Amerika, zemlja velika

[Weenie Pooh]

2 hours ago, levi said:

 

sigurno, kad te policija privodi samo ti pružaj otpor, imaće razumevanja za tvoju prirodnu reakciju

Ne kad te privodi nego kad pre pribiju uz zemlju i krenu da zavrću ruke, a traže ti da se opustiš. Pisali su ljudi tekstove o tom apsurdnom standardu koji postoji čisto da bi imali izgovor da ti urade šta god hoće - polomili smo mu ruku jer nije hteo da prestane da se opire, ko ga jebe.

 

Eric Garner je tako ubijen dok su mu govorili "stop resisting" a on odgovarao "I can't breathe". Njujork platio familiji šest miliona dolara i kao da ništa nije ni bilo.

[eoten]

2 hours ago, mustang said:

narod oko nje govorio joj da se ne opire. pogledaj pazljivije

ljudska reakcija u usa je da cutis i ne kenjas kako bi sto bolje prosao. inace si najebao pri hapsenju. pre neki dan su u mojoj ulici zaustavili auto koji je pokusavao da pobegne od njih (?!?), tri ribe, minici stikle ali jedna uradjena...ove dve je ucutkavaju, helihopter iznad, 3-5 kola upereni shotguns i pistolji u njih...lepo su ove dve namestili na trotoar da sednu dok su im vezane lisice od pozadi a ovu su dobro prilepili za beton. pa ti se opiri sad

samo što pijani, drogirani, bolesni ili drugi način dezorijentisani ljudi ponekad ne mogu da ćute i slede naređenja koja laju na njih.

 

desilo mi se, u srbiji, da nisam video da mi mašu pa su dojurili za mnom sa rotacijom, bez helikoptera, sačmara, pištolja, pendreka, čak i bez nekog posebno nadrkanog stava. a nekad, u lepa i naivna vremena sam mislio da komentare o podivljalim američkim pandurima pišu samo ultra srbi sa dna kace.

 

[mustang]

42 minutes ago, eoten said:

samo što pijani, drogirani, bolesni ili drugi način dezorijentisani ljudi ponekad ne mogu da ćute i slede naređenja koja laju na njih.

 

 

naravno. i tu postoji problem edukacije pandura u takvim situacijama....mogu iz pouzdanih izvora da kazem da policija los andjelesa radi jako dobar posao obzirom da je najveci poziv upravo za bolesne i drogirane. to je bas veliki broj labilnih ljudi sa kojima policija mora svakodnevno da se suocava. neki policajac iz wisconsin bi samo pucao okolo ko indijanac na ovakve ljude da dodje ovde. 

[mlatko]

na policajce? sto da ne, nek naprave neki erasmusa program i srede se.

Inviato dal mio Redmi 4 utilizzando Tapatalk

[askeladden]

Rekao bih da su LA cops zacetnici ove svetle tradicije cekicanja zena u glavu.

Dobro istrenirani,headquarters pozicija uz ground and pound nad bespomocnom zenom.

Edited May 28, 2018 by askeladden
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[mustang]

On 28.5.2018. at 15:48, askeladden said:

Rekao bih da su LA cops zacetnici ove svetle tradicije cekicanja zena u glavu.

Dobro istrenirani,headquarters pozicija uz ground and pound nad bespomocnom zenom.

 

ovo je staro 3-4 godine. bilo u novinama. koliko se secam ocevici na autoputu su videli da je zena krenula da udara pandura i dalje da se krece ka autoputu. i da je pregledom i ct scan utvrdjeno da nema ni modrice ni potres mozga. 

 

i dalje mislim da je mogao bolje da reaguje kad je oborio na zemlju. oslobodjen je krivice. 

Edited May 31, 2018 by mustang

[Eraserhead]

30 minutes ago, mustang said:

i dalje mislim da je mogao bolje da reaguje kad je oborio na zemlju.

 

Mislis? Dobro razmisli. Nemoj da se predjes u misljenju.

[mustang]

10 minutes ago, Eraserhead said:

 

Mislis? Dobro razmisli. Nemoj da se predjes u misljenju.

ne kenjaj

[askeladden]

Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.

ima jos par citata Mark Twaina koji bi jos bolje oslikali Mustang

[Krošek]

policajac je pucao kroz zatvorena vrata od garaže tobož verujući da bi crnac s druge strane mogao da puca, takođe kroz vrata od garaže, i ubio ga. slucaj takoreci standardica. ne moram ni da napominjem da je oslobođen

 

po građanskoj tužbi, porota () dosudila porodici crnca 4 centa (1% od 4$ za 1% doprinosa) za smrt oca i muža

 

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How could a jury award his family only $4?

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Gregory Hill was shot to death by cops in Florida. Why did his family get so little compensation?

A Florida jury last week awarded the family of Gregory Vaughn Hill Jr. 4 cents in a wrongful-death lawsuit filed after Hill was shot to death in his own home by a sheriff’s deputy in 2014. The deputies were investigating a complaint about loud, obscene music—Hill was listening to Drake’s “All Me”—and ended up shooting him through the closed door of his garage. Wait, 4 cents? How did that happen?

The jury may have been confused about the law, or else they tried to send a message, or it might be both at once. The lawsuit comprised two charges: a federal civil rights claim against the deputy who shot Hill to death, and a claim of negligence under state law against the county sheriff for allowing the shooting to have taken place. The jurors found in favor of the deputy on the first claim, and Hill’s family on the second. As for damages, they had been told that if they deemed it “entirely unclear” whether Hill’s injuries resulted from the unjustifiable use of force against him, they could award the family “nominal damages” of just $1; however, that instruction only applied to the first claim, not the one for which they found in the plaintiff’s favor. It appears the jury awarded nominal damages anyway.

How did nominal damages of $1 translate into four cents? On a claim of negligence, a jury must apportion out the blame for the incident between the parties. Hill had been inebriated when he was shot to death, and he had an unloaded 9 mm handgun in his back pocket. In the end, the jury decided that he’d been 99 percent responsible for what happened, while the sheriff was just 1 percent responsible. In many states, this would be the end of it: If the defendant is less than 50 percent responsible for what happened, he doesn’t have to pay a dime. But Florida is one of about a dozen states with “pure comparative negligence” laws, which means there’s no minimum threshold of responsibility for awarding damages. A defendant must pay damages proportional to his involvement in the outcome, however small that might be. In this case, the sheriff would owe 1 percent of the damages determined by the jury.

Take $1 in nominal damages and multiply it out by the sheriff’s 1 percent responsibility, and you get 1 cent. In finding for the plaintiff on the second count, however, the jury was instructed to award damages to four people: Hill’s mother, for the cost of his funeral expenses, and each of his three children—aged 9, 6, and 3 at the time of the shooting—for their mental pain and suffering and loss of parental companionship. The jurors awarded $1 across the board. The final total of $4 was then reduced to 4 cents given the finding of the sheriff’s 1 percent responsibility.

Among the many problems with this outcome is the fact that the $1 “nominal damages” instruction was supposed to apply to the federal civil rights claim but not the claim of negligence. In fact, the jury instructions specified that while there’s no exact standard to be used in determining compensation for the latter, awards should be “fair and just,” and based on evidence about the costs of the funeral and the effects of Hill’s shooting on his children’s lives. At trial, Hill’s mother testified that funeral expenses ran to about $11,000. His children testified as to the extent of their pain and suffering.

The jurors haven’t spoken to the press, so their motivations are unclear. They spent many hours deliberating and appeared at one point to be deadlocked. Two hours later, they sent the judge a cryptic note asking, “If we find minimal negligence, can the courts overrule monetary amounts presented by the jury?” The judge responded by saying, “The court does not understand the question.” Shortly afterward, their 4 cent verdict was delivered.

Here’s one more twist: Even if the jury did mistakenly apply the “nominal damages” option to the second claim, it may not have changed the outcome. Though Florida is a “pure comparative negligence” state, there is an exception on the books for people who are drunk or high. Since Hill had been drinking, and that fact led the jury to conclude he was more than 50 percent responsible for his own death, all liability for the defendant is wiped away, no matter the stated damages. That means the sheriff would have owed exactly nothing to the family even if the jury had awarded them, say, $11,000 for funeral expenses and half a million dollars for each child’s pain and suffering. As things stand, he’s not even responsible for the 4 cents in damages.

Got a question about the news? Ask the Explainer.

Explainer thanks Andrew J. McClurg of the University of Memphis and attorney John M. Phillips.

 

[Weenie Pooh]

Lepši primer "stop resisting" manije.

 

 

[askeladden]

Ah,da su samo imali tu famoznu obuku LA policajaca,sve bi.to bolje bilo.

[Weenie Pooh]

Verovatno je i deda krenuo da udara pandura i kreće se dalje ka autoputu, pa su morali da ga zajedničkim snagama obore kao mustanga na rodeu.

[askeladden]

Da je umesto penzionera bila neka sirotinja po mogucstvu crne boje koze , pale bi batine i pobiberili bi ga ko seljak supu. 

[x500]

19 minutes ago, askeladden said:

Da je umesto penzionera bila neka sirotinja po mogucstvu crne boje koze , pale bi batine i pobiberili bi ga ko seljak supu. 

Pritom, da se sve to desilo u Rusiji onda bi Putin bio kriv, a Rusija bi dobila jos jedan paket sankcija.