Egipat - vojska, muslimanska braća, puč

[Hella]

da li sam ja los covek

nisi, ali si sisa. (ja im želim da tenkista slučajno ubaci u prvu)edit:pih, stoji postrance. Edited August 16, 2013 by Hella

[Prospero]

EU diplomat: Egyptian army rejected peace plan15.08.13 @ 09:19By Andrew RettmanBRUSSELS - The EU's special envoy to the Middle East, Bernardino Leon, has said the Egyptian army rejected a peace deal with the Muslim Brotherhood a few hours before the killing in Cairo began.He told Reuters that he and US diplomat William Burns in recent days brokered an agreement between the military and the brothers on how to end their month-long sit-ins in two city squares."We had a political plan that was on the table, that had been accepted by the other side [the brotherhood] … They [the army] could have taken this option. So all that has happened today was unnecessary," he said.He noted that he made a final appeal on the peace plan to military chiefs "hours" before they ordered the assault, at 7am local time on Wednesday (14 August), using armoured bulldozers and live ammunition against people in tent camps.For her part, EU foreign relations chief Catherine Ashton made three statements as events unfolded.The first one, issued by a spokesman at noon, called on all sides to show restraint.The second one, a few hours later, urged "security forces to exercise utmost restraint" and told protesters to "avoid further provocations and escalation."The final statement, on Wednesday evening, called on the army to "exercise utmost restraint," with no mention of the protesters' role.By the time the third one came out, 638 people, including 43 policemen, were dead, and 3,572 people were injured, according to Egyptian authorities. More than 2,000 protesters had been killed, according to a pro-brotherhood group, the Egypt Anti-Coup Alliance.The dead include Asmaa el-Beltagy, the 17-year-old daughter of a Muslim Brotherhood leader, Mohamed el-Beltagy, who was himself arrested the same day. They also include Mick Deane, a 61-year-old British cameraman for Sky News.The army later imposed a state of emergency which is to last one month. It also imposed a curfew, which expired at 6am on Thursday.Reports indicate that Cairo is calm on Thursday morning.But Anu Pulkkinen, Finland's top diplomat in the city, told Finnish press the atmosphere is "extremely unstable" and that it is hard to move around due to army checkpoints. More violence?Despite the crackdown, the National Alliance to Support Legitimacy, another pro-brotherhood group, has called for fresh, nationwide, protests.The brothers' el-Beltagy, shortly before his arrest, compared the situation to the civil war in Syria.The resignation from government of Mohamed ElBaradei, the leader of Egypt's liberal movement, which had previously backed the army, also signals a splintering of political forces."The beneficiaries of what happened today are the preachers of violence and terrorism, the most extremist groups," he said in an open letter.With some Muslims attacking Christian churches in the belief that Christians and Western states are in league with the army, ElBaradei added that Egypt's "social fabric [is] in danger of tearing."Washington has echoed the EU in criticising the Egyptian military."The United States strongly condemns the use of violence against protesters in Egypt … We have repeatedly called on the Egyptian military and security forces to show restraint," a White House spokesman said.But neither the US or the EU has spoken of suspending financial aid to the post-coup state or of other action.German foreign minister Guido Westerwelle said, while visiting Tunisia, it is too early to create a new EU policy.Britain's William Hague "condemned the use of force in clearing protests," but said nothing on funding.France's Laurent Fabius appealed to "all parties" to end confrontation. Italy's Emma Bonino called on the military to avoid another "bloodbath." But neither one said what their governments might do. Denmark blocks aidMeanwhile, Denmark and Norway took the lead in terms of reactions.Denmark suspended two bilateral aid programmes worth €30 million and Norway has halted arms sales to Egypt.The strongest statements came from two Islamic powers in the region.Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan blamed Thursday's deaths on Western "silence" about the Egyptian army's unseating of brotherhood President Mohamed Morsi in July and on earlier killings of Muslim brothers."It is clear that the international community, by supporting the military coup, and remaining silent over previous massacres ... has encouraged the current administration to carry out today's intervention," he said.Echoing the brotherhood's el-Beltagy on Syria, Iran's foreign ministry said: "Undoubtedly, the current approach ... strengthens the likelihood of civil war in this great Islamic country."This story was updated to cite Egypt's latest official figures on the death toll

[MancMellow]

Dobar tekst o motivima SA

Saudi Arabia is putting its full weight behind the Egyptian military coup that promises to end all Islamist politics and relieve Saudi Arabia of the menace of one of its most popular Islamist movements. A blow to the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood organization is believed to undermine all affiliate branches, destroy their popularity and, most important, end the era of Islamism across the Arab world. While awaiting the final death of Islamism, Saudi Arabia also has at its disposal a local Salafist trend that abhors the Muslim Brotherhood, considered a competitive, divisive and dangerous trend. The Muslim Brotherhood undermines Salafist monopoly over the religious and political scene, not to mention educational and social institutions.Yet, the real danger to Saudi Arabia is not the multiple isms Egypt has previously exported. In fact, a stable democratic Egypt will be the ultimate threat that will reverberate across the region and set a precedent that many Saudis will carefully observe.

http://www.al-monito...over-egypt.html Edited August 16, 2013 by MancMellow

[Аврам Гојић]

Predvidjam da ce popodne poceti prvi organizovani oruzani okrsaji u Kairu.

[Turnbull]

The Guardian

As we examine the debris of Wednesday's massacre (where mounting casualty numbers are suggesting more than 1,000 deaths), there are two parties in today's power struggle. On one side is the ancien regime and its liberal allies – that small core of revolutionaries opposed to the Brotherhood and the politicking Salafi parties. On the other side is the Muslim Brotherhood and its supporters, including pro-legitimacy liberals who refused to broker the idea that votes suddenly counted for nothing. The irony for some is that it is the Islamist side that is upholding the legitimacy of the ballot box and the commitment to a civil state.During the elected government's year-long term some said that the ballot box was not enough and that Morsi was not inclusive enough, but the fact remains that the ballot box is an essential part of the democratic process. Politically, what Egypt lacked during its experiment in democracy was a loyal opposition. Instead, the opposition that came together under the umbrella of the National Salvation Front decided to back a military coup.

[Takeshi]

iz ekipe koja je bila medju glavnima u organizaciji "arapskog proleca" u egiptu i protesta na tahriru:Statement from the Egyptian Revolutionary Socialists on the Massacre in Cairo

The bloody dissolution of the sit-ins in Al-Nahda Square and Raba'a al-Adawiyya is nothing but a massacre—prepared in advance. It aims to liquidate the Muslim Brotherhood. But, it is also part of a plan to liquidate the Egyptian Revolution and restore the military-police state of the Mubarak regime.

[MancMellow]

Procitah, ta ekipa izdaje najsmislenija saopstenja od svih dole. I posle onog prvog masovnog ubijanja je isto izdala odlicno saopstenje.

[MayDay]

MB pozvao na novi marš pre 1h. Pakao.

[Аврам Гојић]

Upravo je zavrsena podnevna molitva, sada se krece iz dzamija na proteste.

[Muwan]

Tahrir je zatvoren sa svih strana, nekoliko kolona ide ka Ramsesu. U toku je sahrana Asme Al-Beltagi.U međuvremenu:

Egyptian authorities Friday made amendments to foreign journalists' accreditation in Egypt, giving accreditation with the approval of intelligence and Ministry of Internal Affairs. In a statement released by Turkish Directorate General of Press and Information on Friday, it was stated that a new implementation was in force for foreign journalists visiting Egypt as of August 15, 2013. "No foreign journalist will be accredited without the approval of Egyptian General Intelligence Service, Ministry of Interior and Office of Military Intelligence Services and temporary admission permit will not be granted unless permission is given for the equipments they will bring along," the statement said.

[Аврам Гојић]

Vec su poceli sukobi,

[Прслин]

Nisam siguran ko je tačno osetljiv na crkve. Forumsko muslimansko bratstvo, kako si ga nazvao...

Ако тако тумачиш ону моју примедбу, онда испада да сам у истој реченици Савиндана, Васића и себе назвао монофизитским братством, што је једнако блесаво као и ово за шта ме оптужујеш. И хајде лепо да прекинемо ову препирку или нека је неко сплитује са овог топика.

Иначе, одлучио сам да тестирам своје ставове о Египту у РЛ. Рачунам, ако ми пет људи овде каже да сам пијан можда би требало да кренем да се ваљам. У, како сам се зајебао!Одем код зубара, рутинска интервенција, знам га 20 година. Он вишедеценијски антислобистички кругодвојкаш, рачунам безбедно је да причамо о Египту. Одмах се сложимо да су наши туристи стока, али у трећој реченици он крене да прича о томе како за муслимане није демократија, ја се не сложим, у два корака стигнемо до француских фудбалера, ја причам како играју за Француску, он одмах скочи како Бензема диже џамију. Наравно, после фудбала иде Косово: он каже како је супер што смо га дали јер шта би са "овима" у скупштини. Ту већ крене свађа, ја кренем да му објашњавам да би било боље да имамо 25% Албанаца у Скупштини и Косово у Србији него да нам отимају Косово и да ратујемо, он види да смо се превише поџапали па да искулира крене да хвали Вучића Ја ту начисто попиздим и кренем да причам како је то нови Милошевић, он ми каже да ћу за годину дана да дођем да му се извињавам што сам грешио, ја га питам да неће да ме неко хапси ако одбијем да се извиним и ако и даље будем мислио да је овај шизофреничар и кретен... Ма, катастрофа. На крају се покупи човек и оде, зуб ми завршила медицинска сестра. И ево, седим овде, боли ме вилица и питам се што не идете мало на улицу да случајним пролазницима објасните своје ставове уместо што по форуму мене, жртву борбе за мултикултуралност, демократију и људска права, оптужујете за екстремизам. <_<

Edited August 16, 2013 by Праслин

[Anduril]

Dobar tekst o motivima SA[/size][/font][/color][/size][/font][/color]http://www.al-monito...over-egypt.html

Da podsetim sta sam napisao za Sisija kad su ga imenovali - bivsi vojni atase u KSA.KSA je najvece zlo na Bliskom istoku a i sire.

[MancMellow]

@PraslinGreska No.1 - svadjas se sa zubarom koji ti u tom momentu kopa po vilici. Jako neiskusno.

Edited August 16, 2013 by MancMellow

[SNARC]

@PraslinGreska No.1 - svadjas se sa zubarom koji ti u tom momentu kopa po vilici. Jako neiskusno.

Car koji me je u vreme razlaza radikala vozio od Cacka do Beograda pitao me je sta mislim o Seselju, Tomi, na ciju li ce stranu Vucic. Trebalo mi je strpljenja i vestine da mu objasnim da me politika ne zanima i da to ne pratim..sve vreme pazeci da se ne ujedem za jezik izjavom "Svi su oni isti"edit - u Egiptu krece zagrevanje...jedan policajac je ubijen Edited August 16, 2013 by SNARC