Svetska Kriza 2008-....

[fonTelefon]

Smanjuje se vertikalana drustvena promocija u svim razvijenim drustvima.

[Agni]

Da, i to. Pre nekoliko godina heritage foundation je objavio uporednu studiju o "vertikalnoj pokretljivosti" u zapadnim drustvima sa tim zakljuckom. Zanimljiv je bio podatak da je drustvene promocije najmanje u zemljama sa najliberalnijom ekonomijom (u USA manje nego u Evropi, a medju evropskim drzavama najmanje vertikalne pokretljivosti bilo je u UK).

[MayDay]

Najbolje od svega je što si ranije imao nekakav trade off, u smislu da u ekonomski liberalnijim društvima si mogao lakše da se uzdigneš na dohodovnoj lestvici, ali na uštrb društvene zaštite. Tipa, u Francuskoj je društvena pokretljivost ka najvišim slojevima gotovo nemoguća. Medjutim, danas je Danska waaaay above US u pogledu društvene pokretljivosti.Stiglitz u poslednje vreme non stop piše o ovom preokretu.

[Indy]

heritage foundation

Njima ne treba verovati ni istinu kad govore (ako se to ikad desava).Inace, trebalo bi da neko* od umnih glava studira i pokretljivost ka najnizim slojevima. I to je vertikala. I pad je let.*Osim Barbare Ehrenreich, sto je vise zurnalizam ionako. Edited March 3, 2013 by Indy

[Agni]

Njima ne treba verovati ni istinu kad govore (ako se to ikad desava).Inace, trebalo bi da neko* od umnih glava studira i pokretljivost ka najnizim slojevima. I to je vertikala. I pad je let.*Osim Barbare Ehrenreich, sto je vise zurnalizam ionako.

Slazem se za heritage, ali bilo je za ocekivati da lazima hvale najliberalnije ekonomije, ne da pokazu da one dozvoljavaju manje vertikalne pokretljivosti od evropskih soc-demokratija (btw, pokretljivost ka dole jeste uracunata u vertikalnu pokretljivost - u heritage studiji populaciju su na osnovu primanja podelili na kvantile (ili decile, nisam vise siguran) pa su onda odredili ukupan procenat stanovnika koji su u odredjenom periodu presli iz jednog kvantila u drugi, ka gore ili ka dole).

[Anduril]

Verovanje da su recimo UK a posebno SAD liberalnije (ekonomije) od recimo jedne Danske je upravo to - verovanje i nista vise.

[fonTelefon]

Pomenu Andruil da "Nisam siguran za Kipar, ali u Grckoj ili recimo Italiji je nivo stednje i uopste privatne svojine prilicno visok (ne tako daleko od Nemacke a dosta vise od mnogo "bogatijih" drzava) u odnosu na katastrofalno stanje u drzavi i administraciji."Zapravo po dostupnim podacima Credit Suisse Nemci su siromasni banditi koji hvataju na snagu, velicina prosecnog uloga u bankama je daleko manja nego u francuskoj i italiji, medijana bogatstva familija je daleko veca u ovim zemljama, a i broj milijunasa, a podaci koliko procenata nemci ostavljaju na stranu i vrednost bankarskih uloga i finasijskih aseta se debelo ne slazu. Nemacki krupni kapital tu sve diktira. Nivo stednje u Italiji po kolicini novca znatno premasuje Nemacki.

[fonTelefon]

Rezultati taktike seci usi krpi dupe Super Maria. Kipar je samo demonstrativni napad sto bi se reklo u vojnoj terminologiji.Italy sharply hiked its fiscal deficit targets for this year on Thursday and announced it would raise debt by 40 billion euros in 2013 and 2014 to inject much-needed liquidity into its recession-hit economy.The new targets reflect Italy's difficulties in consolidating its finances, with its debt continuing to climb despite waves of austerity measures over the last two years.They will give some breathing space for whoever replaces outgoing technocrat Prime Minister Mario Monti following an election last month that produced no clear winner but saw voters roundly reject Monti's austerity medicine.The main parties are deadlocked over how to form a government but they all now agree that austerity has only exacerbated Italy's problems and cannot be seen as a cure.Vittorio Grilli, economy minister in Monti's caretaker cabinet, told reporters the economy would contract by 1.3 percent this year, compared with a previous forecast of -0.2 percent.The 2013 fiscal deficit will come in at 2.9 percent of output, up from a previous target of 1.8 percent, Grilli said, partly reflecting the worsened economic outlook and partly to allow the payment of government debts to private firms.The 2014 target was raised more modestly, to 1.7 percent of gross domestic product from 1.5 percent.Last year's deficit was 3.0 percent of GDP, just inside the European Union's fiscal ceiling.When Monti took office in November 2011 he pledged to completely eliminate the deficit in 2013.DEBT HIKE"We will increase debt by 20 billion euros in 2013 and 20 billion euros in 2014," Grilli told a news conference.He said he hoped the injection of liquidity would help the economy recover and thus curb potential increases in the debt to GDP ratio, which last year hit an all-time high of 127 percent, the second highest in the euro zone after Greece.He offered no new debt to GDP target for 2013 to replace the current goal of 126.1 percent.A government statement said this liquidity would be used to ease spending limits for local authorities, improve funding for the health service and co-finance projects sponsored by the EU.Italy's benchmark bond yields rose briefly when the new targets were announced, with the spread compared with safer German bunds climbing to around 3.26 percentage points from 3.23, before falling back again.Since Monti's technocrats took office at the height of the euro zone debt crisis in 2011, the government has repeatedly cut its forecasts for growth and hiked its deficit and debt targets.The latest GDP forecast for this year also risks being over-optimistic.When Fitch cut Italy's credit rating this month it forecast economic output would contract by 1.8 percent in 2013, and Barclays Capital and several other large banks have recently cut their forecasts to around the same level."I think the new GDP forecast is still behind the curve. We expect a growth contraction of around 1.7 percent," said Raj Badiani of IHS Global Insight. "We are seeing fiscal slippage and I think Italy will face a real challenge to keep the deficit below 3 percent of GDP this year."The 2012 deficit, originally targeted at 1.6 percent, finally came in right on the EU's 3 percent limit, while the debt to GDP ratio of 127 percent was some 4 percentage points higher than originally targeted.Grilli forecast that the economy would recovery in 2014, posting positive growth of 1.3 percent, slightly higher than the previous forecast of 1.1 percent.

[noskich]

[noskich]

Dokumentarac koji nikako ne sme da se propusti. Ovo je obavezno stivo.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y888wVY5hzw

[Ariel]

Evo još obaveznog štiva. Mat Taibi opet raskiva keve bankarima.http://www.rollingst...0425?print=trueedit: koji hajlajt jeboteSWISS FRANC TRADER: can u put 6m swiss libor in low pls?... PRIMARY SUBMITTER: Whats it worth SWSISS FRANC TRADER: ive got some sushi rolls from yesterday?... PRIMARY SUBMITTER: ok low 6m, just for u SWISS FRANC TRADER: wooooooohooooooo. . . thatd be awesome

Edited April 29, 2013 by Ariel

[noskich]

Ovo je vec bajata vest, ali i dalje strahovito znacajna jer je potvrdjena i preneta u svim mainstream medijima: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/11/us-hsbc-probe-idUSBRE8BA05M20121211U principu to znaci: mozes da krsis zakon koliko god hoces, ako nama das deo plena. Ogoljena simbioza kriminaliteta drzave i finansijskog sektora.

[noskich]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/wall_st_criminal_behavior_Rg3GqOXPwjJqrYFWV0tyEJ

[Budja]

Mejdejka, vidim da Krugi likuje kako stampanje para nije uzrokovlao inflaciju i da je to potvrda Kejnsa?Mene zanima da li je razlika u odnosu na sedamdesete veca integrisanost trzista pa je poplava likvidnosti otisla sto u domace hartije od vrednosti (videti Dow) sto u inostrane (videti Mladju) a ne u proizvode i usluge.Imas li ideju po tom pitanju?

[noskich]

Mejdejka, vidim da Krugi likuje kako stampanje para nije uzrokovlao inflaciju i da je to potvrda Kejnsa?

Samo na ovoj strani teme imas dovoljno dokaza o friziranju cena svega, pa time i inflacije. Diskrepanca realne i zvanicne stope inflacije je jedno objasnjenje. Drugo je vec pomenuto friziranje. Krpi se brod na sve strane da ne procuri, ali nece moci doveka.