Trump - hoće li biti impeachment ili 8 godina drugačijeg predsednikovanja?

[Eraserhead]

Uzas ne moze covek vise ni da seksualno napastvuje a da mu to ne izvuku. U zemlju pametnijih to tako ne ide.

 

Speaking publicly for the first time, Ford said that one summer in the early 1980s, Kavanaugh and a friend — both “stumbling drunk,” Ford alleges — corralled her into a bedroom during a gathering of teenagers at a house in Montgomery County. While his friend watched, she said, Kavanaugh pinned her to a bed on her back and groped her over her clothes, grinding his body against hers and clumsily attempting to pull off her one-piece bathing suit and the clothing she wore over it. When she tried to scream, she said, he put his hand over her mouth.
“I thought he might inadvertently kill me,” said Ford, now a 51-year-old research psychologist in northern California. “He was trying to attack me and remove my clothing.” Ford said she was able to escape when Kavanaugh’s friend and classmate at Georgetown Preparatory School, Mark Judge, jumped on top of them, sending all three tumbling. She said she ran from the room, briefly locked herself in a bathroom and then fled the house.
Ford said she told no one of the incident in any detail until 2012, when she was in couples therapy with her husband. The therapist’s notes, portions of which were provided by Ford and reviewed by The Washington Post, do not mention Kavanaugh’s name but say she reported that she was attacked by students “from an elitist boys’ school” who went on to become “highly respected and high-ranking members of society in Washington.” The notes say four boys were involved, a discrepancy Ford says was an error on the therapist’s part. Ford said there were four boys at the party but only two in the room.

[theanswer]

dadada setila se sad, jos ima traume, kako da ne

[Krošek]

45 minutes ago, Eraserhead said:

Uzas ne moze covek vise ni da seksualno napastvuje a da mu to ne izvuku. U zemlju pametnijih to tako ne ide.

 

Speaking publicly for the first time, Ford said that one summer in the early 1980s, Kavanaugh and a friend — both “stumbling drunk,” Ford alleges — corralled her into a bedroom during a gathering of teenagers at a house in Montgomery County. While his friend watched, she said, Kavanaugh pinned her to a bed on her back and groped her over her clothes, grinding his body against hers and clumsily attempting to pull off her one-piece bathing suit and the clothing she wore over it. When she tried to scream, she said, he put his hand over her mouth.
“I thought he might inadvertently kill me,” said Ford, now a 51-year-old research psychologist in northern California. “He was trying to attack me and remove my clothing.” Ford said she was able to escape when Kavanaugh’s friend and classmate at Georgetown Preparatory School, Mark Judge, jumped on top of them, sending all three tumbling. She said she ran from the room, briefly locked herself in a bathroom and then fled the house.
Ford said she told no one of the incident in any detail until 2012, when she was in couples therapy with her husband. The therapist’s notes, portions of which were provided by Ford and reviewed by The Washington Post, do not mention Kavanaugh’s name but say she reported that she was attacked by students “from an elitist boys’ school” who went on to become “highly respected and high-ranking members of society in Washington.” The notes say four boys were involved, a discrepancy Ford says was an error on the therapist’s part. Ford said there were four boys at the party but only two in the room.

 

u beleskama nije oznacen kavana imenom

 

 

 

 

[Tsai]

1 hour ago, theanswer said:

dadada setila se sad, jos ima traume, kako da ne

 

pretpostavljam da isto mislis i o decacima/devojcicama/muskarcima koji progovore o zlostavljanju od strane svestenika nakon 10, 20 ili 30 godina

 

nisu te stvari za zezanje, a jos manje za te srbendske komentare. 

 

ako neko skupi hrabrost i raskrinka nesto, nije bitno koliko godina je proslo. bolje i tako nego da je zauvek gurnuto pod tepih

 

ne kazem, ima sigurno i zloupotreba, ali to manje bitno

[theanswer]

Nije ti na mestu poredjenje..

 

Covek je bio federalni sudija, pre toga na visokoj funkciji u Busovoj administraciji.. Malo je sumnjivo da ispliva u 11th hour

[Eraserhead]

Zena je imenom i prezimenom istupila a nije ga napala iz anonimnosti. Tako da se ne bi bas tako zajebavao s tim.

[Krošek]

ne. u pitanju je sramna orkestrirana anonimna denuncijacija koja se izjalovila jer je bila previse nepovoljna za politicare (vec su bile ograde da to nije metoo metodologija) i onda je prebaceno u klasican format. tesko sranje.

[theanswer]

3 hours ago, Eraserhead said:

Zena je imenom i prezimenom istupila a nije ga napala iz anonimnosti. Tako da se ne bi bas tako zajebavao s tim.

 

Prvo je bilo iz anonimnosti pa kad nije uspelo ajmo dalje. 

[Eraserhead]

Pa zar nije upravo taj izlazak iz anonimnosti znak da je ozbiljna?

[Miralem]

[Krošek]

1 hour ago, Eraserhead said:

Pa zar nije upravo taj izlazak iz anonimnosti znak da je ozbiljna?

 

tesko da moze tako da se gleda. malo je to ipak komplikovanije. wsj bord urednika je proizveo retko lucidan tekst za americku dnevnu stampu:

 

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The #MeToo Kavanaugh Ambush - WSJ

The woman accusing Brett Kavanaugh of a drunken assault when both were teenagers has now come forward publicly, and on Monday it caused Republicans to delay a confirmation vote and schedule another public hearing. Yet there is no way to confirm her story after 36 years, and to let it stop Mr. Kavanaugh’s confirmation would ratify what has all the earmarks of a calculated political ambush.

This is not to say Christine Blasey Ford isn’t sincere in what she remembers. In an interview published in the Washington Post on Sunday, Ms. Ford offered a few more details of the story she told anonymously starting in July. She says she was 15 when Mr. Kavanaugh, who would have been 17, and a male friend pushed her into a bedroom at a drinking party, held her down, and pawed her until the male friend jumped on them both and she escaped to a bathroom until the two boys left the room.

Mr. Kavanaugh denies all this “categorically and unequivocally,” and there is simply no way to prove it. The only witness to the event is Mr. Kavanaugh’s high school male friend, Mark Judge, who also says he recalls no such event. Ms. Ford concedes she told no one about it—not even a high school girl friend or family member—until 2012 when she told the story as part of couples therapy with her husband.

The vagaries of memory are well known, all the more so when they emerge in the cauldron of a therapy session to rescue a marriage. Experts know that human beings can come to believe firmly over the years that something happened when it never did or is based on partial truth. Mistaken identity is also possible.

The Post reports that the therapist’s notes from 2012 say there were four male assailants, but Ms. Ford says that was a mistake. Ms. Ford also can’t recall in whose home the alleged assault took place, how she got there, or how she got home that evening.

This is simply too distant and uncorroborated a story to warrant a new hearing or to delay a vote. We’ve heard from all three principals, and there are no other witnesses to call. Democrats will use Monday’s hearing as a political spectacle to coax Mr. Kavanaugh into looking defensive or angry, and to portray Republicans as anti-women. Odds are it will be a circus.

 

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The timing and details of how Ms. Ford came forward, and how her name was coaxed into public view, should also raise red flags about the partisan motives at play. The Post says Ms. Ford contacted the paper via a tip line in July but wanted to remain anonymous. She then brought her story to a Democratic official while still hoping to stay anonymous.

Yet she also then retained a lawyer, Debra Katz, who has a history of Democratic activism and spoke in public defense of Bill Clinton against the accusations by Paula Jones. Ms. Katz urged Ms. Ford to take a polygraph test. The Post says she passed the polygraph, though a polygraph merely shows that she believes the story she is telling.

The more relevant question is why go to such lengths if Ms. Ford really wanted her name to stay a secret? Even this weekend she could have chosen to remain anonymous. These are the actions of someone who was prepared to go public from the beginning if she had to.

The role of Senator Dianne Feinstein is also highly irregular and transparently political. The ranking Democrat on the Judiciary Committee knew about Ms. Ford’s accusations in late July or early August yet kept quiet. If she took it seriously, she had multiple opportunities to ask Judge Kavanaugh or have committee staff interview the principals. But in that event the details would have been vetted and Senators would have had time to assess their credibility.

Instead Ms. Feinstein waited until the day before a committee markup on the nomination to release a statement that she had “information” about the accusation and had sent it to the FBI. Her statement was a political stunt.

She was seeking to insulate herself from liberal charges that she sat on the letter. Or—and this seems increasingly likely given the course of events—Senator Feinstein was holding the story to spring at the last minute in the hope that events would play out as they have. Surely she knew that once word of the accusation was public, the press would pursue the story and Ms. Ford would be identified by name one way or another.

 

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Democrats waited until Ms. Ford went public to make public statements. But clearly some were feeding the names of Ms. Ford and her lawyer to the press, and now they are piling on what they hope will be an election-eve #MeToo conflagration.

“Senator [and Judiciary Chairman] Grassley must postpone the vote until, at a very minimum, these serious and credible allegations are thoroughly investigated,” declared Minority Leader Chuck Schumer on Sunday. “For too long, when women have made serious allegations of abuse, they have been ignored. That cannot happen in this case.”

His obvious political goal is to delay the confirmation vote past the election, fan the #MeToo political furies until then, and hope that at least two GOP Senators wilt under political pressure. If Republican Senators Jeff Flake and Bob Corker think a hearing will satisfy Mr. Schumer, they are right to retire from politics.

GOP Senators should understand that the political cost of defeating Mr. Kavanaugh will likely include the loss of the Senate. Democrats are already motivated to vote against Donald Trump, and if Republicans panic now their own voters will rightly be furious. They would be letting Democrats get away with the same dirty trick they tried and failed to pull off against Clarence Thomas.

It would also be a serious injustice to a man who has by all accounts other than Ms. Ford’s led a life of respect for women and the law. Every #MeToo miscreant is a repeat offender. The accusation against Mr. Kavanaugh is behavior manifested nowhere else in his life.

No one, including Donald Trump, needs to attack Ms. Ford. She believes what she believes. This is not he said-she said. This is a case of an alleged teenage encounter, partially recalled 30 years later without corroboration, and brought forward to ruin Mr. Kavanaugh’s reputation for partisan purposes.

Letting an accusation that is this old, this unsubstantiated and this procedurally irregular defeat Mr. Kavanaugh would also mean weaponizing every sexual assault allegation no matter the evidence. It will tarnish the #MeToo cause with the smear of partisanship, and it will unleash even greater polarizing furies.

 

[freakns]

vrlo cudna situacija... cak i da je istinita ne verujem da je Kavanaugh neki strasni sexualni napasnik, ali bi bilo sasvim dovoljno da mu skine nominaciju. interesantno je da su oboje na prvu pristali da svedoce pred komitetom. 

 

demokrate ce na sve nacine pokusati da sjebu ovo, i ja im ne zameram. nakon smrti Scalie republikance je opusteno boleo kurac da propuste bilo sta do predsednickih izbora, pa su onda postavili Gorsucha, koji je sudija sa pogledima iz 14. veka. ako dodje  Kavanaugh, tek su onda najebali, jer je sud dobio dva relativno mlada clana izrazito konzervativnih pogleda(mada mi Gorsuch vise lici na klasicnog konzervativca, dok je Kavanaugh viise politicki obojen, klasican republikanac). dodaj da su dvoje najstarijih clanova iz demokrata i da nece jos dugo(Ruth Bader ima 85 godina, a i onaj drugi nije mnogo mladji), bice tu svasta...

 

ako demokrate uspeju da ospore Kavanaugha, onda imaju sanse da preuzmu senat(citam da imaju prednost u Zoni i Tennesseeju), tako da bi Trump bio prinudjen da izabere nekog moderate lika koji bi opet mogao da bude tas na vagi, kao sto je bio Kennedy kojeg ce zameniti(sto generalno i jeste najbolje za ceo USA pravni sistem) 

[Micko8]

Vole ameri dramu, sve je to dobro za show  biznis i tv rejting, ta saslusanja su  pravi holivudski cirkus, sluze da se malo   ispromovisu prdonje za mikrofonom.

Edited September 19, 2018 by Micko8

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[Budja]

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