Mađarski zid: izbeglice sa Bliskog istoka i iz Afrike u Srbiji i regionu

[yolo]

gubis vreme, debljina srpske koze je obrnuto proporcionala mozdanom kapacitetu

[nautilus]

Pontijače, u Makedoniji su juče izvukli iz reke tela utopljenog čoveka, njegove trudne žene (ono, mala bebica koja nije dočekala život) i njene sestre. Nekako sumnjam da su njih troje probali da forsiraju reku iz čiste obesti i bahatosti, ili zato što su deo neke sveobuhvatne zavere da se kršćanske vrednosti višegradske grupe bace na kolena.

 

Na hiljade tih ljudi i ko zna koliko nerodjenih i rodjenih beba ostali su na dnu mora i ko zna koliko će ih još ostati. Neki minimum poštovanja koji možemo da im ukažemo je da ih ne nazivamo pomodarima koji su hteli da se ogrebu o evropske fondove. Evropa ne mora da ih primi ako ne želi ali isto tako ne mora da ih deli na moralno podobne i moralno nepodobne nevoljnike. A to je upravo ono što Evropa radi - preispituje izbegličku/migrantsku podobnost ljudi koji stavljaju na kocku ono poslednje što imaju (goli život) ne bi li se obreli u nečemu boljem od onoga u čemu su sada.

 

mislio sam kao nešto moderisati i reći pontijaku da ne lupa i da pokaže malo empatije, ono, ne mora se u svakoj diskusiji pobediti bez obzira na sve, ali je sve lepše rekao beowl.

 

dajte ljudi, malo se upristojite.

[Аврам Гојић]

aktuelni podaci UNHCR su nedvosmisleni: većina ljudi dolaze u Evropu iz ratnih zona ili iz zemalja u stanju haosa.

85% ljudi dolazi iz Sirije, Iraka i Avganistana, a samo na Siriju otpada 45 posto od ukupnog broja.

većina izbeglica su žene i deca (54%).

[Prospero]

EU and Turkey reach refugee deal
European leaders and Ankara agree on relocation of Syrian asylum-seekers.


By
MATTHEW KARNITSCHNIG AND JACOPO BARIGAZZI
 
3/18/16, 4:58 PM CET

European leaders signed a sweeping refugee pact with Turkey Friday, securing a hard-fought deal they hope will reduce the flow of asylum-seekers into the EU and calm a crisis that has tested the bloc’s unity like nothing in its 65-year history.

 

 

“The talks were tough but fair, not everything that was said was to our liking,” European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker said afterward, but “the agreement… is in accordance with the law, there can be no doubt about that. It meets all EU and international law requirements.”
 
Under the agreement, Ankara will take back Syrian migrants who reach Greece illegally in return for the relocation in Europe of Syrian refugees now in Turkey. Europe hopes forcing refugees back to Turkey will dissuade them from crossing the Aegean, while also upending the human-smuggling trade. Nearly all the refugees arriving in Europe from Syria do so via Turkey.

In return for Turkey’s agreement, the EU will grant visa-free travel to Turkish citizens, as soon as this summer, accelerate Ankara’s EU membership application and increase financial aid to help Turkey manage the refugee crisis by €3 billion to €6 billion.

 

The deal will take effect on Sunday. The starting date is crucial because leaders wanted to avoid unleashing a rush of refugees trying to reach the EU before it goes into force.

 

The agreement comes after weeks of contentious debate both within and outside the halls of the EU over the plan’s viability and legality. While those doubts remain, the deal, reached at the end of a two-day summit here, marks a major victory for its sponsor, Germany’s Angela Merkel, as well as for Turkey’s leadership.

“In my view, this agreement shows that Europe can solve these kind of challenges together,” Merkel said. “We have the chance to achieve a long-term solution.”

 

Merkel has been courting Turkey since last fall. At another summit in November, the EU and Turkey reached a more limited agreement on financial aid in return for Turkish assurances to patrol its border and improve conditions for the 2.7 million Syrian refugees it has taken in. Friday’s pact, while it builds on that earlier accord, is much more ambitious in scope and has the potential, Merkel believes, to effectively halt the march of migrants trying to reach the EU from the Middle East.

The German leader stressed that she also believed the plan would “hit the business model of the smugglers hard.”

Most of the refugees now arriving in Greece pay thousands of euros to smugglers to take them there.

“The agreement will help, above all, those most directly affected – the refugees,” Merkel said.

Critics doubt that claim. Amnesty International and refugee groups have questioned both the legality and ethics of returning refugees to Turkey, where President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has introduced what many regard to be a dictatorship.
“Turkey is not a safe country for refugees and migrants, and any return process predicated on its being so will be flawed, illegal and immoral — whatever phantom guarantees precede this pre-declared outcome,” said John Dalhuisen, Amnesty’s director for Europe and Central Asia.

The EU has agreed to accept a total of 72,000 refugees under the agreement, or one for every Syrian sent back to Turkey. EU officials say they expect to take in far fewer under the program. If the plan succeeds in convincing migrants not to come and Turkey fulfills its promises to patrol its borders and intercept refugees in the Aegean, then few Syrians should make it Greece.
Once the EU sees evidence the program is working, Germany and some other countries would be open to accepting a larger number of the refugees now in Syria.

‘Herculean task’

Still, getting to that point will require a massive logistical effort. Greece, still in the throes of its economic crisis, will need substantial help in setting up the logistics to handle the operation. That is expected to entail dispatching an army of judges and interpreters to Greece to work through the asylum claims.

“This is a Herculean task facing us, especially Greece is faced by a Herculean task,” Juncker said. “It is the largest challenge the EU has yet faced.”
Though Greece is likely to send almost all of the migrants back to Syria, they are still entitled to an individual hearing under international conventions. In recent years, Athens has faced international censure for its poor handling of refugees. Many observers doubt that will change, even with the EU’s help.

 

That the EU pushed through an agreement many Europeans believe violates the bloc’s core principles suggests leaders saw no other option.

Friday’s deal was several weeks in the making.

Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu presented the broad outlines to Merkel before the EU’s last summit earlier this month. The proposal caught other leaders off guard because it went far beyond what Turkey had previously been willing to accept.

After more than a week of technical work, EU leaders agreed on a text to present Turkey late Thursday. The draft was given to Davutoğlu early Friday by Juncker, European Council chief Donald Tusk and Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte, whose country holds the rotating EU presidency.

They negotiated the remaining sticking points, including the treatment of non-Syrian refugees in Turkey. Ankara had resisted guaranteeing them full asylum rights under U.N. conventions, but eventually backed down.
To seal the deal, the EU leaders also agreed to open an additional “chapter” in Turkey’s blocked EU accession talks. The chapter — EU jargon for an area of negotiation — in question was not one of those blocked by EU-member Cyprus. Known as Chapter 33, it has been no less controversial, however.

A budgetary chapter, it covers matters related to agricultural duties, among other issues.

In 2007, the then French president Nicolas Sarkozy lobbied hard to block the opening of discussions with Turkey on chapter 33, arguing it would damage farmers and open the door for Turkey to adopt the euro.
The current French President François Hollande, however, signaled he would not object to opening it to facilitate the deal.

Turkish reward

EU leaders needed to overcome Cyprus’ resistance by opening chapters for Turkey’s EU accession that Nicosia is not blocking.
Turkey had initially demanded that the EU open five chapters that the Greek Cypriots had blocked. Nicosia wants Ankara to formally recognize it before it budges.
Many observers question whether Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan really wants to join the EU. Membership would impose standards for human rights that would clash with his authoritarian rule.
However, the opening of talks will also enable Erdoğan to silence some of his critics by showing that Ankara is still accepted by the West.

More importantly, visa liberalization hands the Turkish leader a major political victory. Ankara has been pushing for the lifting of visa requirements for its citizens for years. Even though Ankara will have to comply with a long list of requirements and win approval from the European Parliament before it goes into effect, the promise of the deal will give Turkish leaders a big boost at home.
“Turkey and EU have the same destiny, the same challenges, the same future,” Davutoğlu told reporters after the summit.” Our relationship is not a relationship of crisis management, but a relationship of vision to have a much more strategic cooperation between Turkey and the EU.”

[svashtabezneshto]

Turska će da obavi prljavi posao, a hrišćanska Evropa će se zgražavati (čim zaborave da je plan njihov).

[Dagmar]

Syrian migrants

 

E dabogda svako bio isti takav "migrant" ko za izbeglice iz Sirije koristi ovaj naziv.

[Аврам Гојић]

E dabogda svako bio isti takav "migrant" ko za izbeglice iz Sirije koristi ovaj naziv.

 

+1000

[Indy]

E dabogda svako bio isti takav "migrant" ko za izbeglice iz Sirije koristi ovaj naziv.

 

E taj koji insistira na tom izrazu rula ovim svetom. (Za ostatak, vidi moj potpis.)

[Budja]

Tuzan dan. Moralno-vrednosni bankrot.

[Anonymous]

Turska će da obavi prljavi posao, a hrišćanska Evropa će se zgražavati (čim zaborave da je plan njihov).

 

I za par godina će da ponovo sole pamet  drugim zemljama sa moralne tačke gledišta. Neće razumeti da su upravo sad izgubili bilo kakvo pravo da nekom nešto prigovaraju.

 

Totalni moralni bankrot. Dobrodošli u Evropu sa početka dvadesetog veka.

Edited March 19, 2016 by Anonymous

[Muwan]

Meni malo promiče tehnička funkcionalnost sporazuma. Kako se legalno[/] ulazi iz Turske u Grčku? Dodješ uredno na granični prelaz i zamoliš za azil? Ali pre toga imaš da prevališ 1500 kilometara od izbegličkog kampa do granice, to pretpostavljam da treba da uzmeš redovnu autobusku liniju i priložiš kartu sa sobom kao dokazkada stigneš na granicu? Ili će Turska arbitrarno da odlučuje ko ispunjava višegradske europske kriterijume za status izbeglice pa će njima orgnizovati transporte na državnom nivou a u isto vreme će širom zemlje loviti one koji ne upadnu u srećnu kvotu pa reše da se zapute ka obali i forsiraju Egejsko more? Jbt ovi stvarno misle da je bilo koja zemlja na svetu u stanju da prisilno zaustavi i stavi pod nekakvu strogu kontrolu protok 3 miliona ljudi na svojoj teritoriji??

[Аврам Гојић]

Ne mora da stavi pod strogu kontrolu protok 3 miliona ljudi. Dovoljno je da napravi primer na malom uzorku.

 

Evropi je jasno šta to podrazumeva a ipak je potpisala ovu monstruoznost. Mi smo ušli u distopijsko vreme.

[Bat Bat]

Ja iskreno mislim da je ovaj sporazum nesprovodiv, kao sto je bio i onaj o relokaciji izbeglica. Jedino ce kriminalci povecati cene za transport ljudi. 

[Dagmar]

Meni je interesantno i kako suit people godinama sede po Briselima i mnogo su važni, a kad treba neke praktične stvari da se rešavaju ne znaju baš šta bi.

Probali su i da žmure jedno dve godine na ovo, kad ono međutim nije nestalo.

[Razzmatazz]

Nije samo u njima problem - čak i kada ta birokratija donese neku odluku kao nakon teškog porođaja, zemlje članice ako žele mogu da odluče da se naprave mutave i odignorišu celu stvar. I pojeo vuk magarca.

Ovakva "više od numizmatičkog kluba, manje od federacije " organizacija prosto ne može da funkcioniše efikasno kao država, a pridaju joj se državni atributi. Pogotovo ne sa ovako naraslim brojem članica. Donošenje nerealnih odluka, koje članice ne moraju da sprovode je samo gubljenje vremena i para.