BrExit?

[vememah]

FT tvrdi da razlog pogrešnih kvota pred referendum leži u tome što su remaineri uplaćivali daleko veće količine novca od leavera.
 

This was a betting market where the little guys won: At William Hill, 68 per cent of the money staked in the Brexit market was on ‘remain’, but 69 per cent of the individual bets were placed on ‘leave’.
The average stake on ‘remain’ was £400 at Ladbrokes, while the average stake on ‘leave’ was just £70, which heavily skewed the odds in favour of the status quo.

 

http://blogs.ft.com/westminster/liveblogs/2016-06-26/

[dillinger]

Zajebi, ovo stvarno ne sme da se prepusti Englezima i Nemcima.

 

Zato Keri zakiva, opet glas razuma preko bare, kome je vrlo moguće u biti i u interesu što brži i bezbolniji razlaz. 

[Ivo Petović]

Različiti nemački funkcioneri su do sad dali jedno 10 različitih izjava o tome šta činiti. Mrtva trka između njih i Engleza ko je neozbiljniji.

 

btw, ne vidim kako EU može da požuri Johnsona i društvo da pokrenu član 50, ako ovi to ne žele da urade brzo.

Edited June 26, 2016 by Ivo Petović

[Tribun_Populi]

btw, ne vidim kako EU može da požuri Johnsona i društvo da pokrenu član 50, ako ovi to ne žele da urade brzo.

 

Bilo.

[Prospero]

Ne mogu formalno da ga požure, požuriće ga nestabilna tržišta koja će pritiskati funtu i govoriti bankama da nastave sa pakovanjem iz Londona, možda i Kerijev stav i par suptilnih izjava s ove strane kanala
 
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Brexit: French and German trade groups urge EU unity
Published: 26 Jun 2016 09:05 GMT+02:00

Business groups in France and Germany on Sunday said EU nations should respond to Britain's decision to quit the bloc by working even more closely together to limit the "turbulence" caused by the Brexit shock.
 

In an joint appeal published in the French Journal du Dimanche, the heads of Germany's powerful BDI and BDA industry groups and the president of France's MEDEF employers' federation made the case for stronger political and economic cooperation.

"Europe must reunite, recover its confidence and go on the offensive," wrote the presidents of the three groups, Ulrich Grillo, Ingo Krame and Pierre Gattaz.

Noting that the outcome of Thursday's referendum in Britain had plunged the bloc into "an area of turbulence", the industry group leaders said the Franco-German motor of the European project was "more than ever indispensable... to regain its strength".

They urged the leaders of France and Germany to "solemnly remember their commitment to European values" and boost European cooperation on foreign policy and security, especially in the fight against terrorism.

 

They also called for "immediate, credible and visible measures to strengthen the governance" of the euro area and said their countries should pursue "national reforms to make our economies stronger and more competitive to assure the sustainability of our social model".

Turning to the looming Brexit negotiations, they said they hoped to "chart new ways of cooperating with Britain" but warned that it risked the loss of its cherished EU "financial passport", which allows financial institutions in one member state to operate across the bloc without having to set up shop locally.

Were it to be deprived of this privilege, Britain's London-based financial services industry could take a big hit as firms may be swayed to move their operations to financial centres on the continent.

[Tribun_Populi]

German, French ministers plan for 'strong Europe in uncertain world'

(Reuters) - The foreign ministers of Germany and France have drawn up a nine-page document entitled "A strong Europe in a world of uncertainties" in which they propose common European security and migration policies and strengthened economic convergence.

 

Acknowledging that the European Union is "being severely put to the test", Frank-Walter Steinmeier and Jean-Marc Ayrault said the bloc was challenged by a series of crises to its south and east while economic growth was on a slow recovery path. Work on the paper began before Britain voted on Thursday to quit the EU.

"Neither a simple call for more Europe nor a phase of mere reflection can be an adequate answer," Frank-Walter Steinmeier and Jean-Marc Ayrault said in the paper, a copy of which was seen by Reuters.

 

"To prevent the silent creeping erosion of our European project we have to be more focused on essentials and on meeting the concrete expectations of our citizens," they added.

 

The two ministers, whose countries are at the core of the EU, said it was important to recognize that member states had different appetites for deepening European integration.

 

"We have to find better ways of dealing with different levels of ambition so as to ensure that Europe delivers better on the expectations of all European citizens," they said.

To this end they proposed three initiatives:

 

1. A European Security Compact, under which:

- The EU should establish agreed strategic EU priorities for foreign and security policy and promote an integrated EU policy in these areas.

- Those EU member states willing to establish permanent structured cooperation in the field of defense should be able to do so in a flexible manner.

- If needed, EU member states should consider establishing standing maritime forces or acquiring EU-owned capabilities in other key areas.

2. A common European asylum and migration policy. The ministers said:

- We are determined that the EU should establish the world's first multinational border and coast guard.

- The EU must find a common answer to the rising number of migrants seeking to enter the EU for economic reasons.

- We will work to reduce push factors for irregular migration.

3. Fostering growth and completing the Economic and Monetary Union (EMU). The ministers said:

- To unlock growth and to increase the productivity of the European economy, a renewed effort for more investment, both private and public, is necessary.

- A deepening of EMU will not come as a big bang but as the result of a pragmatic and gradual evolution.

- An EMU fiscal capacity should start by 2018 at the latest to support investment in the member states most severely hit by the crisis.

(Reporting by Andreas Rinke; Writing by Paul Carrel; Editing by Janet Lawrence)

[Janko]

" and by gallant allies in Europe,"


sto ono rekose Irci :)

[Ivo Petović]

Ne mogu formalno da ga požure, požuriće ga nestabilna tržišta koja će pritiskati funtu i govoriti bankama da nastave sa pakovanjem iz Londona, možda i Kerijev stav i par suptilnih izjava s ove strane kanala

 

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To je jasno, ali te nesigurnosti će u svakom slučaju biti narednih par godina koliko će pregovori trajati, sve dok se ne pomoli opcija koja će biti dogovorena. Ali sam datum trigerovanja - pre mislim da će biti na jesen, kad se Torijevci malo konsoliduju, nego sad odmah. 

[Prospero]

Hmm, da, s tim da se za to vreme može pokrenuti neka od ovih "šalili smo se" opcija - bilo kroz skupštinu bilo kroz novi referendum bilo kroz nove izbore koji stvaraju novi demokratski legitimitet - a koja će biti novi šok za "sistem".

 

Potrebna je predvidljivost i preuzimanje čvrstih obaveza sada. Problem je što verovatno niko od UK političara nema taj kapacitet.

[Tribun_Populi]

Nešto ne verujem da će ih dugo čekati. Tetka je, po svemu sudeći, poprilično usamljena u svom mekanom stavu, čak i u odnosu na svoje koalicione partnere iz vlade. Dok su svi ostali zaoštrili retoriku, a Brisel ima plan čak i za opciju otezanja.

 

Namerili su se da ih išutiraju i sad im je šansa, sumnjam da će je propustiti.

[Gricko]

Raste pritisak. Četiri najveće frakcije u evropskom parlamentu (narodnjaci, soc demokrati, liberali i zeleni) će tražiti od Kamerona da u utorak započne razdruživanje. 

[Prospero]

EU may refuse informal Brexit talks until UK triggers article 50

Brussels has given up hope that exit process will be formally launched at summit this week but wants it to begin soon


Sunday 26 June 2016 19.25 BST


London and Brussels appear headed for stalemate two days before a European Union summit to discuss Britain’s vote to leave.
 
With Europe’s leaders divided over how to negotiate Brexit and Britain apparently reluctant to initiate formal talks on leaving, an EU source said lawyers had concluded that a member state could not be forced to launch the process. But a senior EU official stressed that, by the same token, Brussels could refuse overtures for even informal talks before the exit process is officially initiated – a course that prominent Brexit leaders including Boris Johnson want to pursue. “As long there is no notification, there will not be any negotiations,” the official said. Brussels has given up hope that Britain could be bounced into triggering article 50 – the untested procedure that governs how a member state leaves the bloc – at the summit starting on Tuesday. The official said the UK was in “a significant crisis” and it would be unrealistic to expect such a move. But he insisted: “We are ready to enter into this process quickly. We are ready to enter into this process as soon as possible.”

The US secretary of state, John Kerry, is due to fly to Brussels and London on Monday for urgent talks. Kerry urged both Britain and the EU to “minimise disruption” by negotiating the divorce responsibly. David Cameron is due to explain the UK’s position at a dinner at the EU summit on Tuesday night. Cameron will leave after the dinner, taking no part in the talks between leaders of the bloc’s 27 remaining members on Wednesday. Martin Schulz, the president of the EU parliament, led the call for formal exit talks to be launched as early as Tuesday. “We expect the British government to deliver now,” he told Germany’s Bild am Sonntag. “The summit on Tuesday is the appropriate moment to do so.”
 
The European commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker, said talks should start as a matter of urgency. An EU source told the Guardian that Juncker had called Cameron on Friday to say the prime minister should trigger article 50 immediately. Cameron said in his resignation speech that he would leave that task to his successor, expected to be named by October. According to the source, Juncker told him: “The decision of the British people was crystal clear, and the only logical step would be to implement their will as soon as possible.”
 
But EU officials said any chance of exit talks beginning imminently was slight. Lawyers had concluded that a member state could not be forced to take the “grave and irreversible” step of starting the article 50 process, one EU source said, adding that notification “has to be done in an unequivocal manner, with the explicit intent to trigger article 50”.

London is now certain to face severe political pressure to begin negotiations by the autumn and the EU may well reject the idea of informal talks before official notification is made. Prominent leave supporters including Johnson have said they want to open informal negotiations first in order to avoid locking Britain into the strict two-year timeframe within which article 50 negotiations must be concluded. In a flurry of further diplomatic activity, Donald Tusk, the European council president who will chair this week’s summit, is due to meet France’s president, François Hollande, on Monday morning, then travel to Berlin to meet Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, and Matteo Renzi, the Italian prime minister, in the afternoon. With frustrations mounting at Britain’s unwillingness to begin the divorce proceedings, Merkel has called for calm, businesslike discussions, making clear the timing should be up to London. It is not clear whether Cameron’s successor will seek to keep Britain in the EU single market and so remain subject to EU freedom of movement rules, or press ahead with a total break, the policy of the official leave campaign. Merkel wants to wait until this is known, which may not be until a new prime minister is named.
 
Merkel is concerned that other EU leaders may try to use the rebuff for Europe that Brexit symbolises as a lever to demand looser fiscal deficit rules on public investment, something both the French and Italian leaders believe could revive the European economy and the popularity of the EU. Merkel’s chief of staff, Peter Altmaier, said politicians in Britain should “take the time to reconsider the consequences of the Brexit decision – but by that I emphatically do not mean Brexit itself”. Europe should “wait for this to happen with calm”, he said.
 
Finland’s former prime minister Alexander Stubb said the EU should not push Britain too fast into launching a formal exit procedure. “This will be an extremely complicated set of negotiations,” he said. Other European capitals, however, are pushing for a rapid exit. The foreign ministers of the EU’s six founding members want Britain to start proceedings “as soon as possible” to avoid a long and potentially damaging period of uncertainty for the already weakened bloc.  The Dutch foreign minister, Bert Koenders, told the Volkskrant on Sunday: “We can’t have the kind of dithering Boris Johnson is suggesting. Everyone wants clarity: people, businesses, financial markets.” France’s foreign minister, Jean-Marc Ayrault, said Cameron should be replaced in “a few days”.
 
The French and the Italians, facing imminent electoral tests, want to be seen to be responding to popular anger towards the EU and at the same time to take a tough line with the UK in order to underline the cost of leaving the EU. Renzi has called a referendum on constitutional reform in October that might lead to his resignation, while France has presidential elections next spring.

The German vice-chancellor, Sigmar Gabriel, told the Handelsblatt business newspaper that the EU would not be making any fresh offers. “The British have now decided to go. We will not hold talks about what the EU can still offer the Britons to keep them in,” he said, describing Cameron’s decision to call the referendum “a grand and historic blunder” and saying he should step down soon. “It is clear: you can’t be a bit pregnant. Nor have half a partnership,” he was quoted as saying. Senior diplomats – so-called sherpas – of the EU member states were meeting in Brussels on Sunday for the first time without Britain to prepare the two-day summit, which aims to send the message that the EU is united following the UK’s unprecedented decision.
 
Officials have stressed that the UK will not be able to conclude a trade deal with the EU until it has left the union. France and Germany have reportedly drawn up a 10-page document outlining three key areas – security; migration and refugees; and jobs and growth – for members to address at the summit in an attempt to shore up the 60-year-old union, which faces the risk of unravelling following Britain’s vote to leave.
 
On Saturday, Tusk appointed a Belgian diplomat, Didier Seeuws, to start work on coordinating future negotiations with Britain.

[Roger Sanchez]

media conspiracy

 

 

 

Arron je žestoko krenuo, ispaljuje pola tvita po minuti

Edited June 26, 2016 by Roger Sanchez

[Prospero]

Jesi provalio momka™ iz Čehije™?
 

 

Jean-Claude Juncker, the president of the European Commission should resign as a result of the Brexit vote, the Czech foreign minister said on Sunday, as splits emerged over the future direction of Europe among the EU's remaining 27 members.

The EU chief, who has repeatedly called for “more Europe” to fix the continent's mounting crises, was a “negative symbol” of the kind of federalism that British voters rejected, said Lubomír Zaorálek, the Czech foreign minister.

"In my opinion, he [Juncker] is not the right person for that position. We have to ask who is responsible for the result of the referendum in Britain," said Mr Zaorálek on Czech television.

[Roger Sanchez]