Oilopoly

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ovaj, mi smo ovde skocili da eraseru objasnjavamo stetnost frakinga, a njega zapravo zabole. to mu je trebalo da digne moral ukrajinskoj vojsci (na forumu), a inace ga boli kurac. i sad mozemo jos nekoliko strana da pobijamo njegove propagandne brosure na koje je naisao posle 2 clicka na googletu ko mladi majmuni.

Da, nisam znao da imas doktorat iz oblasti ekologije pa mozes o ovoj temi tako sa visine da razgovaras.

 

Naveo sam jednu relevantnu studiju i vise argumenata koji govore u prilog tome da fraking nije onoliko opasan koliko se predstavlja i da uz prave mere moze biti proces kojim ce se dobijati energija.

 

Sad ti mozes da nastavis da drzis ruke na usima i vices lalalala a mozes i da razgovaras.

[Braća Strugacki]

Naveo sam jednu relevantnu studiju i vise argumenata koji govore u prilog tome da fraking nije onoliko opasan koliko se predstavlja i da uz prave mere moze biti proces kojim ce se dobijati energija.

 

 

 

nije relevantna

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nije relevantna

Zasto nije?

[Braća Strugacki]

zato što ne može da nipodaštava ulogu metana na primer

 

iz načina kako zanemaruje metan se vidi da je tendenciozno napisano

 

analiza je na nivou botovskog komentara vučića

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Studija CMUa se bavi vodom.

Edited June 21, 2014 by Eraserhead

[Braća Strugacki]

joj 

 

drž se ozbiljnih tema, pusti fraking

[Miralem]

sto ga teras sa teme, vidis da hoce da razgovarate. ti rec, on rec, ti malo negde popustis, on malo popusti i na kraju se nadjete negde na sredini, tome sluzi forum, nemoj da si iskljuciv.

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[Hella mod on]Imate li vi, ekološki hipsteri, neko rešenje koje bi zaštitilo profitni motiv korporacija ili su sve što imate štreberske hipoteze o štetnosti frekinga za okruženje? Zašto interes planete Zemlje i života na njoj zaslužuje da bude ispred interesa kapitalista?[/Hella mod off]

[Eraserhead]

sto ga teras sa teme, vidis da hoce da razgovarate. ti rec, on rec, ti malo negde popustis, on malo popusti i na kraju se nadjete negde na sredini, tome sluzi forum, nemoj da si iskljuciv.

 

Zamisli, razgovor hahahaha... Argumentima hihihi... Pa se mozda negde stavovi priblize hohoho... Znam, tebi potpuno nepoznat koncept.

[Miralem]

da stvarno sam slepac. eto, nesto ekoloski katastrofalno moze da postane cisto i neskodljivo, organic jbt, samo uz malo napora. ako ucesnici imaju dovoljno strpljenja i dobre volje o svacemu se mogu dogovoriti. da je more zeleno, srbija svetski prvak u fudbalu a nesa slina stvarno doktor nauka. magija!

[Braća Strugacki]

ma ovde je problem postavljeno pitanje, kao kada bi otvorio temu da li haarp u barajevu utiče mnogo ili malo na ljude

 

e sad, što ga tamo nema da zanemarimo, a i da ga ima ne radi to što kažemo, ali i to da zanemarimo

 

pa ne može

 

u početnoj postavci, kada razmatra metan autor kaže, da upola manja emisija co2 štiti okolinu, tako da možemo da zanemarimo metan koji se stvara procesom

 

pa super, a to što metan ima daleko veći efekat od co2, hm, pa to nećemo da pomenemo i onda je sve ok

 

a možemo i zarez da pomerimo za jedno, dva mesta, bar sa tim imamo iskustva

[Zaz_pi]

Hormone-disrupting activity of fracking chemicals worse than initially found

 

Mada politicare ne brinu previse ovakve stvari jer oni razmisljaju najduze 8-10 godina. Njih zanimaju mnogo vise finansije, koje nisu bas najlepse kod skriljaca ali kada se nema drugog...

[Prospero]

Mislio sam da okačim na ukrajinsku temu ali je možda zanimljivije da bude ovde:
 

ROSNEFT INTRODUCES FORCE MAJEURE — HOW TO SHOOT DOWN STEALTH SANCTIONS WITH A PAPER DART




By John Helmer, Moscow


In the New York and London markets brokers and bankers explain that they are being discreetly called by US Treasury officials with this message: buying Russian equity or debt paper is legal, but in the event there is a new round of sanctions, it will be illegal to re-sell them, so there can be no profit in Russian assets. The market is calling this campaign “stealth sanctions”. It is an attack on the international market for Russian corporations, and on the international currency and security clearance systems on which the market depends.

According to the highest UK and European courts — reported here on March 25 — the type of formal sanctions which the US and the EU have already introduced are likely to be found illegal, if they are challenged in court. Stealth sanctions are more difficult to substantiate in court -– and also financially much more damaging. Until now, there has been no Russian retaliation for the sanctions, and no litigation.

Yesterday, Igor Sechin, chief executive of Rosneft, said in a television interview with a New York network: “The sanctions have been discussed a lot and I would like us to abstain from this discussion because the more we talk about the sanctions, the more important they seem. I am trying to put myself in the shoes of those people who introduce sanctions and I believe that there should be some purpose of the sanctions and some justification of them.” The mention of purpose and justification is also a discreet reference to the court judgements in London and Strasbourg.

“I cannot understand any justification or basis for taking the sanctions. I don’t think that my active cooperation with the American companies that is aimed at ensuring mutual profit could be a basis for sanctions…serious people should not take any serious decisions under pressure.”



The American interviewer missed the hint; he didn’t know of the court judgements against sanctions. He repeated his question. “Do you fear that your cooperation with American companies will be threatened by a next round of sanctions, which has been talked about it will affect technology and the energy sector and it would hurt your relationships with your American partners?” Sechin (above left) replied: “When I started answering your question on sanctions I said it would be better for us not to discuss this issue. Now you are trying to develop this topic. By doing this, you are trying to give more significance to the sanctions.”

The interviewer missed altogether the significance of Sechin’s warning, as he went on.

“There’s another principle that seems very important to us, and that requires the attention from the entire oil industry and this is the guarantee of honouring the contractual obligations by all parties. We think this is a critical thing and especially now because the political risks are aggravating this year. We think that the power industry, as well as the food industry, are so sensitive that taking some political decisions and sanctions with regard to these particular industries are counter-productive and they are incurring significant damage to both consumers and producers. And therefore we suggested to our colleagues that we should include various political sanctions among force majeure. Because previously the force majeure circumstances did not include potential political sanctions. And it is very important because it would give the company a tool not to write off the money as losses.”

That is the first official Russian warning that if the US keeps up the sanctions pressure, major Russian corporations will retaliate. Sechin’s spokesman at Rosneft declines to say whether Rosneft is prepared to go into international court to attack the legality of US sanctions, and seek injunctions, as well as the threat of damages, for those who accept the US Treasury demands outside US jurisdiction.

Sechin’s warning contains a threat that is more immediate and direct than litigation. It’s a price hike for buyers of Rosneft oil, and for the banks preparing to refinance $20 billion in Rosneft debt. Since Sechin says he is already writing into Rosneft contracts an expanded proviso for force majeure, he is proposing to add a premium for US Treasury risk into Rosneft’s pricing. That’s what is meant by “a tool not to write off the money as losses.”

The US attempt to exercise jurisdiction beyond its borders was also, discreetly, slapped down. “There’s another thing that requires discussion, this is the improvement of the arbitration system. And because if the country where the arbitration court is located during the political sanctions, it is not likely that the arbitration would be objective. And so the special attention to fulfil a contractual obligation is a key to the operations of the oil industry. Because I should mention that the investment cycles in the oil industry are much longer than election cycles. And this determines our responsibility. And in any case, we need to ensure the fulfilment of contractual applications. And I think that this is a key thing and our colleagues understand it. And the forum once again proved the high level of trust that high corporate culture and the existence of what I would call, a corporate club.”

Sechin’s carefully prepared warning slipped past CNBC’s grasp. It hasn’t been detected by the Wall Street Journal, Bloomberg, or the Financial Times – all of them editorially backing the sanctions campaign. An international company source observes that Sechin’s declaration of force majeure hasn’t escaped the attention of the US oil majors. “He’s putting Exxon under pressure,” the source said. “We will try to demonstrate our efficiency in our activities,” Sechin added, “including the work of American companies. In my opinion, this is the only option of good response to this type of actions.”

An international banker warns that the US stealth sanctions over Ukraine are now doing damage globally, and not just to Russian corporate targets. “The extension of jurisdiction to other countries, the threats, the whispering – all these things are adding sharply to the cost of trade risk and of bank financing for trade everywhere, as well as corporate refinancing. The US Treasury is signalling the beginning of the end of globalization.”

by John Helmer - Friday, June 20th, 2014

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da stvarno sam slepac. eto, nesto ekoloski katastrofalno moze da postane cisto i neskodljivo, organic jbt, samo uz malo napora. ako ucesnici imaju dovoljno strpljenja i dobre volje o svacemu se mogu dogovoriti. da je more zeleno, srbija svetski prvak u fudbalu a nesa slina stvarno doktor nauka. magija!

 

Pa dijalog je upravo ovo toga da li je to ekoloski katastrofalno ili nije. Odnosno, da li postoji mogucnost da se negativne posledice drze na prihvatljivoj meri uz koriscenje resursa.

[Miralem]

ovo ce verovatno srusiti premise na kojima tvoj svet pociva... neko to mora da ti kaze, pa je najbolje da to budem ja. dakle, ovako: ako je nesto stetno, crveno, cvrsto ili duguljasto, ono ce takvo da ostane ma kolko ti diskutovao o njemu. nece se menjati sa tokom razgovora, kako ti zamisljas.