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[vememah]

Exit pollovi za izbore u pokrajini Donjoj Saksoniji (severozapad Nemačke). Krajnja desnica AFD ulazi u skupštinu, CDU nakon 16 godina prestao da bude najjača stranka, SPD ga je pretekao, ali je to Pirova pobeda jer SPD i Zeleni nemaju dovoljno da nastave da vladaju, Die Linke izgleda opet ne prelazi cenzus od 5%.

 

 

Raspodela u skupštini:

 

Mogućnosti za koaliciju - samo velika dvočlana ili neka tročlana:

Edited October 15, 2017 by vememah

[aram]

Bitna pobeda za Šulca, da nisu pretekli CDU bio bi gotov. A za vlast nije toliko bitno, čak im je i bolje da se svuda učvršćuju kao najjača opoziciona stranka.

[vememah]

Evo Šulc se obraća sa osmehom od uva do uva, iako rezultat teško da je njegova zasluga: 2/3 anketiranih kaže da pokrajinski premijer iz SPD-a radi dobro svoj posao, što je atipično visok procenat za Nemačku.

 

Inače, AFD je imao 9% u Donjoj Saksoniji na parlamentarnim pre 20 dana, a sad na pokrajinskim samo 5,5%.

Edited October 15, 2017 by vememah

[Eraserhead]

Inače, AFD je imao 9% u Donjoj Saksoniji na parlamentarnim pre 20 dana, a sad na pokrajinskim samo 5,5%.

 

Ovo pretpostavljam ide u prilog prici da je glas za AfD nekakav protest pre nego slaganje sa politikom. Glasaju tamo gde se najvise vidi, na parlamentarnim, ali ne i generalno.

[aram]

Nisam siguran, i razlaz sa Petry je mozda ostavio traga...

[Budja]

Kolaps pregovora.

 

Novi izbori bez Merkelove?

[aram]

Stajnmajer proziva SPD sto nece u veliku koaliciju, kaze da "svi moraju da budu spremni da doprinesu da se formira vlada, a ne da beze od odgovornosti i resenje opet traze od biraca" :D

[Budja]

Vidim da je Martin pojeo govno, Kakva gomila beskicmenjaka u SPD.

[Frank Pembleton]

Dobro, jel oni stvarno ne mogu da se dogovore?

Ili tu ima neka druga ideja?

 

 

...shit has hit the fan...

[hazard]

Ispade FPD jedina partija s kičmom. Još jedna velika koalicija je jako loša, mislim da će AfD porasti na sledećim izborima

[aram]

pritisak je iz stranke na Šulca veliki, dopalo im se ministrovanje jebi ga...

[hazard]

Dobro, jel oni stvarno ne mogu da se dogovore?

Ili tu ima neka druga ideja?

 

 

...shit has hit the fan...

 

Imaš ovde detaljnije

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/christian-lindner-defense-germany-coalition/

 

 

BERLIN — This week, top officials from Germany’s conservative Christian Democratic Union, its Bavarian sister party the Christian Social Union and the Greens finally found something they could agree on wholeheartedly. They condemned Christian Lindner, leader of the liberal Free Democratic Party (FDP), for pulling out of coalition talks with them and allegedly throwing Germany’s political system into chaos.

 

Some said that Lindner had selfishly and recklessly killed an imminent agreement. Others suggested he was a coward who lacked the courage to go all the way. Still others called him a populist and a cold-hearted opportunist. But arguably, Lindner’s decision to walk away was not only courageous; it was healthy for German democracy.

[assignment]

Ako SPD misli da prezivi oni nikako nebi trebali da udju opet u veliku koaliciju... Inace idu na ispod 20%, mozda i vise...

 

Ako su izbori nesto pokazail onda je to da gradjani ne zele veliku koaliciju.

 

A moguca koalicija koja je propala zbog FDPa realno, po programima partija nije mogla uspeti. Jedino da kao zeleni beskicminjaci budes toliko zeljan 2 jebenih ministarstva i poseres se na tvoje tri glavne zelene teme (truli kompromisi u vezi uglja, atomske snage i elektricnog mobiliteta)

 

Postoji i strah od koalicije sa CDU, jer su partnera koalicije  "unistavali", npr  FDP, koji je posle te koalicije na sledecim izborina pao sa 10 na ispod 5 i nije bio u parlamentu. Slicna misljenja su ispoljavali i ljudi iz SPD-a koji su tokom velikih koalicija uvek gubili glasacko telo...

 

Postoji i teza da je to ipak i do Merkelove koja je kako kazu izgubila dosta od svoje moci (posebno unutar svoje partije. jer je pri kraju i sprema i trazi se sledeci) i mnogi analiticari smatraju da nije dobro kontrolisala i vodile te pregovore.

Edited November 24, 2017 by assignment

[vememah]

Šulc rekao da će svi članovi SPD-a glasati o koaliciji ako ona bude ispregovarana (naravno ako on ostane predsednik stranke do tad, što nije baš izvesno).

 

Po novim anketama, relativna većina Nemaca je pre za nove izbore nego za veliku koaliciju, jedini je problem što ankete takođe kažu da se rezultat nakon novih izbora ne bi bitno promenio.

 

Ukupno stanovništvo u procentima:

38 za nove izbore

25 za veliku koaliciju

14 za manjinsku vladu CDU/CSU sa zelenima

11 za manjinsku vladu CDU/CSU sa liberalima (FDP)

 

Pristalice CDU/CSU u procentima:

38 za veliku koaliciju

28 za nove izbore

16 za manjinsku vladu sa zelenima

7 za manjinsku vladu sa liberalima (FDP)

 

Pristalice SPD u procentima:

36 za veliku koaliciju

36 (takođe) za nove izbore

17 za manjinsku vladu CDU/CSU sa zelenima

8 za manjinsku vladu CDU/CSU sa liberalima (FDP)

 

Pristalice zelenih u procentima:

42 za manjinsku vladu sa CDU/CSU

24 za nove izbore

12 za veliku koaliciju

9 za manjinsku vladu CDU/CSU sa liberalima (FDP)

 

Pristalice liberala (FDP) u procentima:

52 za manjinsku vladu sa CDU/CSU

33 za nove izbore

10 za veliku koaliciju

5 za manjinsku vladu CDU/CSU sa zelenima

 

Pristalice Levice (Die Linke) u procentima najviše žele veliku koaliciju - 37%.

Pristalice AfD-a u procentima naravno najviše žele nove izbore - 56%

 

http://www.focus.de/politik/deutschland/nach-jamaika-aus-groko-schwarz-gruen-oder-neuwahlen-umfrage-zeigt-was-waehler-jetzt-wirklich-wollen_id_7886383.html

Edited November 24, 2017 by vememah

[bigvlada]

 

German government wants ‘backdoor’ access to every digital device: report

Germany’s Interior Minister wants to force tech and car companies to provide the German security services with hidden digital access to cars, computers, phones and more, according to a media report from Friday.
The RedaktionsNetzwerk Deutschland (RND) reported that Thomas de Maizière had written up a draft proposal for the interior minister conference, taking place next week in Leipzig, which he has called “the legal duty for third parties to allow for secret surveillance.”

According to the RND, the proposal would “dramatically extend” the state’s powers to spy on its citizens.

The Interior Minister has been motivated to propose a new law by the fact that it is becoming ever more difficult for the intelligence agencies to break through the security systems which protect privacy on digital devices.

For example, the modern locking systems on cars are so intelligent that they even warn a driver if their car is shaken a little bit. De Maizière wants the new law to ensure that these alerts would not be sent out to a car owner if the police determined it to be justified by their investigation.

But the parameters of the proposed law are reportedly much wider. De Maizière also wants the security services to have the ability to spy on any device connected to the internet. Tech companies would have to give the state "back door" access to private tablets and computers, and even to smart TVs and digital kitchen systems.

The security services would need the authorization of a judge to hack into any of these devices.

The proposal was met with astonishment by digital activists and politicians on Friday.

The draft law is “a frontal attack on the digital and physical security of all citizens,” Frank Rieger, spokesman for the Chaos Computer Club (CCC) told netzpolitik.org. “Access to the IT system of a car means danger to life and limb - it is a literal kill switch.”

“The Interior Minister's plans sounds like an Orwellian nightmare. Soon all flats in Germany will be equipped with devices which are potential wiretaps,” Konstantin von Notz, deputy faction leader of the Green Party, told Spiegel.

“We need to think really hard about the fact that we are a country with two dictatorships in its recent history. Do we want to live in a land where there is no privacy and where the state can interfere wherever it is technologically possible?” he asked.

https://www.thelocal.de/20171201/german-government-wants-backdoor-access-to-every-digital-device-report