Толстый и тонкий

[Zaz_pi]

To su specijalni vojni racunari koji mogu da podnesu mnogo teze uslove od komercijalnih kao i jos neke stvari.

Tako da ovo:

 

se ne razlikuje mnogo od ovoga, stavise:

 

 

 

In 2009 Dell Inc. is seeking to join the ranks of rugged computer makers like Panasonic, General Dynamics Itronix, and DRS Tactical Systems with its introduction of the Latitude E6400 XFR rugged laptop, with ballistic armor and protection from dust and moisture for army, military, homeland security, and first responder applications.

Edited December 26, 2014 by Zaz_pi

[hazard]

Inace tehnologija litograpfske stampe kao do sada dolazi do svojih limita i polako ce se prelaziti na kvantne racunare, a videcemo kako ce se tu ko pozicionirati.

 

   

 

Daj leba ti ne lupaj...

Edited December 26, 2014 by hazard

[SleeperSleep]

nemoj tako, zazpi je strucnjak za sve.

Edited December 26, 2014 by ikar

[Anduril]

Polako, sace neki grafikon da kao potvrdi o cemu je govorio...

Steta prostora na serveru.

[Venom]

Sad kad padne citiranje Mooreovog zakona, doduse sve to je jos ranije predvideo Rasputin.

[Zaz_pi]

Ovaj iznad zna o cemu prica. :)

 

   

 

Daj leba ti ne lupaj...

 

Ja se na tvome mestu ne bih smejao.

 

Is IBM Making Plans For The End Of Silicon?

...

Georgia Tech computer scientist Tom Conte tells _Popular Science _that 7-nanometer transistors are “basically the size of large atoms. There are a lot of unknown quantum effects” that can’t be controlled, so chipmakers can’t guarantee reliable function.

...

Conte predicts “silicon’s days are numbered. We’ve hit a place where we need to step back and rethink how we design computers.” IBM seems to agree. Their recent announcement cited several different burgeoning technologies that could lead to breakthroughs in chip development, making them not only smaller, but also more efficient and more reliable.

One is quantum computing, where the goal is to increase a computer's operational capabilities. Tradidtional bits of information have values of only 0 or 1, but quantum bits can hold values of 0, 1, or both at the same time, enabling a system to process millions of calculations at the same time.

 

To nije nista novo:

Is 14nm the end of the road for silicon chips?

The end of Moore's Law is on the horizon, says AMD

[Eraserhead]

To su specijalni vojni racunari koji mogu da podnesu mnogo teze uslove od komercijalnih kao i jos neke stvari.

Tako da ovo:

 

se ne razlikuje mnogo od ovoga, stavise:

 

Dobro brate zajebavam se, ne moras svake sekunde da budes na braniku otadzbine.

[Zaz_pi]

Inace gde se jos koriste mikrocipovi napravljeni u Rusiji, evo npr:

 

 

 

 

Pa onda za nove AESA radare, kao ovo luce:

 

 

Active electronically scanned array(AESA) najmodernija vrsta radara.

Zatim na Su-35 su primenjene odredjene EA(electronic attack) sposobnosti:

 

The addition of the electronic attack (EA) capability complicates matters for Western fighters because the Su-35’s advanced digital radio frequency memory jammers can seriously degrade the performance of friendly radars. It also effectively blinds the onboard radars found onboard American-made air-to-air missiles like the AIM-120 AMRAAM.

 

Killer in the Sky: Russia's Deadly Su-35 Fighter

 

itd.

[hazard]

Ovaj iznad zna o cemu prica. :)

 

 

Ja se na tvome mestu ne bih smejao.

 

To nije nista novo:

Is 14nm the end of the road for silicon chips?

The end of Moore's Law is on the horizon, says AMD

 

Ja se na tvom mestu ne bih prepucavao clancima iz Popular Science-a (vrhunski tehnicki izvor ) sa nekim ko je zapravo u zivotu dizajnirao cip i ko zna tacno cega je mera 14 nm ili 65 nm.

OK nisam vise u toj oblasti, ali pratim, a ponesto i znam.

 

Pre cemo stici do nekakve tehnoloske "stanice" od 5 nm u litografiji nego sto ce neko u dogledno vreme napraviti kvantni kompjuter koji ce biti zamena za silikonske kompjutere. A predvidjanja o kraju "Murovog zakona" (koji btw nije nikakav "zakon" vec opservacija koja se cesto pogresno shvata) se vrte bar jedno 10-15 godina (na sta se inace i aludira u clanku koji si linkovao). Da, tacno je, postoje ozbiljne poteskoce u daljem "smanjivanju" litografskih procesa, i ovo sto se sada radi je na o-ruk i uzasno je komplikovano, ali to je zrela industrija u kojoj radi na hiljade i hiljade visokoobrazovanih i iskusnih strucnjaka i u dogledno vreme ce pre oni napraviti neki novi proboj nego sto se ce pojaviti kvantni kompjuter upotrebljiv za prakticne, svakodnevne stvari.

 

Da napomenem sve sto je konkretno uradjeno kvantnim racunarima danas je...faktorizacija celih brojeva. Sto ume da bude uzasno tezak problem, samo sto je jako daleko od neke prakticne upotrebe. Da ne spominjemo da postoji bojazan da kvantni kompjuteri, cak i kada bi se napravili, nikada i ne bi mogli da zamene klasicne, jer ne bi bili u stanju da prate standardne sekvencijalne algoritme, vec bi samo bili korisni za odredjene teske probleme koji su van domasaja klasicnih kompjutera (kao sto je...pogadjajte, opet, brza faktorizacija velikih celih brojeva).

 

Postojeci litografski procesi hoce neminovno udariti u zid i njihov napredak ce stati, no to ne znaci da ce ih zameniti kvantni kompjuteri...cak i ako potpuno stane napredak "silikona", brzi procesori ce dolaziti zbog napretka u samoj arhitekturi i organizaciji itd.

 

Uostalom, u samom clanku iz PopSci koji si linkovao pise:

 

 

None of these technologies, however, have had enough testing. Furthermore, some experts remain ardently skeptical that silicon is even on its way out. “I wouldn’t bet a dollar on any of this stuff,” says MIT computer scientist Srini Devadas. “The quantum stuff is just so far out,” he says, and he doesn’t believe carbon nanotubes or nanophotonics could feasibly compete with silicon in the near future. Transistor miniaturization will probably still slow down considerably once we reach 7 nanometers, but Devadas believes there's still a lot of room for innovation using existing materials. “Why not just develop a variant of silicon that works?” he asks.

Devadas also points out that the $3 billion IBM has pledged is “small peanuts” compared to the hundreds of billions chipmakers like IBM and Intel are already putting into research for silicon innovation. He believes that as silicon transistors continue to shrink, people are anxious to see other technologies usher in a “post-silicon” era, making IBM’s announcement seem more significant than it actually is.

 

Pre ce visiti bigvladini gradovi nad Venerom nego sto ce u svakoj naucnoj laboratoriji biti kvantni kompjuter. Ovo prvo je barem skoro pa izvodljivo, manjka volje, ovo drugo je zesci science fiction trenutno.

[Zaz_pi]

To je zvanicno saopstenje IBM:

 

Scientists and engineers to push limits of silicon technology to 7 nanometers and below and create post-silicon future

ARMONK, N.Y., July 10, 2014 /PRNewswire/ -- IBM (NYSE: IBM) today announced it is investing $3 billion over the next 5 years in two broad research and early stage development programs to push the limits of chip technology needed to meet the emerging demands of cloud computing and Big Data systems. These investments will push IBM's semiconductor innovations from today's breakthroughs into the advanced technology leadership required for the future.

The first research program is aimed at so-called "7 nanometer and beyond" silicon technology that will address serious physical challenges that are threatening current semiconductor scaling techniques and will impede the ability to manufacture such chips. The second is focused on developing alternative technologies for post-silicon era chips using entirely different approaches, which IBM scientists and other experts say are required because of the physical limitations of silicon based semiconductors.

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The teams will comprise IBM Research scientists and engineers from Albany and Yorktown, New York; Almaden, California; and Europe. In particular, IBM will be investing significantly in emerging areas of research that are already underway at IBM such as carbon nanoelectronics, silicon photonics, new memory technologies, and architectures that support quantum and cognitive computing

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ibm-announces-3-billion-research-initiative-to-tackle-chip-grand-challenges-for-cloud-and-big-data-systems-2014-07-10

[odmor]

ako nekog interesuje, 'istorija sovijetskih kompjutera', prevod na engleski

http://www.sigcis.org/files/malinovsky2010.pdf

[SleeperSleep]

e jbg hazarde, ko jos cita clanke do kraja..

[Budja]

UAE?

 

UAE sta?

 

Gradjevinarstvo (vezano za naftu, sumnjivi profiti), subvencije Etihadu.

Kupovine po inostranstvu je od prihoda od nafte ali to su investicije spolja ne iznutra. I to je potpuno u redu.

 

Dopustam da gresim.

[hazard]

To je zvanicno saopstenje IBM:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ibm-announces-3-billion-research-initiative-to-tackle-chip-grand-challenges-for-cloud-and-big-data-systems-2014-07-10

 

I kakve to veze ima sa tvojom recenicom koju sam ja ismejao, koja glasi, citiram "polako ce se prelaziti na kvantne racunare"?

 

Kad ce se prelaziti? Ko ce prelaziti? Odgovori su ne zna se, tj. ne zna da lice u uopste, i u dogledno vreme (sledecih bar 20-25 godina, a i to je vrlo optimisticno), niko.

[Lord Protector]

I kakve to veze ima sa tvojom recenicom koju sam ja ismejao, koja glasi, citiram "polako ce se prelaziti na kvantne racunare"?

 

Kad ce se prelaziti? Ko ce prelaziti? Odgovori su ne zna se, tj. ne zna da lice u uopste, i u dogledno vreme (sledecih bar 20-25 godina, a i to je vrlo optimisticno), niko.

 

Hazarde, šta si se koji klinac navrzao Zaziju na glavu...to što si nekad davno nacrtao tri tranzistora u Spice-u na laboratorijskim vežbama u podrumu ETF-a ne čini te stručnjakom za kvantne kompjutere. Da si bio dobar ne bi te šutnuli ovi preko bare, tj još bi se bavio projektovanjem integrisanih kola i ne bi se sada mlatio glupavom Javom. Ako te baš zanima Rusi će napraviti prvi kvantni kompjuter, a najverovatnije ga već i imaju. To je vrhunska tajna i za sada je nemoguće dati više podataka.