Prospero Posted May 24, 2015 Posted May 24, 2015 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hl83Jpd_OI kakav kralj :D
Budja Posted May 24, 2015 Posted May 24, 2015 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hl83Jpd_OI kakav kralj :D Ja tu ne vidim nikakvu foru, vec samo aroganciju oligarhijski izabranog cinovnika. Odvratno. Da se zna ko je glavni baja.
Prospero Posted May 24, 2015 Posted May 24, 2015 sto oligarhijski, bio je nosilac epp liste. niko nije bio u zabludi za koga glasa. via TT
Budja Posted May 25, 2015 Posted May 25, 2015 khm, khm... O, da. I Barselona i Madrid nisu PODEMOS kandidati, vec kandidati koje je PODEMOS podrzao. U svim autonomnim jedinicama (nisam pratio Baskiju i Kataloniju) su na dalekom trecem ili cetvrtom mestu. Narativ u ne-spanskim medijima, kao BBC, je uspeh Podemosa (TeleSur je izvor slican Russia Today, potpuno nekredibilan u svojoj oceni). Rezultat izbora je konfuzan, da, PP i PSOE su izgubili skoro 3 miliona glasova, i spali sa 65% na 52% ali to jos uvek ne neagovestava grcki scenario - jos uvek je u Madridu PP dobio 34% a Ahora Madrid (podrzan od Podemos) 31%. Raspad politickog sistema to nije. Ovo je El Pais. El bipartidismo pierde más de tres millones de votosEl bipartidismo se ha puesto a prueba y los datos de la realidad de las urnas han indicado que se mantiene a distancia de la tercera fuerza política, aunque con una pérdida sin precedentes. PP y PSOE son los partidos más votados de España pero han dejado en cuatro años un caudal millonario de votos, aunque de forma desigual al ser el PP el partido que más votos pierde. En las elecciones municipales de 2011 ambos partidos sumaron el 65% de los votos y ahora se han quedado en el 52%, después de los trozos de tarta que se han comido las candidaturas en torno a Podemos y Ciudadanos. El PP ha perdido dos millones y medio de votos, en tanto que el PSOE en este cuatrienio ha descendido algo más de 700.000 votos. Inútil ha sido que los dos partidos mayoritarios se esforzaran por deshacer un vínculo que no existe en la práctica y que ninguno de los dos está dispuesto a establecer. Uno es la alternativa del otro y los dos se presentan como adversarios principales aunque el resto de los partidos han llamado a votar contra ellos. El resultado ha sido la pérdida del PP de sus mayorías absolutas y la imposibilidad del PSOE de avanzar. Podemos y Ciudadanos han conseguido que el bipartidismo se tambalee aunque ellos quedan muy por detrás en términos porcentuales. El partido de Iglesias no iba con su nombre por lo que no se le puede cuantificar. A Ciudadanos sí y queda como tercer partido con el 7% de los votos
aram Posted May 25, 2015 Posted May 25, 2015 jebat ga sad, jel treba jos i spanski da ucim :D samo rekoh da ipak nece biti da se podemos bas izduvao. jos sad ako uzmu ili udju u vlast u madridu, barseloni, valensiji...
hazard Posted May 25, 2015 Posted May 25, 2015 Rezultat izbora je konfuzan, da, PP i PSOE su izgubili skoro 3 miliona glasova, i spali sa 65% na 52% ali to jos uvek ne neagovestava grcki scenario - jos uvek je u Madridu PP dobio 34% a Ahora Madrid (podrzan od Podemos) 31%. Raspad politickog sistema to nije. Ali cekaj Siriza je dobila izbore sa 36,3% naspram NDovih 27,8%. Skoro pola mesta u parlamentu su uzeli zbog bonusa od 50 poslanika koji ide prvoplasiranom. Nije se ni u Grckoj zapravo desio neki "raspad" politickog sistema, desilo se to da je na levici PASOK zamenjen Sirizom. Podemos je dakle jako blizu da ostvari neki sirizoidni rezultat, tj. bar mogu da budu bolji od prvih izbora na kojima je Siriza postala 2. stranka (tada su imali nesto tipa 25-29%), sada zavisi od spanskog izbornog sistema kako se pretace u poslanike. Koliko vidim kod njih nema bonusa, ali ima regionalne zastupljenosti tako da je tu matematika kompleksna.
MancMellow Posted May 25, 2015 Posted May 25, 2015 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hl83Jpd_OI kakav kralj :D ovi su bili na piću negde pre ovoga garant. ludak :D
pacey defender Posted May 25, 2015 Posted May 25, 2015 šabanski potez. šaljenje, a kao šaljem poruku. inače, junker i orban su zajedno u epp. jebiga, potrebni su glasovi u parlamentu.
Lezilebovich Posted May 26, 2015 Posted May 26, 2015 (edited) Today, WikiLeaks is releasing two classified EU documents, outlining the planned military intervention against boats travelling from Libya to Italy. The more significant of the two documents was written by the combined military defence chiefs of the EU member states. The plan was formally approved by representatives from all 28 countries on 18 May 2015. https://wikileaks.org/eu-military-refugees/press.html Edited May 26, 2015 by Lezilebovich
Prospero Posted May 26, 2015 Posted May 26, 2015 7. MISSION: The EUMC assesses that a military CSDP operation, as reflected in reference A, is militarily challenging given the extraordinarily complex situation at sea and on shore, but militarily feasible under the premises of a robust legal framework and rules of engagement. Such an operation can contribute to EU efforts to disrupt the business model of migrant smuggling networks. Sustainable success of the operation will heavily depend on the implementation of a genuine comprehensive approach. ... 12. The EUMC emphasizes that preservation of human life at sea is a legal obligation in accordance with Safety of Life at Sea (SOLAS) and UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS). In addition, EUMC highlights that, when assisting search and rescue operations, assets will act coordinated by the competent Maritime Rescue Coordination Centre (MRCC) within its SAR region. Furthermore, for intervention under the SOLAS obligations, coordination agreements with FRONTEX and other relevant authorities, for the transfer of rescued people, both migrants and smugglers, should be established. Rescue operations led during this operation should not be publicised in order to avoid providing an incentive to migrants. 13. The EUMC underlines that the guidance to be provided in the IMD has to be sufficiently flexible to allow the OpCdr to conduct military strategic/operational planning. The IMD should also emphasise the need to calibrate military activity with great care, particularly within Libyan internal waters or ashore, in order to avoid destabilising the political process by causing collateral damage, disrupting legitimate economic activity or creating a perception of having chosen sides. 7. The PMG recalls that the overall aim of the European Council of 23 April is to prevent further loss of life at sea, committing to: strengthening our presence at sea; fighting traffickers/smugglers in accordance with international law; preventing illegal migration flows, and reinforcing internal solidarity and responsibility. ... 9. The PMG notes that the objective for the CSDP Operation, as agreed at the European Council, is to contribute to systematic efforts to identify, capture and destroy vessels before they are used by traffickers. In this regard, the PMG stresses the importance of intelligence gathering and sharing for the success of the operation. Ne vidim ništa što bode oči.
Budja Posted May 26, 2015 Posted May 26, 2015 (edited) Ali cekaj Siriza je dobila izbore sa 36,3% naspram NDovih 27,8%. Skoro pola mesta u parlamentu su uzeli zbog bonusa od 50 poslanika koji ide prvoplasiranom. Nije se ni u Grckoj zapravo desio neki "raspad" politickog sistema, desilo se to da je na levici PASOK zamenjen Sirizom. Podemos je dakle jako blizu da ostvari neki sirizoidni rezultat, tj. bar mogu da budu bolji od prvih izbora na kojima je Siriza postala 2. stranka (tada su imali nesto tipa 25-29%), sada zavisi od spanskog izbornog sistema kako se pretace u poslanike. Koliko vidim kod njih nema bonusa, ali ima regionalne zastupljenosti tako da je tu matematika kompleksna. Jok, to je samo Madrid (i Barselona), drugde su na daleeekom trecem mestu po pitama koje sam video (nemam tacne rezultate). Drugim recima, u 100 evra da Podemos ne prelazi 20% na izborima u decembre i da ce biti iza PSOE. Koalicije da, ali tu zemljotresa nece biti. Uostalom o izduvavanju balona dovoljno govori Iglesias: “We would have liked the decline of the old parties to have been quicker,” said Podemos’ Pablo Iglesias. “But circumstances compel us to keep working on it.” Edited May 26, 2015 by Budja
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