1025. pricala sam o krishni i budi

[Skyhighatrist]

Ipak se Tenzin na kraju nasmejao, nije skroz propao štos Ali stvarno, pazi njega, priča Dalaj Lami vic "Ulazi Dalaj Lama u piceriju..."

[Indy]

Iz prikaza knjige The Happiness Hypothesis Jonathan Haidta:

According to the teachings of Buddha and some of the Stoic philosophers, our pursuit of happiness is part of the problem. From their perspective, happiness requires acceptance and a disassociation from things in the external world. On this particular point, the findings of modern research diverge from the ancient teaching. Although an emphasis on inner tranquility can be helpful as an antidote to the turbulent world around us, Haidt observes that "Buddha and Epictetus may have taken things too far. Some things are worth striving for, and happiness comes in part from outside of yourself, if you know where to look.” Jon proceeds to tell us exactly where to look, as well as where it is useless to look. He discusses a number of intriguing concepts relating to the enhancement of our personal lives (many of which have been introduced in past issues of this newsletter) such as flow, inconspicuous consumption, gratification, the progress principle, the hedonic treadmill, posttraumatic growth, and the happiness formula. Here he gives his take on the things that we can do to increase the happiness in our lives, and points out that externals do matter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxDc24zSuzUI odgovor sa buddhism.about.com

... in an interview, "positive" psychologist Jonathan Haidt claimed the Buddha taught that happiness requires disassociation from things in the external world. And Haidt disagrees with this: "Some things are worth striving for, and happiness comes in part from outside of yourself, if you know where to look.”We "pursue" happiness because we think it comes outside of ourselves. But it's also because we think things are outside of ourselves that we are stressed about them and worry about them. Whatever can be found can also be lost.There's nothing wrong with striving to accomplish something, or making friends, or loving your spouse and children. The Buddha himself, after all, spent his life after his enlightenment associating with people, and teaching them. Non-attachment does not require extreme asceticism or shunning human contact. Non-attachment comes from the wisdom that nothing is truly separate.

Nije bas odgovor kakav bi dao vladicanski comrade Dabovic, ali nije ni los. Haidtova knjiga je 1 zanimljiv pokus povezivanja moderne eksperimentalne psihologije sa mudrostima iz starina (pre svega Buddhom i stoicima). Edited January 16, 2012 by Indy

[Аврам Гојић]

zanima me ova studija, mada uviđam, barem u recenziji, 1 greškicu u tumačenju budističkog učenja. disocijacija od sveta kod Bude nije bežanje od njega, već neprianjanje za ego i za sopstvene plodonosne delatnosti. budistički monah koji se samospaljuje na Tibetu teško da je pokazao stanje koje autor opisuje kao "acceptance and a disassociation from things in the external world", a mnogi budisti na Zapadu aktivno učestvuju u poslovima zajednice koje smatraju relevantnim za čovekovo stanje, kao što je, na primer, briga o umirućima. čini mi se da, barem u ovoj recenziji, ovde vidim tragove Šopenhauerovog shvatanja budizma kao otupljujuće filozofije.

[Gonzo]

drago mi je da je topik živnuo, da vidim tračak svetlosti u sveopštoj dekadenciji koja je zahvatila bord. ako gospoda dozvoljavaju, samo da se nadovežem na vasudevin, dakako ispravan, komentar.taj gari haidt očigledno nije makao od potpuno površnog poznavanja budizma, pa otud izvlači i tako vulgarne zaključke, koji laiku mogu delovati revolucionarno. svako ko se malo više bavio gnozom™, zna da taj koncept koji je on opisao predstavlja jednu granu budizma, takozvani hinajana budizam (हीनयान), što bi u prevodu značilo inferiorno/defektno vozilo(sredstvo), defektno jer na pogrešan način tumači budu i smatra da je put do prosvetljenja onaj potpunog isključivanja od spoljašnjeg sveta, želja, čulnih nadražaja i misli, takoreći katatonija, koja proizvodi tzv. pratjeka bude, usamljene, privatne bude, bude za sebe, što je zapravo (i paradoksalno) savršeno suptilan, do krajnjih granica doveden egocentrizam, vrhunac duhovne stranputice, a.k.a. siddhija.nasuprot ovog učenja, imamo mahajana budizam, u kojem je pravo prosvetljenje ono u kojem tragalac™ u trenutku kad kroz neuspehe na mnogobrojnim koanima kroz koje će ga provesti pravi guru uvidi da ne postoji mogućnost da se kontroliše želja (jer je i želja da se ne želi zapravo želja) i shvati da ne postoji prosvetljenje izvan mesta i trenutka u kome se nalazite. u tom momentu, on postaje bodisatva, i shvata da je jedini način da živi svoje prosvetljenje taj da se vrati u ovu našu svakodnevicu, sa svojim radostima i nesrećama, vrlinama i porocima, ljubavima i ratovima, rađanjima i ubistvima, kurvama i svecima, i svim ostalim tzv. dobrim i lošim pojavama. sve je to zapravo nirvana, kanon sa svojih hiljadu ruku.za kraj, nešto što slušam ovih dana, s.janaki mantra agnidevi

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[Аврам Гојић]

preostro si ocenio pratjekabude :) oni su, siroti, cvetovi na bunjistu, nemaju sanghu i ne umeju da prenesu dharmu. ali da, moze se to nazvati uslovljenim egoizmom. a ovaj gospon Haidt, polemisuci sa budizmom koji, cini se, jako voli, dolazi i sam do osnovnih koncepata mahajane.

[Gonzo]

fakat, dalek put oni moraju da pređu do tog momenta, ali me baš nervira ta slabost i slepilo kad ti fali još tako malo da prelomiš. nekako mi ostaje ukus kukavičkog eskapizma i elitizma u ustima. više je u nirvani, iako to ne zna, tupavi pauper uronjen u sva prijanjanja ovog sveta nego oni.

[Indy]

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[Gonzo]

kul, stoji što kaže vasu da sam preoštar, cenim sve valjane pokušaje da se ljudima približi ta veoma prosta priča, ali u isto vreme, baš zato što je jako prosto, nervira me svaka nepotrebna mistifikacija i komplikovanje, pa mi je postao veoma blizak ne-guruovski pristup u stilu u.g. krišnamurtija, koji sve tražioce za smislom, prosvetljenjem, nirvanom i sl, tera u kurac i savetuje da se manu ćorava posla. sve je tu kako jeste, i ne treba nam ništa više.

I don't give a hoot for a sixth-century B.C. Buddha, let alone all the other claimants we have in our midst. They are a bunch of exploiters, thriving on the gullibility of the people.

The body is not interested in anything you are interested in. And that is the battle that is going on all the time.

The questioner is nothing but the answers. That is really the problem. We are not ready to accept this answer because it will put an end to the answers which we have accepted for ages as the real answers.

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[Indy]

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[Gonzo]

ne vidim na koji način cinizam znači solupsizam, osamljivanje i odsustvo interesa za tuđu patnju. naprotiv, nekad je biti ciničan način da se čovek odlepi od viših™ ciljeva, bilo to ideologije, bio to spiritualizam, i postane malo više svestan svojih realnih potreba i problema, i realnih potreba i problema onih oko njega, pa opet dođe do činjenja i davanja za druge.a i na primerima iz sopstvenog RL često sam imao priliku da se uverim da su najveći namćori i cinici zapravo spremni mnogo više da urade za bližnjeg svog, od onih kojima su puna usta solidarnosti, pomaganja i sl.opet, ne kažem jedno je ispravno, drugo nije, hoću samo da kažem da to pomaganje čoveku može biti samo ugroženo prevelikim idejama, bilo ideološkim, bilo spiritualnim. i uvek mora biti sa svešću da nikad neće (do kraja) uspeti, što nikako ne znači da treba odustati, ali postavlja stvari na mnogo zdravije osnove.

I may sound very cynical, but a cynic is really a realist. Cynicism will help you to have a healthy look at the way things are going on in the world.

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[Indy]

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[Gonzo]

pa niko ne traži da veruješ.

[Indy]

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[Indy]

Vreme da se ponovo procita Biblija. Ovoga puta na lolspeaku.Genesis 1Boreded Ceiling Cat makinkgz Urf n stuffs1 Oh hai. In teh beginnin Ceiling Cat maded teh skiez An da Urfs, but he did not eated dem.2 Da Urfs no had shapez An haded dark face, An Ceiling Cat rode invisible bike over teh waterz.3 At start, no has lyte. An Ceiling Cat sayz, i can haz lite? An lite wuz.4 An Ceiling Cat sawed teh lite, to seez stuffs, An splitted teh lite from dark but taht wuz ok cuz kittehs can see in teh dark An not tripz over nethin.5 An Ceiling Cat sayed light Day An dark no Day. It were FURST!!!16 An Ceiling Cat sayed, im in ur waterz makin a ceiling. But he no yet make a ur. An he maded a hole in teh Ceiling.7 An Ceiling Cat doed teh skiez with waterz down An waterz up. It happen.8 An Ceiling Cat sayed, i can has teh firmmint wich iz funny bibel naim 4 ceiling, so wuz teh twoth day.9 An Ceiling Cat gotted all teh waterz in ur base, An Ceiling Cat hadz dry placez cuz kittehs DO NOT WANT get wet.10 An Ceiling Cat called no waterz urth and waters oshun. Iz good.//// EDIT ^_^ Psalm 11 Blessid iz da feline no walk in counsil of wickid, no place paws in path of da sinnerz, no sit and purr with da mockerz.2 But der delightz in lawz of Ceiling Cat, an ponderz much.3 Tehy liek treez bai teh waterz, dat yieldz teh good fr00tz. Leef duzn't wither, prosperz much.4 Not so teh wickid, dey like chaffz pwnt by windz.5 Derefor wickid doezn't standz in teh judgemint, or sinnerz in assembly of teh rhytchus.6 Ceiling cat watches over whey of teh rhytchus, whey of wickid getz pwnt.

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[Sir Oliver]

preostro si ocenio pratjekabude :) oni su, siroti, cvetovi na bunjistu, nemaju sanghu i ne umeju da prenesu dharmu. ali da, moze se to nazvati uslovljenim egoizmom.

..hmm, čitao si The Paccekabuddha; A buddhist Ascetic by Ria Kloppenborg, u kojojpaccekabuddhe naziva ''second only to the Buddha'' ? Edited May 26, 2012 by Sir Oliver