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[vememah]

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Rođaci nestalih tvrde da sudbina 85 ljudi nije poznata, među kojima su većinom deca, prenosi agencija Interfaks.
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Istraga je pokazala da je tehničar zadužen za bezbednost ovog kompleksa „isključio alarm" nakon što je saznao da je počeo požar.

Pokrenut je krivični postupak protiv odgovornih. Petoro ljudi je uhapšeno, između ostalih, i zaposleni koji je deaktivirao alarmni sistem.

Političar iz Kemerova Anton Gorelkin napisao je na Fejsbuk profilu da su „izlazi u slučaju požara bili zatvoreni, zbog čega je čitav kompleks bio pretvoren u zamku" i da „nije bilo organizovane evakuacije".

Takođe je napisao da aparati za gašenje požara nisu radili kako treba.

Zamenik guvernera ove oblasti Vladimir Černov postavio je pitanje zašto su vrata tržnog centra bila zatvorena.

https://www.bbc.com/serbian/lat/svet-43555215

70% od tih 85 nestalih bez traga po rečima rodbine su deca, najčešće između 10 i 13 godina.

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В штабе, созданном родственниками жертв пожара в кемеровском торгово-развлекательном центре "Зимняя вишня", сообщили, что к настоящему моменту к ним поступила информация о 85 лицах, которые предположительно пропали без вести.

"Данные получены лично, по почте и смс. Фамилии не повторяются. 70% пропавших без вести - дети, средний возраст - 10-13 лет", - сказал собеседник агентства.

 

http://www.interfax.ru/russia/605457

Državno ministarstvo za vanredne situacije pak tvrdi da je 64 ukupan broj žrtava i kaže da nemaju informacije o rođacima koji ne znaju šta je s njihovim najbližima. Identifikovano je 27 žrtava, od čega je za 6 potrebna dodatna potvrda.

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МЧС назвало окончательное число жертв пожара в Кемерове

Погибли 64 человека, без вести пропавших нет, заявили в ведомстве

Власти не располагают данными о гражданах, пропавших без вести в результате пожара в торговом центре в Кемерове, общее число жертв - 64 человека, сообщил замглавы МЧС России Владлен Аксенов.

 

"Пропавших без вести нет. Информации о родственниках, которые не знают, где их близкие, мы не имеем", - сказал Аксенов в среду журналистам.

 

Он отметил, что "опознаны 27 человек, при этом по шести необходимо провести дополнительную экспертизу".

 

http://www.interfax.ru/russia/605632

 

Edited March 28, 2018 by vememah

[dillinger]

Turci odbili proterati diplomate. Nemci poslali poruku da novi mogu zameniti odlazeće.

 

 

 

No sve to na stranu, zna se čije je mišljenje ne samo najbitnije, već i jedino bitno. Editorial Global Timesa,znači kao iz pera Xi-ja lično.

 

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Russian diplomat expulsions signal crude side of Western intention

 

On March 26, the US, Canada, and several European Union countries expelled Russian diplomats from their respective foreign embassies and consulates in retaliation against Russia's alleged poisoning of former double agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter.  As of this writing, 19 countries, including 15 EU member states, have shown their support to Great Britain by enforcing such measures. 

On March 4, Skripal and his daughter Yulia were rushed to a hospital after they were found unconscious at a park in Salisbury. It was later reported the father and daughter had come into contact with an obscure nerve agent. UK government officials said the Skripals were attacked by "Novichok," a powerful Soviet-era chemical nerve agent used by the military.

The British government did not provide evidence that linked Russia to the crime but was confident from the beginning there could be no other "reasonable explanation" for the attempted assassination. Great Britain was so convinced of their Russia theory, they wasted no time taking the lead in levying sanctions against the country by quickly expelling Russian diplomats from London.  Shortly afterwards, UK capital officials reached out to NATO and their European allies who provided immediate support. 

The accusations that Western countries have hurled at Russia are based on ulterior motives, similar to how the Chinese use the expression "perhaps it's true" to seize upon the desired opportunity. From a third-person perspective, the principles and diplomatic logic behind such drastic efforts are flawed, not to mention that expelling Russian diplomats almost simultaneously isa crude form of behavior. Such actions make little impact other than increasing hostility and hatred between Russia and their Western counterparts.

The UK government should have an independent investigation conducted into the Skripal poisoning by representatives from the international community. An effort such as this would provide results strong enough for those following the case to make up their minds on who should or shouldn't be accused of the crime. Now, the majority of those who support Britain's one-sided conclusion happen to be members of NATO and the EU, while others stood behind the UK due to long-standing relations.

The fact that major Western powers can gang up and "sentence" a foreign country without following the same procedures other countries abide by and according to the basic tenets of international law is chilling. During the Cold War, not one Western nation would have dared to make such a provocation and yet today it is carried out with unrestrained ease. Such actions are nothing more than a form of Western bullying that threatens global peace and justice. 

Over the past few years the international standard has been falsified and manipulated in ways never seen before. The fundamental reason behind reducing global standards is rooted in post-Cold War power disparities. The US, along with their allies, jammed their ambitions into the international standards so their actions, which were supposed to follow a set of standardized procedures and protocol, were really nothing more than profit-seizing opportunities designed only for themselves.  These same Western nations activated in full-force public opinion-shaping platforms and media agencies to defend and justify such privileges.

As of late, more foreign countries have been victimized by Western rhetoric and nonsensical diplomatic measures. In the end, the leaders of these nations are forced to wear a hat featuring slogans and words that read "oppressing their own people," "authoritarian," or "ethnic cleansing," regardless of their innocence.  

It is beyond outrageous how the US and Europe have treated Russia. Their actions represent a frivolity and recklessness that has grown to characterize Western hegemony that only knows how to contaminate international relations. Right now is the perfect time for non-Western nations to strengthen unity and collaborative efforts among one another. These nations need to establish a level of independence outside the reach of Western influence while breaking the chains of monopolization declarations, predetermined adjudications, and come to value their own judgement abilities. 

It's already understood that to achieve such international collective efforts is easier said than done as they require foundational support before anything can happen. Until a new line of allies emerges, multi-national associations like BRICS, or even the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, need to provide value to those non-Western nations and actively create alliances with them.

What Russia is experiencing right could serve as a reflection of how other non-Western nations can expect to be treated in the not-to-distant future.  Expelling Russian diplomats simultaneously is hardly enough to deter Russia. Overall, it's an intimidation tactic that has become emblematic of Western nations, and furthermore, such measures are not supported by international law and therefore unjustified. More importantly, the international community should have the tools and means to counterbalance such actions.

The West is only a small fraction of the world and is nowhere near the global representative it once thought it was.  The silenced minorities within the international community need to realize this and prove just how deep their understanding is of such a realization by proving it to the world through action. With the Skripal case, the general public does not know the truth, and the British government has yet to provide a shred of evidence justifying their allegations against Russia. 

It is firmly believed that accusations levied by one country to another that are not the end results of a thorough and professional investigation should not be encouraged. Simultaneously expelling diplomats is a form of uncivilized behavior that needs to be abolished immediately.

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1095361.shtml

 

 

 

Edited March 28, 2018 by dillinger

[Eraserhead]

Putin, Xi i Erdogan. Kakva sjajna ekipa. Svaki od njih u sukobu sa skoro celokupnim okruzenjem.

Edited March 28, 2018 by Eraserhead

[dillinger]

Valjda ti je jasno da pred tim ono tvoje SVI se slažu sa prethodne strane malo bledi.

 

Pogledaj dobro boldovani pasus Global Timesa i osnovnu poruku. 

 

A trojica pobrojanih imaju neupitan legitimitet za niz godina pred nama, nešto čime se nijedna zapadna administracija ne može podičiti i to je za njih ozbiljan problem.

 

Btw Erdogan je za sve nesiguran partner ali zato je Moskva-Peking savez prilično zacementiran.

[Eraserhead]

Nesto mi mafijaski presednik, covek na celu KP koji se proglasio za dozivotnog vladara i autoritarni islamista ne deluju kao ekipa koju bi cenio ili koje bi hteo da moja zemlja bude deo.

 

30+ zemalja koje su stale uz Britaniju mi deluju kao mnogo povoljnije drustvo.

[dillinger]

Lepo kako su ova trojica samo individue valjda koje samo što nisu građani oborili sa vlasti, dok je uvlakački potez 1 Zaeva ili Kolinde stav zemlje.

 

E lolo stara

Edited March 28, 2018 by dillinger

[Eraserhead]

Just now, dillinger said:

Lepo kako su ova trojica samo individue valjda koje samo što nisu građani oborili sa vlasti, dok je potez uvlakački potez 1 Zaeva ili Kolinde stav zemlje.

 

Eh ko te ne zna

 

Ko prica o obaranju s vlasti? Tramp, Makron, Mej i vecina ostalih sa liste 30+ zemalja koje su stale uz UK ce biti u penziji (osim Mila, on ce da vlada jos 20 godina) ali ce zato verovatno pomenuti trojac zariti i paliti. Medjutim to nije nikakva stvar za divljenje nego naprotiv.

[eoten]

14 minutes ago, Eraserhead said:

Nesto mi mafijaski presednik, covek na celu KP koji se proglasio za dozivotnog vladara i autoritarni islamista

 

+ novozelandska levičarka:

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New Zealand says it would expel Russian spies ... but it can't find any

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/27/new-zealand-expel-russian-spies-cant-find-any

[Simon]

Има ли каквих конкретних доказа? Или још увијек је чапри, ми мислимо, највјероватније и тако ближе и тако даље. Све док не постоји ниједан конкретан доказ ова хајка дјелује врло некоректно. 

[Simon]

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/03/of-a-type-developed-by-liars/

[mlatko]

As the government has sought to whip up jingoistic hysteria in advance of forthcoming local elections, the scale of the lie has daily increased.

Mnogo pitanja, malo odgovora i malo vise freneticne paranoje. Sad se sve zna unapred a 2010 npr. kad su nasli onog engleskog spijuna u torbi sve drugo je bilo tacno osim da je u pitanju Mi6 ili Cia... Nasli su i onda dokaze da su Rusi bili u blizini ali i da je mozda bio u pitanju seksualni incident a mozda i organizovani kriminal. Sad se ovi namestili na penal a niko da pretpostvi da je mozda umesana neka mafija, ko zna sta su im italijani dali da jedu...

Dostignut je optimalni rezultat: Trump je pokazao tvrd stav a ove EU solidarne marijonete su samo bonus za oko anglosaksonskog lobija. Putin to zna i ceka da se ispucaju salve govana EU zemalja 180° uvis. Kod prve prilike oko nekih ekonomskih represalija bice opet kuknjava na krvolocnog diktatora i nepravdu. :kalimeUro:

Pitam se koliko su englezi solidalni sa svojim ex Eu partnerima... ne interesuju ih vise izbeglice pa mora da se radi nesto da bi se zaradilo parce buzdetske torte.

[Eraserhead]

Dosta je impresivna ova evropska solidarnost sa UK posebno nakon brexita. Bice da je mafijaski fash rezim svima dopizdeo. A bilo je i vreme.

[Peter Fan]

Koliko su Indija, Japan I J. Koreja isterali?

[Eraserhead]

Do sada smo imali ovaj krimi rezim kao simbol borbe protiv homoseksualaca a sad imamo i ovo. Zaokruzivanje jedne retrogradne ideologije koja pociva na autoritarizmu, konzervativizmu, negaciji dostignuca ljudskih prava i institucija. Nekakav fasizam za 21. vek.

[dillinger]

To to, potiru ozbiljna civilizacijska dostignuća zbog kojih je 1 Rouz Mekgovan morala da istrpi silovanje jezikom na ivici đakuzija za prvu višemilionsku ulogu.