hazard Posted May 16, 2019 Posted May 16, 2019 Could Nigel Farage end up rescuing - or even owning - the Tory Party? Dosta interesantno razmišljanje o budućem odnosu Konzervi i Brexit stranke
jms_uk Posted May 17, 2019 Author Posted May 17, 2019 I to je to za cross-party dogovore...Sent from my iTelephone using Tapatalk
Roger Sanchez Posted May 21, 2019 Posted May 21, 2019 (edited) Spoiler Edited May 21, 2019 by Roger Sanchez
Budja Posted May 24, 2019 Posted May 24, 2019 Nisam siguran kako moze da intepretira rezultate kako ih intepretira, ja ne mogu da uocim neki jassan pattern.
hazard Posted May 27, 2019 Posted May 27, 2019 Rezultati (VB samo, bez NI): Jasno Remain (LD + GRN + SNP* + CHUK + Plaid): 40,4% Jasno Leave (BRX + CON* + UKIP): 44% Ne zna se raspodela (LAB): 14,1% * - moguće je da se među SNPovcima krije poneki Leaver, a među CONovcima po neki Remainer
Budja Posted May 27, 2019 Posted May 27, 2019 (edited) A ako stavimo LAB i CON, onda je otprilike 55: 45. Sad, medju tih 23% combinovanih LAB i CON lezi zec. Bolji rezultati za Remain od ocekivanog, ali, uzevsi takodje u obzir da iako je izlaznost bila ok ona nije na nivou ni parlamentarnih izbora a daleko od referenduma 2016, sve je pata karte. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/27/remain-hard-brexit-what-uk-european-election-results-tell-us Quote 2. A narrow pro-remain lead is confirmed when Conservative and Labour votes are factored in Read more The merit of the first two approaches is that neither tries to take into account the dwindling numbers of Conservative and Labour voters, where it can be argued that both parties retain some support across the Brexit divide. But even so, remain comes out ahead. Various pollsters have come up with their own formula for how to account for those who stubbornly stuck to the traditional two main parties. Over the weekend Deborah Mattinson of Britain Thinks suggested Tory voters were 80% pro-leave and that a majority of Labour voters – 60% – supported remain. That yields 2.1 million more for leave composed of 1.2 million Conservativesand 938,000 Labour voters and 1.7 million more for remain made up from 302,000 Tories and 1.4 million for Jeremy Corbyn’s party. Applying that to the totals so far would produce 8m votes for leave and 8.4m to remain. Or to put that another way: 48% for leave and 51% for remain (the exclusion of minor parties is why the figures don’t add up to 100%): a narrow remain win by 478,000 votes. Edited May 27, 2019 by Budja
Budja Posted May 27, 2019 Posted May 27, 2019 Kakve su konsekvence? Konsekvence su da je soft brexit off the table. No Deal vs. Remain. Posto su CON MPs manje hard brexit od baze, a No Deal ne moze da prodje Parlament, vidimo se na izborima sa BoJo ili Raab vs. Neko iz Lab (moze da ne bude Korbin).
Budja Posted May 27, 2019 Posted May 27, 2019 (edited) Sto se generalnih izbora tice, obratiti paznju: Quote In the North East, Yorkshire and East of England constituencies, the Brexit party was dominant, winning in Newcastle, Sunderland, Hull, Leeds, Bradford and Sheffield. Ako su izbori Brexit izbori, s obzirom da London, cenim. nosi manje poslanika od ostatka (ne znam da li su izborne jedinice striktno proporcionalne), izborna mapa favorizuje Brexitase. Takodje, REM glasovi nisu dobro rasporedjeni, ako se gleda regionalna mapa izbora, Remainersi su rasturili u Londonu i Skotskoj, docim Brexitasi imaju prednost u ostatku. Rasturanje je dobro za referendum, ali bi za izbore korisnija bila bolja regionalna zastupljenost. Edited May 27, 2019 by Budja
hazard Posted May 27, 2019 Posted May 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Budja said: vidimo se na izborima sa BoJo ili Raab vs. Neko iz Lab (moze da ne bude Korbin). Ili BoJo/Raab vs. Jo Swinson iz LibDemsa. Ako Labour ne postane jasno pro-Remain ili bar pro-referendum, 2 najjače stranke na sledećim izborima biće Cons (tj. ERG+Brexit Party koalicija efektivno) i LibDems (kojima će se verovatno prišljamčiti CHUK na neki način - mislim da je utapanje realno)
Budja Posted May 27, 2019 Posted May 27, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, hazard said: Ili BoJo/Raab vs. Jo Swinson iz LibDemsa. Ako Labour ne postane jasno pro-Remain ili bar pro-referendum, 2 najjače stranke na sledećim izborima biće Cons (tj. ERG+Brexit Party koalicija efektivno) i LibDems (kojima će se verovatno prišljamčiti CHUK na neki način - mislim da je utapanje realno) LD nemaju sanse: Ode ceo Jorksir i severoistok u CON ili Brexit. Radnicka klasa ne glasa za LibDems. A bez tog severa nema sanse da se dobiju izbori. Rec je o tome da svaka podela glasova slabi izborne sanse, a takva podela je realno vise moguca na Remain strani (LD vs Lab) nego na Brexit (Farage vs Con, sa No Deal Con liderom). Ovde je mapa (ne znam kako da je zakacim): https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2019/may/26/european-election-latest-results-2019-uk-england-scotland-wales-ni-eu-parliament Edited May 27, 2019 by Budja
hazard Posted May 27, 2019 Posted May 27, 2019 Ako je tako kao što kažeš, onda je jedina šansa da Remain/ref2 snage pobede koalicija svih njih. Lab, LD, SNP, Plaid, CHUK, Green. To će moći samo preko mrtvog Korbina
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