Politika u UK

[Budja]

31 minutes ago, jms_uk said:

 

Sada, posto mi je delovalo da si i ti za sada napisao.

 

Ne, referencija je bila na predlog laburista. 

 

Koliko se secam, sadasnje stanje je ako si rezident i EU drzavljanin mozes da glasas na lokalnim izborima.

[jms_uk]

12 minutes ago, Budja said:

Koliko se secam, sadasnje stanje je ako si rezident i EU drzavljanin mozes da glasas na lokalnim izborima.

 

+ Commonwealth drzavljani

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[vememah]

Ozbiljan govnar taj Džonson.

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Dismissing concerns that incendiary language can contribute to the culture leading to MPs getting death threats and Jo Cox being murdered as “humbug” (see 1.15pm) was probably the most provocative thing that Boris Johnson said last night. But another jaw-dropping moment came when he said: “The best way to honour the memory of Jo Cox, and indeed to bring this country together, would be, I think, to get Brexit done.”

 

Cox, of course, was passionately anti-Brexit. She was killed by a far-right terrorist motivated by hatred for people he referred to as “collaborators” and “traitors”.

 

Rachel Johnson, the prime minister’s sister, has joined those condemning the PM for his language, and on Sky she singled out this comment for particular criticism. She said:

 

I do think it was particularly tasteless for those grieving a mother, MP and friend to say the best way to honour her memory is to deliver the thing she and her family campaigned against. I think it was a very tasteless way of referring to the memory of a murdered MP, murdered by someone who said “Britain first”, of the far right tendency, which you could argue is being whipped up by this sort of language.

 

In an interview with Sky, Rachel Johnson also criticised her brother’s language generally.

 

My brother is using words like surrender and capitulation as if the people standing in the way of the blessed will of the people as defined by 17.4m votes in 2016 should be hung, drawn, quartered, tarred and feathered. I think that is highly reprehensible language to use.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/sep/26/boris-johnsons-brexit-rhetoric-condemned-as-mps-tell-of-death-threats-politics-live

 

 

Edited September 26, 2019 by vememah

[Gandalf]

 

 

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Edited September 27, 2019 by Gandalf

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Džonson predstavio svoj plan.

 

Nakon što istekne tranzicioni predio 31. decembra 2020., ostaje umanjena verzija backstop-a (bez carinske unije) ali samo za Severnu Irsku (kao što je bio originalni predlog EU) ali samo na četiri godine, do 2025. Ovo je nazvano "two borders for four years".

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/02/two-borders-four-years-what-boris-johnson-brexit-offer

 

Džonson je predstavio ovo na konferenciji konzervativne partije po sistemu uzmi ili ostavi, ili to ili no deal.

 

Irci već govore da ova ponuda nije prihvatljiva: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/02/irish-officials-dismiss-boris-johnson-brexit-offer-as-unacceptable

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Ovaj BoDžoov plan ispada na kraju najgore od svih svetova: regulatorna granica na Irskom moru između SI i VB, a carinska granica u Irskoj između SI i RI. I to nekako DUP podržava

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Kakva glupost, kakav tupav plan... Mislim da nista vise nije problem u vezi Brexita, osim Irske. A to je jedini deo na koji niko nije ni mislio kada su promovisali "nezavisnost" tokom referendumske kampanje.

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Edited October 15, 2019 by vememah

[vememah]

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Conservative Party leaflets obtained by the BBC suggest the party is preparing for a delay to Brexit. The leaked leaflets, made available to agents and activists last week, also reveal some of the arguments the party may use against their opponents in a general election.

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-50029635

 

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Jacob Rees-Mogg has said he believes the “votes are now there” in the Commons to agree a Brexit deal brought back by Boris Johnson.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jacob-rees-mogg-claims-votes-are-now-there-for-boris-johnsons-brexit-plan_uk_5da576c9e4b0058374e83857

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Boris Johnson 'on brink of Brexit deal' after border concessions

 

Negotiators understood to have agreed in principle to customs border down Irish Sea

 

Boris Johnson appears to be on the brink of reaching a Brexit deal after making major concessions to EU demands over the Irish border.

A draft text of the agreement could now be published on Wednesday if Downing Street gives the final green light, according to senior EU and British sources.

It is understood that the negotiating teams have agreed in principle that there will be a customs border down the Irish Sea. A similar arrangement was rejected by Theresa May as a deal that no British prime minister could accept.

Johnson will still have to win over parliament – including the Democratic Unionist party (DUP) and the hardline Tory Brexiters, the European Research Group – on the basis that, under the deal, Northern Ireland will still legally be within the UK’s customs territory.

“Northern Ireland would de jure be in the UK’s customs territory but de facto in the European Union’s,” one diplomatic source said of the tentative agreement.

The prime minister will be able to boast that the UK “whole and entire” has left the European Union.

Sources in Brussels said they were confident that the commission and UK negotiating team would land the deal overnight. But as negotiations continue, there is nervousness in Paris and Berlin about the rush to find a deal for the EU27 leaders to sign off at Thursday’s summit.

Speaking in Paris, a senior French official advised “extreme prudence” about the chances of a deal being struck that would satisfy the EU’s capitals.

“It’s not the Irish who will make the deal. Yes, there are better atmospherics, but what matters is the content, and we have seen nothing yet. Whatever it is, we will want to look at it in very serious detail.”

German government officials said reaching a deal this week was an ambitious target and that agreeing on the technical issues could require another two months of talks unless the UK made significant enough concessions.

The Irish taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, sought to reassure EU capitals fearful that a deal was being rushed.

“I would never ask the commission or the member states to compromise the single market, because our jobs and our economy and our security depends on that too,” he said. “We’re going to have to see how the next few days develop. If we can get to an agreement, on Thursday or Friday, and if the House of Commons is able to vote in favour of an indicative vote in favour of that agreement on Saturday it may not be necessary to even consider an extension.”

Varadkar expressed cautious optimism telling reporters in Ireland that “initial indications are that we are making progress, that the negotiations are moving in the right direction”.

Earlier on Tuesday, Michel Barnier had set Johnson a midnight deadline to concede to EU demands and agree to a customs border in the Irish Sea or be left with nothing to take to the Commons.

The EU’s chief negotiator advised that the capitals would announce on Wednesday afternoon whether negotiations on an agreement would have to continue into next week.

Barnier told the capitals that the starting point for a deal would be the Northern Ireland-only backstop, keeping the province in the EU’s single market for goods and creating a customs border down the Irish Sea.

After the meeting, Belgium’s deputy prime minister, Didier Reynders, said: “If we have an agreement tonight it will be possible to go to the [European] council and then again to the British parliament. But it’s not easy, we have some red lines, they are well known by all the partners. I’m hoping it will be possible today to make some progress.”

In a phone call with Johnson on Tuesday, the French president, Emmanuel Macron, acknowledged the momentum towards reaching a deal, but raised the possible need for a “technical” Brexit extension beyond 31 October to allow talks to bear fruit.

The bloc has insisted the EU27 leaders will not negotiate when they meet. “The European council will be a political moment to tell the story, not to make detailed technical negotiations,” said one French official. “It cannot be a catch-up. We do not do things urgently.”

The thorny issue of how to avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland has dogged the negotiations. The UK has accepted that Northern Ireland will remain in the EU’s single market for goods, although it is seeking to find a way to time-limit the arrangement through a consent mechanism for Stormont.

Barnier told ministers that the UK had dropped the original Stormont lock idea tabled by the prime minister on 1 October, which would have in effect given the DUP a veto on arrangements for avoiding a hard border coming into force and staying in force.

Under the new thinking, a majority of both nationalists and unionists would need to give consent at a point later in time.

Downing Street last week accepted there would not be a customs border on the island of Ireland. The government has been seeking a way to avoid one in the Irish Sea on the basis that it would represent an economic dislocation of the country.

But the EU rejected the UK’s proposal of a dual customs system at Northern Ireland’s ports and airports that would involve tracking goods entering from Great Britain and applying differential treatment depending on their final destination.

Barnier has instead pushed the UK to accept a model closer to a Northern Ireland-only backstop.

Under the deal being negotiated, Northern Ireland would not be part of the EU’s customs territory, but the bloc’s full customs code would have to be enforced in the Irish Sea.

The Brexit secretary, Stephen Barclay, who was also in Luxembourg and briefly met Barnier on Tuesday morning, had insisted a deal was “still very possible” when speaking to reporters earlier. “The talks are ongoing,” he said. “We need to give them space to proceed but detailed conversations are under way.”

Speaking before his meeting with ministers, Barnier told reporters: “This work has been intense all over the weekend and yesterday, because even if the agreement will be difficult, more and more difficult to be frank, it is still possible this week – reaching an agreement is still possible, obviously any agreement must work for everyone, the whole of the UK and the whole of the EU. Let me add that it is also high time to turn good intentions into a legal text.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/15/boris-johnson-close-to-brexit-deal-after-border-concessions

Edited October 15, 2019 by vememah

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Skoro pa isti dil kao Mejovka. Kakva blamaža Borisa!

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