Gender identity

[vememah]

 

 

 

 

 

 

[zorglub]

36 minutes ago, Venom said:

da si umesto a? otišao na Wikipediu video bi da je to atletičarka čiji je pol bio sporan i koja jedno vreme nije mogla da se takmiči. Ima ženski polni organ ali istovremeno i visok nivo testosterona, nema matericu, ni menstruaciju. 

 

Na wikipediji piše ovo:

 

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Although Semenya was assigned female at birth,[18][19] she has the intersex condition 5α-Reductase 2 deficiency (5-ARD).[10][11][18] This condition only affects genetic males with XY chromosomes. Individuals with 5-ARD have normal male internal structures that are not fully masculinised during the development of the reproductive system in utero, due to low levels of the hormone dihydrotestosterone (DHT). As a result, the external genitalia may appear ambiguous or female at birth.[20][21][22]

 

Edited August 1 by zorglub

[Mindaugas Žukauskas]

18 minutes ago, arheolog1981 said:

Videćemo, ja cenim da nijedna na OI neće biti ni blizu... jebeš ostala kekec takmičenja. Kako udara ono je neverovatno, alal joj kurac™

 

Dok god ne udara protivnice kurcem, ja bih je pustio da igra

[Svemir Zeka]

Ne, nego napraviti novu kategoriju "taj i taj sport za trans žene"

[Venom]

10 minutes ago, Svemir Zeka said:

Ne, nego napraviti novu kategoriju "taj i taj sport za trans žene"

 

Ovo nije trans žena.

[arheolog1981]

11 minutes ago, zorglub said:

 

Na wikipediji piše ovo:

 

 

Jako je to teška priča sa Kaster Semenjom. Ona nije birala kako će da se rodi. Onaj debeli dizač tegova što se setio da će lakše u ženskoj konkurenciji duzme medalju i koji je učestvovao na prošlim igrama i slavno propao ili onaj plivač iz Amerike koji se skida pred devojkama a ima kiticu... e to ko je dozvolio treba mu grebati mater.

A svetska atletska federacija prvo neka skupi muda pa neka poništi svetske rekorde baba kurana Marite Koh na 400m i Jarmile Kratofilove na 800m stare po 40 godina. U Istočnoj Nemačkoj se nisi mogao takmičiti ako nisi hteo da uzimaš vitaminčiće™ a šilje patku na Kaster i prave još veći pakao od odveć paklenog života 

[Weenie Pooh]

Meni je fascinantno da gomila vas piše "osobi koja je XY", kao da je to indikator retkog intersex stanja  

 

Ne znam da li mislite da žene imaju XX a muškarci YY par pa ovo ispada neki hibrid, ali to jednostavno nije slučaj.

 

Osobe sa XY hromozomima su po definiciji muškarci. Bukvalno svaki muškarac ikad rođen ima XY kombinaciju hromozoma.

[zorglub]

6 minutes ago, arheolog1981 said:

Jako je to teška priča sa Kaster Semenjom. Ona nije birala kako će da se rodi.

 

Nisam ni rekao, nije ona kriva što je biologija u njenom slučaju skrenula levo kod Albukerkija.

[x500]

25 minutes ago, Svemir Zeka said:

Ne, nego napraviti novu kategoriju "taj i taj sport za trans žene"

Zato treba napraviti samo jednu kategoriju - takmicenje medju ljudima. Plus, treba napraviti jedan sport. Dokle vise podele na plivanje, trcanje, fudbal, boks. 

Recimo kosarkas koji se povremeno oseti kao fudbalerka i ima zelju da malo sutne loptu. Zasto sputavati i ogranicavati potrebe ?!

 

Jedan sport za sve ljude

 

[Weenie Pooh]

1 minute ago, x500 said:

Zato treba napraviti samo jednu kategoriju - takmicenje medju ljudima. Plus, treba napraviti jedan sport. Dokle vise podele na plivanje, trcanje, fudbal, boks. 

Recimo kosarkas koji se povremeno oseti kao fudbalerka i ima zelju da malo sutne loptu. Zasto sputavati i ogranicavati potrebe ?!

 

Jedan sport za sve ljude

 

Drugim rečima, ukinuti ženama pravo da se bave sportom.

 

Sounds legit.

[BWA]

41 minutes ago, arheolog1981 said:

Onaj debeli dizač tegova što se setio da će lakše u ženskoj konkurenciji duzme medalju i koji je učestvovao na prošlim igrama i slavno propao

Šta, nije uzeo medalju?

[vememah]

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Statement made by the International Boxing Association regarding Athletes Disqualifications in World Boxing Championships 2023
July 31st, 2024 / IBA
As stated, the International Boxing Association (IBA) feels it appropriate at this prevalent time, to address recent media statements regarding those athletes Lin Yu-ting and Imane Khelif, particularly regarding their participation in the Paris Olympic Games 2024.

We wish to make the following points in these regards:

On 24 March 2023, IBA disqualified athletes Lin Yu-ting and Imane Khelif from the IBA Women’s World Boxing Championships New Delhi 2023. This disqualification was a result of their failure to meet the eligibility criteria for participating in the women’s competition, as set and laid out in the IBA Regulations. This decision, made after a meticulous review, was extremely important and necessary to uphold the level of fairness and utmost integrity of the competition.

Point to note, the athletes did not undergo a testosterone examination but were subject to a separate and recognized test, whereby the specifics remain confidential. This test conclusively indicated that both athletes did not meet the required necessary eligibility criteria and were found to have competitive advantages over other female competitors.

The decision made by IBA on 24 March 2023, was subsequently ratified by the IBA Board of Directors on 25 March 2023. The official record of this decision can be accessed on the IBA website here IBA Board of Directors Meeting Minutes.

The disqualification was based on two tests conducted on both athletes as follows:

Test performed during the IBA Women’s World Boxing Championships in Istanbul 2022 [results were received only upon conclusion of the event, hence the athletes were not disqualified back then]. 
Test performed during the IBA Women’s World Boxing Championships in New Delhi 2023.
For clarification

Lin Yu-ting did not appeal the IBA’s decision to the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS), thus rendering the decision legally binding.
Imane Khelif initially appealed the decision to CAS but withdrew the appeal during the process, also making the IBA decision legally binding.
Our Committees have rigorously reviewed and endorsed the decision made during the World Championships. While IBA remains committed to ensuring competitive fairness in all of our events, we express concern over the inconsistent application of eligibility criteria by other sporting organizations, including those overseeing the Olympic Games. The IOC’s differing regulations on these matters, in which IBA is not involved, raise serious questions about both competitive fairness and athletes’ safety.

For clarification on why the IOC permits athletes with competitive advantages to compete in their events, we urge interested parties to seek answers directly from the IOC.

Yours sincerely,

International Boxing Association

https://www.iba.sport/news/statement-made-by-the-international-boxing-association-regarding-athletes-disqualifications-in-world-boxing-championships-2023/

Edited August 1 by vememah

[x500]

1 hour ago, Weenie Pooh said:

 

Drugim rečima, ukinuti ženama pravo da se bave sportom.

 

Sounds legit.

Daleko bilo.

 

Vidis da desnicari osporavaju pravo osobe sa XY da se takmici sa osobama XX. 

Ovako lepo, ako se svi zajedno takmice onda nije bitno da li je XY ili XX

 

Ok, postoji jedna kvaka, gde je tu pravo osoba XX da se takmice u svojoj kategoriji, samo sa XX osobama. Ali i to je desnicarska propaganda

 

[Weenie Pooh]

22 minutes ago, x500 said:

Daleko bilo.

 

Vidis da desnicari osporavaju pravo osobe sa XY da se takmici sa osobama XX. 

Ovako lepo, ako se svi zajedno takmice onda nije bitno da li je XY ili XX

 

Ok, postoji jedna kvaka, gde je tu pravo osoba XX da se takmice u svojoj kategoriji, samo sa XX osobama. Ali i to je desnicarska propaganda

 

Kapiram ja da se ti sprdaš, Kojotov virtue signaling bolje ni ne zaslužuje, ali ovo su verovao ili ne ipak ozbiljne teme.

 

Produbljivanje antagonizama na osnovi pola, roda, rase, i drugih identiteta je pogubno na duge staze, kako politički tako i kulturno.

 

[Shan Jan]

Zenski sport i postoji (uglavnom) jer bi muskarci non stop pobedjivali u tim kategorijama. Mislim da je tu razlika izmedju "prednost je kad je neko u zenskoj kosarci visi" i "prednost je kad je neko u zenskoj kosarci - vise musko nego druge takmicarke".

 

Takodje, ucestvovanje u sportskom takmicenju nije osnovno ljudsko pravo. Iz nekog razloga se to podmece u ovakvim slucajevima. Takodje, niko se nikad nije bunio kad su osobe koje nisu klasicna definicija muskarca ili zene, hteli da se takmice u muskim takmicenjima. Pitam se zasto...

 

Za Semenju bi bilo mnogo znacajnije da je drustvo u kome je odrasla inkluzivnije nego da li joj je dozvoljeno da se takmici sa zenama ili ne.