Roger Sanchez Posted November 5 Posted November 5 (edited) To je bila velika kontroverza na temelju koje su kasnije Eisenhower, Nixon i republikanci dobili trajfektu* i 8 godina Bijele kuće, sve dok Kennedy nije ukrao izbore Nixonu Quote *As of 2022, this marked the third and final time in American history where one party flipped both chambers of Congress and the Presidency in a single election, along with 1800 and 1840. This would be the last time the Republicans won the Senate majority until 1980 and the last time they would win the House majority until 1994.... This is the last time the House changed hands in a presidential year, and the last time both houses simultaneously did so. Demokrate i Trumana su od '50te do '52 pacifistički™ republikanci bušili da su 1949 olako i bez rata prepustili Kinu komunističkim Kinezima (dakle, Who lost China? Commie Democrats!), time inaugurirali i Korejski rat itd. S opipljivim rezultatima, kao što se gore vidi Edited November 5 by Roger Sanchez
namenski Posted November 5 Posted November 5 2 minutes ago, Roger Sanchez said: Demokrate i Trumana su od '50te do '52 pacifistički™ republikanci bušili da su 1949 olako i bez rata prepustili Kinu komunističkim Kinezima (dakle, Who lost China? Commie Democrats!), time inaugurirali i Korejski rat itd. S opipljivim rezultatima, kao što se gore vidi Aham, hvala Znaci da je Kina prepustena, OK? I to komunistickim Kinezima, jer da je Amerika drugacije odlucila, videli bismo cija keva crnu vunu.. Da je trebalo ratovati, a ne pokupiti prnje, biti isteran na metli? Mislim, pitanje je danas samo teorijsko, ali ipak... I, da li bi bio ljubazan da navedes izvor koji si citirao, hvala.
Shan Jan Posted November 5 Posted November 5 Pa jeste prepustena ako gledas geopoliticki - postala je prejaka da bude kontrolisana. Nesto slicno su uspesno uradili sa UK posle WWII, pa sa Francuskom pricom o ujedinjenoj Evropi pa sa Sovjetima pa na kraju sa Japanom kad je pripretio 80tih.... samo im se Kina izgleda otela. Svaka imperija ima pocetak i kraj.
namenski Posted November 5 Posted November 5 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Shan Jan said: Pa jeste prepustena ako gledas geopoliticki - postala je prejaka da bude kontrolisana. Nesto slicno su uspesno uradili sa UK posle WWII, pa sa Francuskom pricom o ujedinjenoj Evropi pa sa Sovjetima pa na kraju sa Japanom kad je pripretio 80tih.... samo im se Kina izgleda otela. Svaka imperija ima pocetak i kraj. Prepustena je, i ne samo Kina, samo onim mladim, lepim i pametnim analiticarima (nista licno naravno ) napajanimtm na tekovinama slavnih posthladnoratovskih '90-ih koji smatraju da neke mudre cike, neki demsi ili oni drugi ili neki treci, vedre i oblace... Opus Dei... Da se Kina i ostali recimo Vijetnami, itd, itd..., bas nista ne pitaju, nego ih neko tako dobije ili izgubi... E, pa - pitaju se, samo sto je ta istorijskaa cinjenica poslednjih decenija skrajnuta da se Vlasi ne dosete. Jer, kada se Vlasi dosete - bude svasta, proradi giljotina recimo... Narocito je mucno kada se za takve potrebe potegne bas Kina: uprkos bukvalno svima, isterala je svoje: BTW, sovjetski, Staljinovtm ambasador je bio poslednji koji se oprostio sa Cangom i pozeleo mu srecan i siguran put na Formozu. I to iskreno, sa sve smatranjem Moskvetm da neki tamo kineski seljoberi mlate praznu slamu, nemaju pojma o marksizmu, onom pravomtm... Ili, uprosceno: kurac bi je izgubili, prepustili, da nije radila motka. I to ona na g... I - mani se imperija... Edited November 5 by namenski
Roger Sanchez Posted November 5 Posted November 5 (edited) 1 hour ago, namenski said: I, da li bi bio ljubazan da navedes izvor koji si citirao, hvala. Nisam citirao izvor, citirao sam sjećanje, ali sjećanje je dobro jer se iz dokumenata vidi kako je to utjecalo na ''ratoborno'' odlučivanje Demokrata u '60tima. Ovo bi ti moglo pomoći: Quote China: A Cautionary Tale Shortly after assuming the presidency, President Lyndon Johnson granted an interview to Jack Knight of the Knight-Ridder newspaper chain. In the interview Johnson surprised the newsman by posing his own question: “What do you think we should do in Vietnam?” The new president was beginning to confront a challenge that would haunt his presidency. A recent coup in South Vietnam had destabilized the situation, leaving the new Democratic President in what he feared was a no-win position. He outlined his options for Knight. “There’s only three things you can do,” Johnson said. “One is to run” from the conflict “and let the dominoes start falling over. And, God Almighty, what they said about us leaving China would be just warming up compared to what they’d say now.” LBJ did not clarify who he meant by “us” when he expressed his fears to Jack Knight. Was he referring to the United States or the Democratic Party—or both? Indeed, he was thinking of a foreign policy debate that began in 1949 and continues today in scholarly circles. The debate was framed as a simple question: Who lost China? A shrewd politician like Lyndon Johnson considered the likely political ramifications of his foreign policy decisions, drawing on hard lessons he and other politicians learned in their careers. Johnson did not want his decisions on Vietnam to doom his presidency. Bay of Pigs je isto izvorno bio plan pacifističkih™ Republikanaca. Oni su namjeravali 'vratiti' izgubljenu Kubu. Quote Recognizing that Castro and his government were becoming increasingly hostile and openly opposed to the United States, Eisenhower directed the CIA to begin preparations for invading Cuba and overthrowing the Castro regime. An early plan to thwart Castro was devised on 11 February 1960 by Tracy Barnes, Jake Esterline, Al Cox, Dave Phillips, and Jim Flannery to sabotage both Cuban and American Sugar mills.... Tri godine ranije dobri™ pacifistički™ Ike je ''vratio'' Gvatemalu koju je Truman olako pustio Edited November 5 by Roger Sanchez
namenski Posted November 5 Posted November 5 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Roger Sanchez said: Bay of Pigs je isto izvorno bio plan pacifističkih™ Republikanaca. Oni su namjeravali 'vratiti' izgubljenu Kubu. Quote Izvorno, neizvorno, pacifisticki, 'pacifisticki', репси i демси...: kod nastm se to zove - исти курац, друго паковање... A teachingtm izvori su ti кева, samo nastavi... Edited November 5 by namenski 1
Roger Sanchez Posted November 5 Posted November 5 Goni se ti zapravo lipo u kurac, sad & ubuduće, glup sam ja što sam pristojan 4 hours ago, namenski said: Aj, molim te, kad stignes? Neću više nikad stići. 1 1
namenski Posted November 5 Posted November 5 2 minutes ago, Roger Sanchez said: Neću više nikad stići. Jebiga, a ja se toliko nadao, ocekivao da ces da republikansko вармонгерство dokazes, krunises podatkom da je i Lincoln, zadrti repstm, zaratio Gradjanski rat... Steta, bas steta...
Shan Jan Posted November 11 Posted November 11 I dok se Ukrajinci i Rusi igraju ko ce bolje da odgovori na promene u ratu ovog drugog, nesto slicno se desava sa USA i Kinom na drugoj strani planete. TLDR: Tokom posete Nensi Pelosi Tajvanu, USA je u toj meri zaslepila Kineze da nisu uspeli da prate njen putnicki Boeing. Godinu dana kasnije u Juznom Kineskom moru je kineski brod uspesno lockovao FA-18 patrolne avione iako je EA-18 probao da ga zaslepi. Sledeca vest je da je EA-18 poceo da dobija novu generaciju elektronske opreme... Ipak najzanimljivije je koliko brzo Kinezi napreduju i da li ce taj napredak da se nastavi istom brzinom kada/ako sustignu USA. 1
Peter Fan Posted November 14 Posted November 14 Nedavno smo imali neku mini raspravu o Hong Kongu i zasto propada. Da, rezim zateze stege, ali HK je za Kinu izgubio svrhu od prije 25 godina i to je glavni razlog pada. Iz WSJ: How Beijing Took Control of Hong Kong’s Financial Hub—and Left the West Behind The Harvard-educated Chan spoke in Mandarin, a departure from the exchange’s past practice of speeches being given in English or Cantonese. The language was dictated by a 2-to-1 vote over English by the three Chinese asset managers launching new cryptocurrency funds at the exchange that day. The exchange hadn’t offered simultaneous translation in English or any other language. As red-cloth mallets struck the gongs and trading began, the few Westerners in attendance watched silently. Had they understood a word of Chan’s speech, a reporter asked? No, they shook their heads in unison. In ways big and small, Beijing’s takeover of Hong Kong’s financial sector is looking irreversible. With stunning speed, the world’s pre-eminent East-meets-West investment hub has become more Chinese as international financial institutions, corporations, and expatriates retreat. Foreign banks played major roles in one-fifth of Hong Kong’s initial public offerings this year, compared with roughly half just two years ago. Chinese banks have taken the places of Western ones as top earners in the city’s debt-capital market. Private bankers are increasingly catering to first-generation Chinese millionaires instead of the rich expatriates who made their fortunes in decades past. Corporate recruiters say conversational Mandarin is essential to get hired. A spokesman at the Hong Kong exchange said events and listing ceremonies are held in a bilingual format to the extent possible and are tailored to the preferences of individual issuers. He added that Chan, who became CEO in March, often gives speeches in English. The shift feels dramatic at The Iron Fairies, a cocktail bar a short walk from Hong Kong’s stock exchange that for years had been a go-to haunt for Western bankers. Now it’s dominated by Chinese customers, who favor bottles of whiskey and tequila over individual drinks, said Sandeep Sekhri, chief executive of the firm that runs the bar. The in-house jazz band learned a few Mandarin songs at the beginning of the year, including a 1970s mandopop hit called “The Moon Represents My Heart.” 1 1
Peter Fan Posted November 17 Posted November 17 Zapisnik za Ji - Biden sastanka, kineska vezrija (uklj. podebljani dio): Fourth, we must not challenge the red line and the bottom line. China and the United States are two big countries, and it is inevitable that there will be some contradictions and differences, but they must not harm each other's core interests, let alone engage in conflict and confrontation. The one-China principle and the three Sino-US joint communiques are the political foundation of bilateral relations and must be scrupulously observed. The Taiwan issue, democracy and human rights, the road system and the right to development are China's four red lines, which brook no challenge. These are the most important protective fences and safety nets in the U.S.-China relationship. Spoiler On the afternoon of November 16, local time, President Xi Jinping held a meeting with US President Joe Biden in Lima. Xi Jinping pointed out that in the past four years, although China-US relations have experienced ups and downs, they have also carried out dialogue and cooperation, and overall achieved stability. We guided the teams of the two sides to define some guiding principles for China-US relations through consultations, jointly put dialogue and cooperation between the two countries back on track, restored and established more than 20 communication mechanisms, and achieved positive results in the fields of diplomacy, security, economy and trade, finance, finance, military, anti-narcotics, law enforcement, agriculture, climate change, and people-to-people relations. The experience of the past four years is worth summing up, and the lessons need to be remembered, and I think there are at least the following. On the afternoon of November 16, local time, President Xi Jinping met with U.S. President Joe Biden in Lima. Xinhua News Agency First, it is necessary to have a correct strategic understanding. The "Thucydides trap" is not the fate of history, the "new Cold War" cannot be fought and won, and it is unwise and undesirable to contain China, let alone succeed. The second is to keep what you say and be fruitful in your deeds. A man cannot stand without faith. China does what it says, but if the US always says one thing and does another, it will be very bad for the image of the US and damage mutual trust between the two sides. The third is to treat each other as equals. In the exchanges between China and the United States, neither side can transform the other side according to its own wishes, nor can it suppress the other side from the so-called "position of strength", still less can it deprive the other side of its legitimate development rights in order to maintain its leading position. Fourth, we must not challenge the red line and the bottom line. China and the United States are two big countries, and it is inevitable that there will be some contradictions and differences, but they must not harm each other's core interests, let alone engage in conflict and confrontation. The one-China principle and the three Sino-US joint communiques are the political foundation of bilateral relations and must be scrupulously observed. The Taiwan issue, democracy and human rights, the road system and the right to development are China's four red lines, which brook no challenge. These are the most important protective fences and safety nets in the U.S.-China relationship. Fifth, it is necessary to engage in more dialogue and cooperation. Under the current circumstances, the common interests of China and the United States have not decreased, but have increased. Whether it is in the fields of economy and trade, agriculture, drug control, law enforcement, public health, or facing global challenges such as climate change and artificial intelligence, as well as international hotspot issues, China and the United States need cooperation. China and the United States should lengthen the list of cooperation, make the cake bigger, and achieve win-win cooperation. Sixth, it is necessary to respond to the expectations of the people. The development of China-US relations should always focus on the well-being of the two peoples and bring together the strength of the two peoples. China and the United States need to pave the way for people-to-people exchanges and people-to-people exchanges between the two countries, remove interference and obstacles, and refrain from artificially creating a "chilling effect". Seventh, it is necessary to show the responsibility of a major country. China and the United States should always consider the future and destiny of mankind, take responsibility for world peace, provide public goods for the world, and play an active role in world unity, including engaging in benign interactions, refraining from mutual attrition, and not coercing other countries to take sides. Xi Jinping stressed that the development of China-US relations has confirmed the experience and enlightenment of the 45 years since the establishment of diplomatic relations between China and the United States. If the two countries become partners and seek common ground while reserving differences, Sino-US relations will be able to make great progress. If the other side is treated as an adversary and vicious competition is vile, Sino-US relations will encounter twists and turns or even regression. In today's turbulent world with frequent conflicts, humanity is facing unprecedented challenges. Great power competition should not be the background color of the times, and only through unity and cooperation can we overcome difficulties together. "Decoupling and breaking the chain" is not the solution, and only mutually beneficial cooperation can develop together. "Small courtyards and high walls" are not the actions of a big country, and only open sharing can benefit mankind. The stable development of China-US relations is not only related to the people of the two countries, but also to the future and destiny of mankind. China and the United States should continue to explore the right way for the two major countries to get along, realize the long-term peaceful coexistence of China and the United States on this planet, and inject certainty and positive energy into the world. Xi Jinping stressed that China's commitment to the goal of stable, healthy and sustainable development of China-US relations has not changed, the principles of handling China-US relations in accordance with mutual respect, peaceful coexistence and win-win cooperation have not changed, China's position of firmly safeguarding its sovereignty, security and development interests has not changed, and its desire to continue the traditional friendship between the Chinese and American peoples has not changed. China is ready to continue to maintain dialogue, expand cooperation, manage differences, and continue the hard-won momentum of stabilization in China-US relations. On the afternoon of November 16, local time, President Xi Jinping met with U.S. President Joe Biden in Lima. Xinhua News Agency Xi Jinping clarified China's position on Taiwan, economy, trade, science and technology, cybersecurity, the South China Sea, the Ukraine crisis, and the Korean Peninsula. Xi Jinping stressed that separatist acts of "Taiwan independence" are incompatible with peace and stability in the Taiwan Strait. If the United States wants to maintain peace in the Taiwan Strait, the key is to clearly understand the "Taiwan independence" nature of Lai Qingde and the DPP authorities, handle the Taiwan issue cautiously, clearly oppose "Taiwan independence," and support China's peaceful reunification. The Chinese people's right to development is inalienable and cannot be ignored. All countries have the need to safeguard national security, and they cannot generalize the concept of national security, let alone use it as an excuse to maliciously impose restrictions and suppress other countries. There is neither evidence nor justification for the alleged cyber attacks carried out by China. China itself is a victim of international cyber attacks and has consistently opposed and combated any form of cyber attacks. China resolutely upholds its territorial sovereignty and maritime rights and interests in the South China Sea. Dialogue and consultation between the parties is always the best way to manage disputes in the South China Sea. The United States should not get involved in bilateral disputes over Nansha islands and reefs, and should not condone and support provocative impulses. China's position and actions on the Ukraine issue have always been above board, that is, it has been working through good offices, promoting peace talks, campaigning for peace, and de-escalating the situation. China will not allow war and chaos on the Korean Peninsula to erupt, and will not sit idly by and watch China's strategic security and core interests be threatened. Biden said that the U.S.-China relationship, as the most important bilateral relationship in the world, is not only about the people of the two countries, but also about the future of the world. Ensuring that U.S.-China competition does not degenerate into conflict is a responsibility of the U.S. and Chinese governments to their two peoples and to the world. Over the past four years, the United States and China have worked together to restore and establish a number of dialogue and communication channels, including regular strategic communication between the diplomatic and security teams of both sides, and candid and in-depth dialogue, which have played a useful role in enhancing mutual understanding between the two sides. In particular, since our meeting in San Francisco a year ago, the two sides have achieved tangible results in the areas of military, anti-narcotics, law enforcement, artificial intelligence, climate change, and people-to-people exchanges. The U.S. and China support each other's hosting of the 2026 APEC Leaders' Meeting and the G20 Leaders' Summit demonstrate the benefits that U.S.-China cooperation can bring to people. The United States does not seek a "new Cold War," does not seek to change China's system, does not seek to oppose China through strengthening alliances, does not support "Taiwan independence," does not seek conflict with China, and does not use the Taiwan issue to compete with China. The United States will continue to pursue the one-China policy. The United States is ready to strengthen communication and dialogue with China during the transition period, enhance mutual understanding, and manage differences responsibly. The two Presidents reaffirmed their seven-point consensus on the guiding principles of U.S.-China relations: mutual respect, peaceful coexistence, communication, conflict prevention, adherence to the UN Charter, cooperation in areas of common interest, and responsible management of competitive factors in the bilateral relationship. The two sides are willing to uphold these principles and continue to stabilize China-US relations and achieve a smooth transition. The two heads of state spoke positively of the important role of China-US strategic communication, regular contacts between diplomatic and security teams, and dialogue mechanisms in the fields of militaries, economy, trade, and finance, and agreed to continue to maintain the momentum of communication and strengthen macroeconomic policy coordination. The two heads of state reviewed the positive progress made in dialogue and cooperation in the fields of anti-narcotics, climate change, artificial intelligence, and people-to-people exchanges since the San Francisco Summit. According to the two Heads of State, the two sides had a frank and constructive dialogue on AI governance, co-sponsored their respective resolutions on AI at the UN General Assembly, recognizing the need to strengthen international cooperation to promote AI for good and the need to maintain the decision that humanity should control the use of nuclear weapons. The two heads of state held that the meeting was frank and in-depth and constructive, and they were willing to continue to maintain communication and contact. Cai Qi, Wang Yi and others attended the meeting. https://www.guancha.cn/internation/2024_11_17_755645.shtml 3
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