Gender identity

[Dnaralaske]

Sta je jaci virtue signaling, kad na forumu branis trans zene od desnicara ili kad na forumu branis zene od trans zena?

[vememah]

 

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Joint Paris 2024 Boxing Unit/IOC Statement

3 min read | Published on 01 August 2024

Every person has the right to practise sport without discrimination.

All athletes participating in the boxing tournament of the Olympic Games Paris 2024 comply with the competition’s eligibility and entry regulations, as well as all applicable medical regulations set by the Paris 2024 Boxing Unit (PBU) (please find all applicable rules here). As with previous Olympic boxing competitions, the gender and age of the athletes are based on their passport.

These rules also applied during the qualification period, including the boxing tournaments of the 2023 European Games, Asian Games, Pan American Games and Pacific Games, the ad hoc 2023 African qualifying tournament in Dakar (SEN) and two world qualifying tournaments held in Busto Arsizio (ITA) and Bangkok (THA) in 2024, which involved a total of 1,471 different boxers from 172 National Olympic Committees (NOCs), the Boxing Refugee Team and Individual Neutral Athletes, and featured over 2,000 qualification bouts.

The PBU used the Tokyo 2020 boxing rules as a baseline to develop its regulations for Paris 2024. This was to minimise the impact on athletes’ preparations and guarantee consistency between Olympic Games. These Tokyo 2020 rules were based on the post-Rio 2016 rules, which were in place before the suspension of the boxing International Federation by the IOC in 2019 and the subsequent withdrawal of its recognition in 2023.

We have seen in reports misleading information about two female athletes competing at the Olympic Games Paris 2024. The two athletes have been competing in international boxing competitions for many years in the women’s category, including the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020, International Boxing Association (IBA) World Championships and IBA-sanctioned tournaments.

These two athletes were the victims of a sudden and arbitrary decision by the IBA. Towards the end of the IBA World Championships in 2023, they were suddenly disqualified without any due process.

According to the IBA minutes available on their website, this decision was initially taken solely by the IBA Secretary General and CEO. The IBA Board only ratified it afterwards and only subsequently requested that a procedure to follow in similar cases in the future be established and reflected in the IBA Regulations. The minutes also say that the IBA should “establish a clear procedure on gender testing”.

The current aggression against these two athletes is based entirely on this arbitrary decision, which was taken without any proper procedure – especially considering that these athletes had been competing in top-level competition for many years.

Such an approach is contrary to good governance.

Eligibility rules should not be changed during ongoing competition, and any rule change must follow appropriate processes and should be based on scientific evidence.

The IOC is committed to protecting the human rights of all athletes participating in the Olympic Games as per the Olympic Charter, the IOC Code of Ethics and the IOC Strategic Framework on Human Rights. The IOC is saddened by the abuse that the two athletes are currently receiving.

The IBA’s recognition was withdrawn by the IOC in 2023 following its suspension in 2019. The withdrawal of recognition was confirmed by the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS). See the IOC’s statement following the ruling.

The IOC has made it clear that it needs National Boxing Federations to reach a consensus around a new International Federation in order for boxing to be included on the sports programme of the Olympic Games LA28.

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Edited August 1 by vememah

[Venom]

Hvala kurcu da još ima ljudi s kičmom koji će se suprotstaviti pobesneloj rulji. 

[mackenzie]

Kakvo odvratno saopstenje.

[mraki]

2 hours ago, Svemir Zeka said:

Ja sam ovaj 72. Svi rodovi...nakbolje sam se osećala u rodu koji je povezan s duhovima (54.)

Koji je ovo spektakl ahahhahaha.

[Weenie Pooh]

12 minutes ago, Dnaralaske said:

Sta je jaci virtue signaling, kad na forumu branis trans zene od desnicara ili kad na forumu branis zene od trans zena?

 

Može i jedno i drugo biti virtue signaling, zavisi od motivacije.

 

Kad motivacija nije navedena, ostaje nam da implicitno zaključimo da se radi o budalasto pozerskom "pogledajte kako sam ispravan" stavu koji nigde ne vodi.

 

Kad je motivacija navedena i temeljno argumentovana - npr. u mom slučaju jačanje klasne svesti kroz odbacivanje identitetskih fantazama - onda sa tom tezom možeš da izraziš slaganje ili neslaganje, ali ne možeš prosto da je zameniš nečim sasvim drugim jer ti je tako lakše.

 

 

[vememah]

 

[mackenzie]

Prejako mi je ovo. Glavni dokaz da je neko zensko je neka zaokruzena djecija slika, kao vidi obucena je kao djevojcica sto znaci da je zensko. Jel me neko zajebava?

[mraki]

Pa ko je rekao da je to glavno, valjda postoje i drugi testovi/dokazi da se to utvrdi?

Edited August 1 by mraki

[x500]

34 minutes ago, Weenie Pooh said:

 

Kapiram ja da se ti sprdaš, Kojotov virtue signaling bolje ni ne zaslužuje, ali ovo su verovao ili ne ipak ozbiljne teme.

 

Produbljivanje antagonizama na osnovi pola, roda, rase, i drugih identiteta je pogubno na duge staze, kako politički tako i kulturno.

 

Naravno da je ozbiljna tema - osaba XY se takmici u kategoriji osoba XX. 

Ako je to uredu, onda ne vidim sta je problem da se sve osobe XY i XX takmice zajedno.

 

[Weenie Pooh]

3 minutes ago, mackenzie said:

Prejako mi je ovo. Glavni dokaz da je neko zensko je neka zaokruzena djecija slika, kao vidi obucena je kao djevojcica sto znaci da je zensko. Jel me neko zajebava?

 

Ne mora se dokazivati da li je neko žensko ili muško u kontekstu sportskih takmičenja, dovoljno je zacrtati jasne kriterijume učešća. Neke organizacije mogu da traže DNK test, neke merenje nivoa testosterona, a nekima je dosta da pogledaju šta ti piše u pasošu.

 

Slikama se dokazuje ženskost™ samo u kontekstu javnog diskursa, tj. pretpostavke da se radi o trans osobi - da se rodila, odrasla, i telesno formirala kao muškarac, pa naknadno odlučila da se proglasi za ženu i krene da osvaja nagrade zahvaljujući fizičkoj superiornosti.

 

To ovde nije slučaj, znači potpuno je irelevantan njen proizvoljni rodni identitet. Jedino je relevantna fizička prednost koju joj je genetski poremećaj pružio u odnosu na ostale takmičarke. Kao što vidiš, IOC smatra da je sve u redu dok IBA smatra da nije. 

 

Stvar procene i primene pravila. Kome se pravila ne sviđaju, može da pokuša da ih menja.

[zorglub]

3 minutes ago, mraki said:

Pa ko je rekao da je to glavno, valjda postoje i drugi testovi/dokazi da se to utvrdi?

 

Postoje, ali ruskom predsedniku bokserske federacije se izgleda ne veruje, a novi testovi očigledno nisu potrebni, presveti i bezgrešni IOC rekao da si ono što ti piše na pasošu, tačka.

[Shan Jan]

IOC i IBA otprilike na nivou pravljenja drame u WWE  

[Venom]

Hvala Olimpijskom Komitetu i na ovom sočnom detalju o tome kako je došlo do zabrane prošle godine. Ćef dva visoka funkcionera koji na svoju ruku odlučuju šta je normalno i šta može i onda uvrću ruku ostatku organizacije da izglasa šta su oni odlučili. Hvala, ali ne želim da živim u njihovom svetu.

 

According to the IBA minutes available on their website, this decision was initially taken solely by the IBA Secretary General and CEO. The IBA Board only ratified it afterwards and only subsequently requested that a procedure to follow in similar cases in the future be established and reflected in the IBA Regulations.

[mackenzie]

13 minutes ago, Weenie Pooh said:

Slikama se dokazuje ženskost™ samo u kontekstu javnog diskursa, tj. pretpostavke da se radi o trans osobi - da se rodila, odrasla, i telesno formirala kao muškarac, pa naknadno odlučila da se proglasi za ženu i krene da osvaja nagrade zahvaljujući fizičkoj superiornosti.

 

Ja i dalje ne shvatam, znaci stavim snalu u kosu znaci da sam zensko, stavim sesir na glavu znaci da sam musko - po rodnoj zapadnjackoj ideologiji. Jel nesto propustam?