Coronavirus Covid-19 - opšta tema

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Evo sta kaze kolega iz engleske. 

 

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They hardly test anyone here, except severe cases in hospital.

I know at least a dozen people by now who have had symptoms and almost had it, and none of them was tested. Deaths vs closed cases is also misleading in the early part of the epidemic - the UK is only just starting with the really steep rise in cases. They only test people in hospitals, who take many weeks to recover, whereas they die much more quickly. That further inflates the number of deaths compared to recoveries. So these statistics are really quite useless.

The only part likely to be reasonably reliable is the figure for deaths, and the only important thing you can read from that is the pattern of transmission 2-4 weeks ago.

 

[vememah]

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Edited April 5, 2020 by vememah

[bejzbolka]

Novosti objavile informaciju od pre 2 meseca kao ekskluzivu
http://www.novosti.rs/vesti/planeta.299.html:857479-Profesor-sa-Harvarda-NAPRAVIO-I-PRODAO-KORONA-VIRUS-Kini-FBI-u-velikoj-akciji-uhapsio-strucnjaka-i-jos-dva-Kineza-VIDEO

 

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/harvard-university-professor-and-two-chinese-nationals-charged-three-separate-china-related

[Desmond Bojčinski]

Kad su izbori u Šveckoj i hoće li bude atomski zdesna?

[Delija67]

1 hour ago, vememah said:

https://www.gov.si/teme/koronavirus/

 

Pritom Slovenija ima 13.000 testiranih na milion stanovnika, a mi 700.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_testing

Od 29. marta crtaju Triglav

[theanswer]

1 hour ago, Кристофер Лумумбо said:

Slovenija samo 20 danas, neverovatan uspeh 

 

Pogotovo kad se uzme u obzir blizina Italije, stvarno uspeh. 

[Tolaa]

37 minutes ago, desboj said:

Kad su izbori u Šveckoj i hoće li bude atomski zdesna?

Za dve ipo godine. A po poslednjim istraživanjima ove i prošle nedelje desničari padaju prvi put posle dužeg vremena, a vladajuća partija raste. Mnogo više ostatak sveta drami oko švedskih mera nego Švedjani sami. 

[Facundo Orellana]

Je l' ima neko objašnjenje za Iran? Osim onog standardnog da je stanovništvo relativno mlado ili žestoko šteluju podatke. Fino su zaravnali broj novih zaraženih i umrlih. Previše ovo dobro izgleda za populaciju 80 miliona u poređenju sa evropskim zemljama, zato im ne verujem ništa.

[theanswer]

3 minutes ago, Facundo Orellana said:

Je l' ima neko objašnjenje za Iran? Osim onog standardnog da je stanovništvo relativno mlado ili žestoko šteluju podatke. Fino su zaravnali broj novih zaraženih i umrlih. Previše ovo dobro izgleda za populaciju 80 miliona u poređenju sa evropskim zemljama, zato im ne verujem ništa.

 

Al ovo je klasična priča o državama o kojima se ovde zna samo kao o diktatorskim i sumnjivim za informacije najviše zahvaljujući propagandi koja nam se servira. Nema nikakvog razloga da verujemo da Iran sad u ovom momentu šteluje podatke. Možda na početku, ali sada... Zašto bi Iran štelovao podatke a ne bi recimo Srbija ili Hrvatska, mi smo kao demokratija za njih, civilizacija? 

[Tsai]

u pravu si, iran je demokratija u odnosu na nas

[bags]

Kako stvari stoje Kurz priprema ovde stanovnistvo na to da ove godine nece biti godisnjeg van Austrije. Samo ne znam kako ce zadrzati sve ove gajstose u zemlji....

 

Naravno, moze se ocekivati i da ce Alek uvesti iste mere. hehe

 

 

[vememah]

Malo zanimljivosti o Nemačkoj:

They call them corona taxis: Medics outfitted in protective gear, driving around the empty streets of Heidelberg to check on patients who are at home, five or six days into being sick with the coronavirus.

They take a blood test, looking for signs that a patient is about to go into a steep decline. They might suggest hospitalization, even to a patient who has only mild symptoms; the chances of surviving that decline are vastly improved by being in a hospital when it begins.

“There is this tipping point at the end of the first week,” said Prof. Hans-Georg Kräusslich, the head of virology at University Hospital in Heidelberg, one of Germany’s leading research hospitals. “If you are a person whose lungs might fail, that’s when you will start deteriorating.”

Heidelberg’s corona taxis are only one initiative in one city. But they illustrate a level of engagement and a commitment of public resources in fighting the epidemic that help explain one of the most intriguing puzzles of the pandemic: Why is Germany’s death rate so low?
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“The reason why we in Germany have so few deaths at the moment compared to the number of infected can be largely explained by the fact that we are doing an extremely large number of lab diagnoses,” said Dr. Christian Drosten, chief virologist at Charité, whose team developed the first test.

By now, Germany is conducting around 350,000 coronavirus tests a week, far more than any other European country. Early and widespread testing has allowed the authorities to slow the spread of the pandemic by isolating known cases while they are infectious. It has also enabled lifesaving treatment to be administered in a more timely way.

“When I have an early diagnosis and can treat patients early — for example put them on a ventilator before they deteriorate — the chance of survival is much higher,” Professor Kräusslich said.
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Before the coronavirus pandemic swept across Germany, University Hospital in Giessen had 173 intensive care beds equipped with ventilators. In recent weeks, the hospital scrambled to create an additional 40 beds and increased the staff that was on standby to work in intensive care by as much as 50 percent.

“We have so much capacity now we are accepting patients from Italy, Spain and France,” said Susanne Herold, a specialist in lung infections at the hospital who has overseen the restructuring. “We are very strong in the intensive care area.”

All across Germany, hospitals have expanded their intensive care capacities. And they started from a high level. In January, Germany had some 28,000 intensive care beds equipped with ventilators, or 34 per 100,000 people. By comparison, that rate is 12 in Italy and 7 in the Netherlands.

By now, there are 40,000 intensive care beds available in Germany.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-german-exception-why-the-countrys-coronavirus-death-rate-is-low/ar-BB129Xgp

[Ivo Petović]

Svaka im čast. 

[Facundo Orellana]

18 minutes ago, theanswer said:

 

Al ovo je klasična priča o državama o kojima se ovde zna samo kao o diktatorskim i sumnjivim za informacije najviše zahvaljujući propagandi koja nam se servira. Nema nikakvog razloga da verujemo da Iran sad u ovom momentu šteluje podatke. Možda na početku, ali sada... Zašto bi Iran štelovao podatke a ne bi recimo Srbija ili Hrvatska, mi smo kao demokratija za njih, civilizacija? 

Ne radi se ovde o prihvatanju nekakve propagande. Autokratske države su po svojoj prirodi sklonije prikrivanju  podataka, manje su transparentne, mehanizmi kontrole vlasti ne postoje. Naravno da ću biti skeptičan u pogledu njihovih podataka, posebno kada je tolika država u pitanju. Nisu precizni podaci ni mnogih demokratskih država, ali barem postoji kakva takva transparentnost. Mene ovde zanima da li imaju eventualno drugačiji pristup koji daje nekakve rezultate.

[theanswer]

1 minute ago, Facundo Orellana said:

Ne radi se ovde o prihvatanju nekakve propagande. Autokratske države su po svojoj prirodi sklonije prikrivanju  podataka, manje su transparentne, mehanizmi kontrole vlasti ne postoje. Naravno da ću biti skeptičan u pogledu njihovih podataka, posebno kada je tolika država u pitanju. Nisu precizni podaci ni mnogih demokratskih država, ali barem postoji kakva takva transparentnost. Mene ovde zanima da li imaju eventualno drugačiji pristup koji daje nekakve rezultate.

 

Nema drugačijeg pristupa nego je Iran bio drugo veliko svetsko žarište odmah iza Kine, red bi bio da se situacija tamo malo smiri, a smirila se u smislu toga da broj slučajeva i smrti ne raste više ili bar ne raste više ko što je rastao. Daleko je to tamo još od smirivanja. 

Edited April 5, 2020 by theanswer