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[urkozamanje]

Mislis mozgovi ljudi koji se po difoltu pale na big guns i ciji bi zivoti prakticno dobili smisao ako se malo zarati? 

[Budja]

53 minutes ago, urkozamanje said:

Mislis mozgovi ljudi koji se po difoltu pale na big guns i ciji bi zivoti prakticno dobili smisao ako se malo zarati? 

 

Moguce da generali prave razliku izmedju "malo" zarati da udahnu malo baruta i "mnogo" zarati.

[namenski]

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La guerre ! C’est une chose trop grave pour la confier à des militaires. 

 

Georges Clemenceau

[Filozof manijak]

kakvo je stanje trenutno, još je gore ako se rat poveri političarima. Na kraju će vojnici ispasti i najrazumniji 

[namenski]

 

[urkozamanje]

Malo je i problem sto polako umire generacija onih koji su ono sto prizeljkuju videli iz prve ruke. A ovi sto kao jesu (poslednjih par decenija) su uglavnom to sve ili vodili "daljinski" ili kroz proksije. 

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[Ayatollah]

On 3.10.2018. at 5:56, Redoran said:

 

Ministar unutrašnjih dela SAD, na nekom iventu^tm rekao da su SAD u stanju da, ako ustreba, uspostave pomorsku blokadu Rusije i tako spreče da njeni energenti izađu na tržište.

 

Gde je to rečeno, daj mi link molim te. U najužoj konkurenciji za Tupana Decenije...

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[Redoran]

On 4.10.2018. at 10:18, Ayatollah said:

Gde je to rečeno, daj mi link molim te. U najužoj konkurenciji za Tupana Decenije...

 

Vidi ovde. Mainstream je u potpunosti izignorisao izjavu.

 

Mi se sad smejemo i kandidujemo ga za tupana decenije. Sledeća izjava će isto tako proći, verovatno i još par njih posle nje. Tamo negde od šestog-sedmog takvog nastupa, polako će i mainstream da krene da to preuzima. Posle recimo desete izjave koncept će se, sulud kakav jeste, naći na dnevnom redu nekog bezveznog zasedanja nekog bezveznog komiteta. Posle dvadesete izjave neko će da iscima neki vojni komitet da mu razradi konkretan scenario, onako čisto da se ima u arhivi. Tako materijal za tupana decenije polagano uđe u sistem i tamo se ugnezdi kao realna i razrađena opcija čije aktiviranje sad samo zavisi od stanja uma nekog političara odnosno od prostora koji će neki general imati da mu kaže da je opcija potpuno suluda i da treba pod hitno da otpusti savetnika koji mu je tu opciju dao u razmatranje.

[Redoran]

On 4.10.2018. at 0:06, urkozamanje said:

Mislis mozgovi ljudi koji se po difoltu pale na big guns i ciji bi zivoti prakticno dobili smisao ako se malo zarati? 

 

Koliko god da zvuči paradoksalno, upravo na njih mislim. Paljevina na big guns podrazumeva i veoma dobro upoznavanje sa onim što ostaje iza big guns kada isti progovore. To upoznavanje je kod mnogih generala danas samo teoretsko jer ga nikada nisu videli u praksi - ali čak i to ih čini daleko pouzdanijim faktorom od retardiranih političara koji nemaju čak ni približnu predstavu o tome šta big guns znače i šta ostavljaju iza sebe, niti im je jasno da druga strana takođe ima big guns.

 

Ili da svedem ovo na konkretna imena: big guns i odgovornost za iste bih uvek i u svakoj varijanti radije poverio Valeriju Gerasimovu i Džimu Matisu - koji vrhunski i briljantno* troluju jedan drugog u Siriji - nego Šojguu ili onom degeneriku Pompeu.

 

* posmatrano sa čisto vojničke/taktičke strane i nevezano za onolike živote koje to trolovanje odnosi

[Demonquill]

Galerija Damaska danas

 

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2018/oct/23/normality-returns-to-parts-of-damascus-after-fighting-ends

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Ruska agencija RIA novosti objavila je ranije večeras da su snage protivvazdušne odbrane Sirije oborile izraelski vojni avion.

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neko oborio nečiji avion

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Mozda je neko oborio nista.

[Krošek]

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/WSJ/ U.S. Military Preparing for a Full Withdrawal of Its Forces From Syria

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WASHINGTON—The U.S. military is preparing to withdraw its forces from Syria, people familiar with the matter said Wednesday, a move that marks an abrupt reversal /Dunford: No withdrawal date in sight for US troops in Syria/ of the American military strategy in the Middle East.

U.S. officials began informing partners in northeastern Syria of their plans to begin an immediate pullout of American forces from the region where they have been trying to wrap up the campaign against Islamic State, the people said.

“The Pentagon has an order to move troops out of Syria as quickly as possible,” a U.S. official said.

U.S. military officials have refused to say what a withdrawal timeline could look like.

The White House didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment on the move. But President Trump wrote on Twitter Wednesday morning that “We have defeated ISIS in Syria, my only reason for being there during the Trump Presidency.”

The move follows a call last week between Mr. Trump and Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who has threatened to launch an assault on America’s Kurdish partners in Syria.

Mr. Erdogan steadfastly opposed the American partnership with Kurdish forces in Syria that he views as a terrorist force intent on destabilizing Turkey. But the U.S. has relied on the Kurdish forces as the most effective fighting force in Syria against Islamic State, which has been pushed to the brink of defeat.

The U.S. has long sought to reconcile the two seemingly incompatible goals that the president has sought in Syria. On the one hand, Mr. Trump has pushed to withdraw all U.S. forces from Syria, where more than 2,000 service members are working alongside Syrian militants to defeat Islamic State. On the other, he’s embraced a strategy that calls for American forces to remain in Syria as a deterrent to Iran’s expansive military ambitions.

Officially, the U.S. military has no authority to battle Iran in Syria. Their mission has been to defeat Islamic State and ensure the militant group that once controlled large swaths of Syria and Iraq is unable to regroup.

That task is largely complete. Islamic State has been effectively cornered in a small stretch of Syrian territory along the Iraq border, where the U.S. military estimates about 2,000 fighters have managed to hold off complete defeat for months.

Earlier this year, the Pentagon said that Islamic State controlled less than 2% of the territory it once held in the Middle East, sparking a vow from Mr. Trump to get all U.S. forces out of Syria in a matter of months.

“We’ll be coming out of Syria, like, very soon,” he said in the spring. “I want to get out. I want to bring our troops back home.”

But the pullout also comes amid abiding worries about the continued influence of Iran in Syria. Mr. Trump’s national security team pushed back and persuaded the president to embrace an open-ended strategy that would make sure Islamic State couldn’t rise again—and use the military as leverage to force Iran to withdraw its forces from Syria.

The U.S. sent in diplomatic teams to help rebuild northeastern Syria as the military set up new outposts on the country’s border with Turkey, which views them as an effort to shield America’s Kurdish partners from an attack by Turkish forces.

Earlier this month, Mr. Erdogan moved Turkish military forces to the border and threatened to attack the Kurdish forces within days.

Mr. Trump and Mr. Erdogan spoke last Friday, and the discussions about withdrawing U.S. forces moved rapidly.

In recent weeks, the U.S. military has ramped up its strikes against suspected ISIS targets in the middle Euphrates River Valley in anticipation of a possible Turkish incursion into Syria that likely would pull U.S. ground partners off the anti-ISIS fight, defense officials said.

Between Dec. 2-8, the U.S.-led coalition launched 251 strikes against Iraq and Syria, almost all of those in Syria, compared with 90 the previous week. Between Dec. 9 and 15, that figure jumped to 378, according to statistics provided by the coalition.

“We substantially increased the strikes because we were trying to put as much pressure on ISIS as we could,” a U.S. defense official said.

Earlier this month, Marine Gen. Joseph Dunford, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, suggested that the U.S. mission in Syria was far from complete, saying ISIS hadn’t been defeated and that only 20% of the needed local forces had been trained so far.

“With regard to stabilization, we have a long way to go,” Gen. Dunford saidat a Washington Post live event.

The U.S. military has repeatedly called the Syrian Democratic Forces, an alliance of largely Kurdish and Arab resistance fighters, the most effective ground force in Syria in the war against ISIS. The SDF has been on the front lines of some of the most important battles against ISIS, including the demise of the terror group’s self-proclaimed capital, the city of Raqqa.

Yet the relationship between the SDF and the U.S.-backed coalition has always been tenuous, what some even characterized as a marriage of convenience. Kurdish members of the SDF sought greater U.S. backing in its efforts to thwart Turkish threats and solidify its territorial claims in the region, yet the U.S. military never said how much it would support the SDF after the defeat of ISIS, raising fears it would abandon its partners.

The U.S. withdrawal will not only affect the fight against ISIS but U.S. attempts to keep eyes on growing Iranian influence in Syria. Among the places U.S. troops were deployed was near the city of al-Tanf, close to where Iranian-backed forces also operated.

“We don’t have a counter-Iranian mission here. We have a defeat-ISIS mission,” Army Gen. Joseph Votel said in October, while visiting al-Tanf. “But I do recognize that our presence, our development of partners and relationships down here does have an indirect effect on some malign activities that Iran and their various proxies and surrogates would like to pursue down here.”

 

 

The SDF is among the most immediately impacted by the U.S. decision, as they likely will be targeted by Turkey in the absence of their American backers. And, critics charge, the U.S. withdrawal will create an opening for extremist groups to operate in Syria.

 

“The negative impact of this decision on America’s credibility is hard to overstate,” said Jenny Cafarella, a Syria analyst at the Washington-based Institute for the Study of War. “The SDF now has little choice but to seek an accommodation with the Assad regime or face possible defeat by Turkey. The SDF is so vulnerable without American assistance that Assad may not even think he needs to negotiate with them. He could decide instead to attack,”

“An uneasy peace will not emerge in Syria.,” Ms. Cafarella said. “The U.S. hands a victory to both al Qaeda and ISIS by abandoning the Syrian people to Assad, Iran, and Russia. These jihadist groups will continue to fight, and can now credibly say they represent the only meaningful resistance to Assad’s tyranny.”

 

 

 

/BBC/ Syria conflict: US announces withdrawal of troops

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Image copyright AFP Image caption Around 2,000 US troops are believed to be stationed in Syria

The White House has confirmed US troops are being withdrawn from Syria, after President Trump said the Islamic State (IS) group had been "defeated" there.

The Trump administration said the US stood ready with its allies "to re-engage at all levels to defend American interests whenever necessary".

Some 2,000 troops have helped rid much of north-eastern Syria of IS, but pockets of fighters remain.

It had been thought defence officials wanted to maintain a US presence.

Just a few days ago, Brett McGurk, Mr Trump's special presidential envoy for the global coalition to defeat IS, said: "Nobody is saying that [IS fighters] are going to disappear. Nobody is that naive. So we want to stay on the ground and make sure that stability can be maintained in these areas".

But President Trump promised earlier this year that US troops would leave Syria "very soon".

The confirmation of the withdrawal comes after Turkey said it was preparing to launch an operation against a US-backed Kurdish militia in northern Syria, something that risks confrontation with the US.

Chaotic US policy?

Jonathan Marcus, BBC diplomatic correspondent

President Trump's decision reverses the official lines of both the Pentagon and the State Department and it places Washington's Kurdish allies in greater jeopardy.

US ground operations in north-eastern Syria involve some 2,000 troops, maybe more, and a network of bases and air strips has been established. But to what strategic end?

IS is well on the way to being defeated. Syria's President Assad remains in place. If the goal now is to contain Iran or Russia's rising influence in the region then 2,000 troops strung out across a vast swathe of territory may be too small a force to do this.

Their presence though does give the US "skin in the game". And many will see this decision as yet another indication of the chaos and uncertainty surrounding US policy towards this crucial region.

What is the US presence?

US troops have largely been stationed in the Kurdish region in northern Syria.

The partnership with Syrian Kurdish and Arab fighters (the Syrian Democratic Forces) is credited with virtually eliminating IS after it overran large swathes of Syria four years ago, imposing a brutal rule on almost eight million people across Iraq and Syria.

However, the militant group has not disappeared entirely. A recent US report said there were still as many as 14,000 IS militants in Syria and even more in neighbouring Iraq - and there is a fear they will shift to guerrilla tactics in an attempt to rebuild their network.

But the partnership between the US and the Kurds has enraged neighbouring Turkey, which views Kurdish YPG forces - the main fighting force in the SDF - as an extension of a banned Kurdish group fighting for autonomy in Turkey.

On Monday, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said his country might soon start a new military operation against the YPG in Syria.

Mr Erdogan added that he had discussed his plan with Mr Trump by telephone and that he had given a "positive response".

In addition to the northern deployment, US forces are also helping fight IS in the last pocket of territory it controls in the south-east of the country.

Edited December 19, 2018 by Krošek