Tribun_Populi Posted March 9, 2015 Posted March 9, 2015 Njihov će brexit biti ravan odluci Nokie da zajebe Android i nastavi da fura Symbian. Otprilike će i rezultat na kraju biti isti - kupiće ih Microsoft :D Al' to je verovatno kosmička pravda, so should it be. A propos tetkine podrške EUFOR-u, javlja mi se da se u Berlinu već ozbiljnije kalkuliše sa izlaskom na globalnu scenu, ali ne pod plaštom Deutschland über alles zbog duhova prošlosti i rafalne paljbe koja će u tom tonu (već je krenula) stizati iz Londona pre svega - već zaodenuti plavom zastavom sa zvezdicama, Što samo može biti pozitivno, i jes' joj vala dugo i trebalo. Ipak starim i velikim prijateljima nisu tek tako oprostili špijunažu :) U to ime.
Meazza Posted March 10, 2015 Posted March 10, 2015 Ma nije moguce? Najgore je sto, koliko shvatam, niko ne moze ni da ih izbaci iz EU. Ispada da su samo tu da bi ometali.
Budja Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 Sta je bre ovo? Ko su sad pa ti Ciudadanos? Lancia? U svakom slucaju, spanski politicki sistem u fronclama.
Budja Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 Aha, izgleda kao projekat zamene PPa zdravim snagama. Zanimljiva strategija: posto su tradicionalne stranke potrosene, daj da stvorimo isto takve ali nove. Inace, dobar clanak u Gardijanu. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/mar/11/podemos-corruption-spain-ciudadanos What has gone wrong for Podemos?Miguel-Anxo Murado By demonising corruption, Podemos set impossible standards of purity for itself. And now, in Ciudadanos, it has a rival for Spain’s anti-austerity vote Things move fast in Spanish politics nowadays. So fast that pollsters are having trouble keeping pace with the mood of the electorate. Not long ago, the world was fascinated with the spectacular race to the top of the new anti-austerity, anti-corruption party Podemos, which became a political force in a matter of months. But if that’s the last you heard about Spanish politics, then you need to catch up. Podemos is still riding high in the polls, but its progress has been stalled by allegations of corruption, and there’s a new party of the moment, Ciudadanos(Citizens), which is also rising spectacularly. In fact, the latest polls show four parties – the conservative People’s party, the Socialists, Podemos and Ciudadanos – practically tied for the first position in the next general election. So what has gone wrong for Podemos? It is often said that Podemos was the brainchild of the 2011 Indignados movement, the forerunner of Occupy. Actually, it was more the result of that movement’s failure, when some of its leaders realised that street protests alone, for all their media impact, had litte effect on government policy. For the Indignados, party politics and political marketing was taboo; for Podemosit became the holy grail, the key to their project. First, it embraced all the tested mechanisms of persuasion: a clever use of ambiguity, political marketing and the creation, to some degree, of a personality cult around Pablo Iglesias, its young and charismatic leader. But then it shifted focus from its initial goals – anti-austerity, moderate anti-capitalism, equality – to the sexier issue of political corruption. It worked like a dream. But the easy vote, the political version of the easy buck, has its downsides. By replacing its more ideological proposals with the issue of corruption, Podemos may have attracted a huge crowd, but it also set impossible standards of purity for itself. It was only a matter of time before the media would find it at fault – and that’s what has happened. For weeks on end there has been a constant stream of stories about Podemos, from minor issues blown out of proportion – a party leader who didn’t meet the schedule required by his university grant – to more serious allegations of tax fraud and illegal funding by the government of Venezuela. Podemos says it has been singled out for persecution by a hostile media – which is true – and that the allegations against its politicians have not been proven in court yet. But it have fallen into a pit that it dug itself. In the political climate that allowed the party to thrive, allegations are as good as verdicts. Corruption has been demonised to such an extent that the public is no longer willing to differentiate between a minor tax infraction and the most serious criminal cases. That’s the danger of replacing the political discourse with a purely moralistic approach: politics allow for nuances and mistakes; morality doesn’t. So enter Ciudadanos, yet another party presenting itself as fundamentally anti-corruption, and promising a new way of doing things. The indignation, the self-righteousness, the eloquent young leader, the appeal to the honest, non-ideological voter … What is fascinating about Ciudadanos is that it has been artificially modelled as a mirror image of Podemos. Only, as with mirrors, left is right here. Sensing the public mood, Ciudadanos tries to promote itself as “centre-left” but that is hardly convincing. Its leader started his political career in the conservative People’s party, and its economic programme is clearly liberal – embarrassingly, it has been endorsed by big business. But that doesn’t matter in the current political environment in Spain. What matters is whether you can project the image of the new versus the old. This was Podemos’s success, and now it is working for Ciudadanos. The strongest force in Spanish politics used to be anger; now it is disillusionment, and constant change has become the way to deal with it. It would be ironic, though, if the anti-corruption agenda set in motion by anger at the banks ended up boosting a pro-business party. Podemos can still recover. Ciudadanos, so far, appears to be making strides mostly among disaffected conservative voters, but the media is working hard to promote it as the “reasonable alternative to Podemos”. If they succeed, it will be a bittersweet vindication of the architects of Podemos. It will prove that you can swing votes if you put aside ideology and concentrate in the emotions of the electorate. Emotions indeed have no ideology. And that’s the problem.
yolo Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 Koje je ovo fundamentalno sranje, da bi se spasili iz govana moramo da navijamo za Angelu da vaskrsne evro.... Žasu.
MancMellow Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) Jbt Budjo, Podemos još nije ni došao na vlast i ko zna hoće li uopšte (izbori tek za 9 meseci), a već si u niskom startu :D Edited March 12, 2015 by MancMellow
Budja Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 Ne razumem. Je li ti vidis ove cetvrte na 18%, pravo niotkuda, a za koje Gardijan kaze da su projekat elite? To je vest, a ne Podemos.
MancMellow Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) Pametan je tekst, pametan :) Podemos can still recover. A ljudi vode u pollovima :D i, zapravo po prvi put su prvi u njima. I bitno da je potrošio više od pola članka na ono što nije vest ^_^ Edited March 12, 2015 by MancMellow
Budja Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) Jok, bili su prvi i ranije. Drugo, Podemos je pao u apsolutnim procentima u odnosu na ranija istrazivanja. Dakle, "momentum" se izduvao. Tema je da je trojanski konj PPa, Ciudadanos, pokupio glasove PPa pa je Podemos jos uvek prvi. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_Spanish_general_election,_2015 Edited March 12, 2015 by Budja
MancMellow Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 Ma znam ali uzorak je 2 meseca. Videćemo, ali reći da Podemos nema politiku je malo zlonamerno. To što se u borbi za glasove koriste "korupcijom" nije nikakva njihova specijalnost.
Budja Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 Ma znam ali uzorak je 2 meseca. Videćemo, ali reći da Podemos nema politiku je malo zlonamerno. To što se u borbi za glasove koriste "korupcijom" nije nikakva njihova specijalnost. Koja je to politika? Ozbiljno pitam, posto je tvoja tvrdnja kategoricka. Podemos je sprdnja. Syriza je druga prica jer izvire iz duge politicke tradicije jende ideoloske struje u Grckoj.
MancMellow Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 ok, ja sam možda bio prenaglio od ove rečenice mi se učinilo da kaže da nemaju politiku: That’s the danger of replacing the political discourse with a purely moralistic approach: politics allow for nuances and mistakes; morality doesn’t. u smislu - vode politiku, a ovde ih se optužuje da je, suštinski, ne vode, nego da samo morališu
Budja Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 Sta je problem u recenici? Mislim, evo ti Psiholabud, jahac u borbi protiv korupcije. A politika?
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