, NTSB: At 01:27 and four seconds, the pilot ordered the Dali to drop the port anchor and additional - ordered additional steering commands. (END VIDEO CLIP) MUNTEAN (voice over): The pilot said he called for hard rudder to port as far left as possible, that according to the head of the Pilots Association. Twenty-one seconds later, at 1:27 and 25 seconds, the pilot issues a radio call saying the Dali has lost all power and is approaching the bridge. Transit authorities work quickly to stop all bridge traffic. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I need one of you guys on the south side, one of you guys on the north side, hold all traffic on the Key Bridge. There's a ship approaching that just lost their steering, so until you get that under control, we've got to stop all traffic. (END VIDEO CLIP) MUNTEAN (voice over): From this CCTV atop the bridge, traffic stops in both directions about 90 seconds before impact. Then, the Dali can be seen on the bottom right of the screen. It's moving at just under eight miles per hour. Around 1.29 AM, it hits the Francis Scott Key Bridge. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) MUISE: From this moment until approximately 1:29 and 33 seconds, the VDR audio recorded sounds consistent with the collision of the bridge. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The whole bridge just fell down. Start, start, whoever. Everybody. The whole bridge just collapsed. MUISE: At 1:29 and 39 seconds, the pilot reported the bridge down over the VHF radio to the Coast Guard. (END VIDEO CLIP) MUNTEAN (voice over): From the first warning signs to a deadly disaster, all in less than five terrifying minutes. (END VIDEOTAPE) https://transcripts.cnn.com/show/acd/date/2024-03-28/segment/01 Edited March 29 by vememah 4 Link to comment
namenski Posted March 29 Share Posted March 29 (edited) Pogon puk'o, a auspuhtm purnja li purnja... Jebemliga... Dodatak: za sada samo glasine, da je ladja bila mozda nedozvoljeno brza i da zbog toga nije mogla da koristi (i) pramčani propeler za koliku-toliku promenu kursa, a sve i da je mogla pramčani propeler nije ič efikasano upotrebljiv pri brzinama većim od cirka 5 čvorova... Edit: ili ga se nisu dosetili... Edited March 29 by namenski 1 Link to comment
Radoye Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 (edited) 35 minutes ago, namenski said: Pogon puk'o, a auspuhtm purnja li purnja... Da, vidi se da purnja u par navrata bas jako, to sam od prve video, mislio sam mozda mu daju punom snagom u nazad u pokusaju da se zaustave nekako. No samo jedna ograd(ic)a - "power" ne mora nuzno da znaci pogon, moze da bude i struja (ona dva gasenja svih svetala). Upravo zbog tog snimka, jer su prvi medijski izvestaji govorili o "lost power", sto bi logicno bilo nedostatak pogona, ali kolokvijalno se u amerikama "power" koristi za struju a pogon bi bio "drive". E sad, koliko je kolokvijalan recnik primeren preciznim tehnickim rabotama... Bas i nije, ali to mi je jedino objasnjenje kojim mogu da pomirim logicki ono sto vidim na snimku i ono sto cujem u izvestavanju medija. EDIT: A kad smo kod struje ko zna koliko toga bitnog za kontrolu broda radi na struju, mada bi opet bilo logicno da su za takve potrebe sistemi poduplani pa i potriplani da bi se izbeglo katastrofalno otkazivanje svega odjednom. Ali u danasnje vreme superkapitalizma i secenja usiju da se pokrpe dupad u jurnjavi za profitom svasta je moguce... Edited March 30 by Radoye Link to comment
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