Meazza Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/india-leads-world-in-share-of-women-airline-pilots-twice-as-much-as-us-1911889 India has the highest proportion of female commercial pilots in the world at 12 percent. The percentage of female pilots in India is twice as high as in most Western countries, including the United States and Australia. Globally, less than 5 percent of pilots are women, according to the International Society of Women Airline Pilots.
Leia Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 Just now, Meazza said: Ne, ja pitam zasto je u Skandinaviji tako. Jer diskutujemo. Zato te pitam da li imas neku ideju? Koja tvrdnja? Pa tvrdnja da patrijarhat nije faktor, da zene prosto tako prirodno biraju. Za Skandinaviju mogu da nagadjam, verovatno koliko i ti. Mozda generalno i nisu zapravo toliko liberalni koliko mislimo, ali su im feministkinje glasne i niko ih ne obuzdava i ne maze blatom pa se njihov glas vise cuje i niko im se agresivno ne suprotstavlja kao u Srbiji recimo. Meni je upecatljiv utisak bio u Helsinkiju recimo koliko veoma mladih parova sa decom mozes videti, znaci generalno nije prioritet da se juri neka karijera.
Weenie Pooh Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Leia said: Pa tvrdnja da patrijarhat nije faktor, da zene prosto tako prirodno biraju. Patrijarhatom objašnjavaš sve ovo? Ili tvrdiš da je gender disparity kod svih ostalih poslova prosto tako prirodna pojava, samo je u IT patrijaršijskim dekretom uspostavljen?
Meazza Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Leia said: Pa tvrdnja da patrijarhat nije faktor, da zene prosto tako prirodno biraju. Za Skandinaviju mogu da nagadjam, verovatno koliko i ti. Mozda generalno i nisu zapravo toliko liberalni koliko mislimo, ali su im feministkinje glasne i niko ih ne obuzdava i ne maze blatom pa se njihov glas vise cuje i niko im se agresivno ne suprotstavlja kao u Srbiji recimo. Meni je upecatljiv utisak bio u Helsinkiju recimo koliko veoma mladih parova sa decom mozes videti, znaci generalno nije prioritet da se juri neka karijera. Zakljucak (ne tvrdnja) studije je da nejednakost izbora zanimanja veca u drustvima u kojima je drzava ucinila najvise na jednakosti polova. Mozda Skandinavci nisu liberalni, a mozda postoje i neke razlike izmedju polova koje uticu na izbor zanimanja. https://heterodoxacademy.org/the-google-memo-what-does-the-research-say-about-gender-differences/ women were more interested in people (d = 1.01) and ideas (d = .18), while men were more interested in things and data. These results, consistent with previous reviews showing large sex differences and small year effects, suggest that large sex differences in work related interests will continue to be observed for decades. 1. Gender differences in math/science ability, achievement, and performance are small or nil. (See especially the studies by Hyde; see also this review paper by Spelke, 2005). There are two exceptions to this statement: 2. Gender differences in interest and enjoyment of math, coding, and highly “systemizing” activities are large. The difference on traits related to preferences for “people vs. things” is found consistently and is very large, with some effect sizes exceeding 1.0. (See especially the meta-analyses by Su and her colleagues, and also see this review paper by Ceci & Williams, 2015). Edited December 21, 2018 by Meazza
Leia Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 13 minutes ago, Weenie Pooh said: Patrijarhatom objašnjavaš sve ovo? Ili tvrdiš da je gender disparity kod svih ostalih poslova prosto tako prirodna pojava, samo je u IT patrijaršijskim dekretom uspostavljen? Ja uopste nisam ni spominjala IT. A ne bih se bas opkladila ni da je USA sredina izlecena od patrijarhata.
Joe D Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) naravno da postoje jako bioloski uslovljene razlike izmedju polova, i to ce se pri izboru zanimanja vise ispoljiti u zemljama gde ti egzistencija nije toliko zavisna od toga. te rodne studije ulaze u veliki problem kad zadju u sferu prirodnih nauka. Edited December 21, 2018 by Joe D
Leia Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 19 minutes ago, Meazza said: Zakljucak (ne tvrdnja) studije je da nejednakost izbora zanimanja veca u drustvima u kojima je drzava ucinila najvise na jednakosti polova. Mozda Skandinavci nisu liberalni, a mozda postoje i neke razlike izmedju polova koje uticu na izbor zanimanja. https://heterodoxacademy.org/the-google-memo-what-does-the-research-say-about-gender-differences/ women were more interested in people (d = 1.01) and ideas (d = .18), while men were more interested in things and data. These results, consistent with previous reviews showing large sex differences and small year effects, suggest that large sex differences in work related interests will continue to be observed for decades. 1. Gender differences in math/science ability, achievement, and performance are small or nil. (See especially the studies by Hyde; see also this review paper by Spelke, 2005). There are two exceptions to this statement: 2. Gender differences in interest and enjoyment of math, coding, and highly “systemizing” activities are large. The difference on traits related to preferences for “people vs. things” is found consistently and is very large, with some effect sizes exceeding 1.0. (See especially the meta-analyses by Su and her colleagues, and also see this review paper by Ceci & Williams, 2015). Meni iz onog sto videh totalno ima smisla da su Skandinavci mahom konzerve ali su civilizovani pa ne tuku lajave feministkinje. A to o interesovanjima i uzivanju u necemu a ne u necem drugom iako nema razlike u sposobnostima, tu je drustveno uslovljavanje u korenu stvari meni daleko najlogicnije objasnjenje. +Sta cemo sa onima koje zanimaju ideje i stvari?
Meazza Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 OK, Skandinavci su konzerve i uslovljavaju zene vise nego u drugim zemljama. Sounds right.
Weenie Pooh Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Leia said: Ja uopste nisam ni spominjala IT. A ne bih se bas opkladila ni da je USA sredina izlecena od patrijarhata. Pa o čemu pričamo ako ne o uzroku deficitu žena u IT, tj. šire u STEM? Poenta je da Patrijarhat ne može da bude odgovoran za disbalans u tom sektoru ako balans ne postoji praktično ni u jednom sektoru zapošljavanja, niti može da se zahteva da postoji.
Leia Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 17 minutes ago, Meazza said: OK, Skandinavci su konzerve i uslovljavaju zene vise nego u drugim zemljama. Sounds right. Pa ne, nego ne znamo kako bi bilo u drugim zemljama da zene nisu mahom drustveno uslovljene. Skandinavija je ipak samo tackica na mapi sveta.
Leia Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 14 minutes ago, Weenie Pooh said: Pa o čemu pričamo ako ne o uzroku deficitu žena u IT, tj. šire u STEM? Poenta je da Patrijarhat ne može da bude odgovoran za disbalans u tom sektoru ako balans ne postoji praktično ni u jednom sektoru zapošljavanja, niti može da se zahteva da postoji. Izvinjavam se na nepaznji, ja pricam o zastupljenosti zena u tradicionalno muskim zanimanjima uopste.
JozoMujica Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 13 minutes ago, Leia said: Izvinjavam se na nepaznji, ja pricam o zastupljenosti zena u tradicionalno muskim zanimanjima uopste. Elektricar? Zidar? Rudar? Vodoinstalater? Nikad nisam upoznao zenu koja se bavi nekim od tih zanimanja, kao ni cuo da je neka zena pozelela da se bavi time. Sa druge strane, znam dosta zena elektroinzenjera, arhitekti... Moglo bi se pomisliti da je fora u fizickom naporu i opasnosti koji gorenavedeni poslovi nose, ali opet sa druge strane imam drugarice koje se bave padobranstvom, alpinizmom, ronjenjem...
Meazza Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 45 minutes ago, Leia said: Pa ne, nego ne znamo kako bi bilo u drugim zemljama da zene nisu mahom drustveno uslovljene. Skandinavija je ipak samo tackica na mapi sveta. Kako sad "pa ne" kad si napisala ovo: "totalno ima smisla da su Skandinavci mahom konzerve". U drugim zemljama gde su zene vise drustveno uslovljene inequality of outcome je manji. Ne razumem koja je tvoja poenta stvarno.
Leia Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Meazza said: Kako sad "pa ne" kad si napisala ovo: "totalno ima smisla da su Skandinavci mahom konzerve". U drugim zemljama gde su zene vise drustveno uslovljene inequality of outcome je manji. Ne razumem koja je tvoja poenta stvarno. Pa intimno konzerve ali i tolerantni prema feministkinjama, migrantima i drugim posastima za malogradjanstinu jer su civilizovani, Skandinavci jebiga A i tamo je desnica prilicno ojacala u poslednje vreme tako da se i njima ugled ljulja Kazem to je moj utisak, ni manje ni vise Edited December 21, 2018 by Leia
Meazza Posted December 21, 2018 Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) Dobro, znaci Skandinavci su konzerve i uslovljavaju zene vise nego u drugim zemljama. Edited December 21, 2018 by Meazza
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