37 minutes ago, radisa said:

Juce je Casagrande pokusao da sumira vojne untervencije iz vazduha ii pokaze da se rat tako ne moze dobiti i nekako je zabiravio da je u istoriji samo jedan rat dobijen iz vazduha, bez

Pa nije bilo bez boots on the ground, saveznici™ su tu već bili godinama.

Just now, Zaboravan said:

Pa nije bilo bez boots on the ground, saveznici™ su tu već bili godinama.

Budimo realni...

@x500 , ni u Japan nije noga krocila...

O tome je diskutovao, malo je zaboravio ulazak SSSRa u rat, ali ajde...

Ali nas da zaboravi...

Tehnologija koja se kopira.

Neko kaze da su Iranci kopirali od ovih, oni od onih. Iran je prvi masovno poceo da ih proizvodi. Rusi su kupili I modifikovali. SAD, nastavila taj trend. Americki "Lucas" izgleda slicnije iranskom originallu nego li na slici

3 minutes ago, radisa said:

Budimo realni...

@x500 , ni u Japan nije noga krocila...

O tome je diskutovao, malo je zaboravio ulazak SSSRa u rat, ali ajde...

Ali nas da zaboravi...

Sasvim sam realan, jbg ako ćemo da se pravimo ludi da ovk nije držala 1/3 KiM-a, saobraćajnice, neke gradove u okruženju... OK možemo i tako.

"Izdajnik I strani placenik"

Edited March 15Mar 15 by Emerald

Što se vraćanja dela fudbalerki tiče, izgleda da je u pitanju bila ozbiljna operacija s lažnim zahtevom za azil jedne članice delegacije.

Exclusive: IRGC Intelligence Unit Forced Women Footballers to Return to Iran

An informed source told IranWire that on Monday, March 9, at the same time that reports emerged about five members of Iran’s women’s national football team seeking asylum in Australia, a discreet operation was launched by the “IRGC Intelligence Organization” together with the “Ministry of Sport and Youth” to bring the players back to Iran. According to the source, this effort was carried out “without coordination” with the Islamic Republic’s Football Federation.

 

The source inside Iran said the IRGC Intelligence Organization pursued two parallel strategies to persuade the players to return: “exerting psychological pressure from within the country” and using “promises and deception combined with ‘advice’ from abroad.” As part of the plan, officials attempted - without informing the leadership of the Football Federation - to have “one of the executive members of the women’s national team” also apply for asylum in Australia.

 

Where Did the Sensitivity Toward Player Defections Begin?

 

Through conversations with two informed individuals close to the Ministry of Sport and the Football Federation, IranWire obtained further details about the effort to bring back the players who had fled to Australia.

 

One source close to the Ministry of Sport told IranWire: “The sensitivity toward athlete defections began during the January protests. A directive was sent to sports federations to cancel all preparation camps, especially those in European countries, and to stop sending athletes even to World Championships that do not impact Olympic qualification.”

 

The same source added that when the war between Israel/the U.S. and the Islamic Republic began, there was initially little concern within the authorities about the women’s national football team: “No one was worried because Marziyeh Jafari (the head coach) personally posted bail for the players’ return. Everyone knew the girls would do anything for Ms. Jafari; they wouldn’t let trouble come her way. That was the case until the threats began after the first match.”

 

According to this source, the defection of the initial five players to Australia was not considered significant enough to immediately trigger intervention by the IRGC and the Ministry of Sport. However, the situation changed after U.S. President Donald Trump sent a message to the Australian government expressing support for granting asylum to the Iranian female athletes.

 

Who Did the IRGC See as the Best Candidate to Enter the “Safe House”?

 

A source inside the Football Federation told IranWire that none of the federation’s managers or officials had been informed about the joint plan between the IRGC and the Ministry of Sport.

 

The operation aimed to place a member of the technical or executive staff inside the players’ “safe house” in order to convey messages from Tehran following Donald Trump’s statement of support. On the evening of Monday, March 9, discussions reportedly began about selecting a staff member who would falsely claim asylum.

 

The final choice was someone older than the players who had influence over them - someone whose return to Iran was guaranteed and who had no intention of actually joining the asylum process.

 

Zahra (Flor) Moshke-Kar, the equipment manager of the Iranian women’s national football team, applied for asylum with the Australian government on Tuesday, March 10, 2026 - just hours before the team was scheduled to travel from the Gold Coast to Sydney to return to Iran.

 

Who Withdrew Their Asylum Claims?

 

Mizan News Agency (affiliated with the Judiciary), Tasnim News Agency (affiliated with the IRGC), and the information portal of the Ministry of Sport were the first domestic outlets to report that “three members of the women’s national football team have withdrawn their asylum claims in Australia.”

 

All three outlets published images of Mona Hamoudi, Zahra Sarbali, and Zahra (Flor) Moshke-Kar, reporting that two players and one “equipment staff member” had traveled to Malaysia. Earlier, Mohaddeseh Zolfi - who had also applied for asylum together with Moshke-Kar - had withdrawn her request and traveled to Malaysia.

 

According to the source at the Ministry of Sport, once the equipment manager claimed asylum, her task was to identify the players’ residence (the safe house), track their movements, create a carefully constructed “motherly and friendly” environment to persuade them, and pass along messages from the IRGC Intelligence Organization.

 

The same source told IranWire that the players who remained in Australia received messages from the equipment manager that were both “encouraging and threatening.” Her role - ultimately helping convince two players to return to the team’s temporary accommodation in Malaysia - was exposed after the players who remained in the safe house contacted two officials at the Football Federation.

 

Tony Burke, Australia’s Minister for Home Affairs, issued a statement without naming individuals involved: “Three members of the Iranian women’s national football team have decided to return to Iran after receiving humanitarian visas. The Australian government did everything it could to ensure these women had the opportunity for a safe future in Australia. Australians should be proud that in our country, these women encountered a nation that offered them real choices and interacted with officials who tried to help them.”

 

Ultimately, three players remained in Australia: Fatemeh Pasandideh, Zahra Ghanbari, and Atefeh Ramazanizadeh.

https://iranwire.com/en/features/150442-exclusive-irgc-intelligence-unit-forced-women-footballers-to-return-to-iran/

6 minutes ago, Emerald said:

Izdajnik I steani placenik

Kako wartime, USA nisu u ratu...

Edited March 15Mar 15 by radisa

https://x.com/alilarijani_ir/status/2033128552535613852

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Hronika evropske politicke degradacije....Pa oni jbt ne mogu da nadju Iran na karti )))

7 minutes ago, radisa said:

Kako wartime, USA nisu u ratu...

Kaže Gemini (USA firma!) - Some estimates indicate the U.S. has been at war for 222 out of 239 years, though these figures often include minor skirmishes, foreign interventions, and military operations that were not "all-out" wars.

7 minutes ago, barba said:

Hronika evropske politicke degradacije....Pa oni jbt ne mogu da nadju Iran na karti )))

https://x.com/TomMery/status/2032857455437168953

The journalist of [the TMC's TV show] Quotidien clearly specifies at the end of his column that “out of 50 deputies questioned, 15 didn’t know where to place Iran.” That helps put the hype around this truncated clip into a bit of perspective

Edited March 15Mar 15 by vememah

9 minutes ago, barba said:

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Hronika evropske politicke degradacije....Pa oni jbt ne mogu da nadju Iran na karti )))

Što bi ga nalazili, pa neće da ratuju sa njima :) A i vidiš da su sve to neki lubeničari koji hoće naftu da nam zabrane

54 minutes ago, radisa said:

Juce je Casagrande pokusao da sumira vojne untervencije iz vazduha ii pokaze da se rat tako ne moze dobiti i nekako je zabiravio da je u istoriji samo jedan rat dobijen iz vazduha, bez boots on the ground...

Ma naravno budalastine, soldatske tlapnje: i nema veze sa americkim pre WW2 teoreticarima koji su pre svega bili prakticari i koje su, sto se aviona tice, zanimale neke druge stvari koje su, srecom, dokazali - da avion, komarac, moze da doaka ogromnom brodu, planini od celika.

Bilo je ekstremista, 1 Italijan zacudo :

Primio se kako ko, niko naravno skroz, uz razne varijacije na teme bombardovanja, a zlatno doba je nastupilo posle WW2 kada je Amerikancima^tm usla avionska voda u usi: sa sve ubedjenjem bogami cesto pretvaranim u politiku tesku milijarde dolara, da je avion kao takav dovoljan za pobedu: Curtis LeMay, Thomas S. Power, Hoyt Wandenberg, Bernard Schriever, John Boyd i OODA petlja...

Tako da, BTW, treba imati u vidu da je B-52 poleteo pocetkom 1952. godine...

Osvescenje je doslo brzo, u Koreji, gde se ispostavilo da prevlast u vazduhu ni izdaleka nije dovoljna, da se itekako mora zagaziti u blato.

I, sto se Amerikanaca tice, knjiziti najduze povlacenje u njihovoj dosadasnjoj istoriji...

Jer - dosli Kinezi...

Ipak, djavo nije dao mira, a izborna politika u samim SAD nametala je trazenje resenja sa sto manje mrtvih nasih momaka: stvar su do apsurda doveli tipovi poput Johna Warden-a III, izumitelja upravo onog sto gledamo poslednjih decenija - udariti u centar odlucivanja pa ce se sve srusiti samo od sebe...

Bilo ih je jos, da ne nabrajam...

A apsurd nad apsurdima je bilo to sto su avion iznad svega ideje usle u zvanicnu strategiju za sluzaj rata protiv komunisticke Kine, tamo negde pocetkom '60-ih: zamisli da se Kina samo konvencionalnim bombardovanjem vrati u kameno doba unistavanjem ono malo industrije koje je tada imala.

U tom svetlu, one kineske ideje kojima se tako cesto podsmeva, o malim, mini celicanama u svakom selu dobijaju nesto drugaciji smisao.

Rasprave^tm o tome da li se rat gubio dolaskom, stupanjem neprijatelja na sopstvenu teritoriju su, pa - glupost.

Ratovi se gube pre svega u glavama: niko Nemcima nije branio da se 1918. ili 1945. odaju gerili, pa nisu...

Neki drugi bi i jesu...

Sto se moguce kopnene invazije na Iran tice ti stvari stoje malo zajebano: duz cele zalivske obale Irana protezu se planine, lanac Zagros, ciji vrhovi idu i do preko 4,000 metara i koje su nocna mora svakog planera pomorske invazije na Iran.

Ono, jeste da se izmedju Zagros planina i mora, Zaliva, nalaze glavna iranska nalazista nafte, ali njihov gubitak niposto ne bi morao da znaci da je za Iran rat izgubljen.

I to zato sto o invaziji na Iran nema govora bez angazivanja cirka 1 milion vojnika i svega sto uz to ide, za sta Zapad zbirno nema ni sredstava ni volje...

Ali, jebes sve to, radi se uglavnom o geografskim i tehnickim/tehnoloskim sporednostima: uostalom Ukrajina je, doduse onom ko je hteo da vidi, pokazala i dokazala da se rat vratio kuci, u blato, a da ga nikada nisu i nece dobiti fotogenicni piloti pa sve da se i sam Tom Kruz dohvati palice^tm...

Ali, da cemo da bombardujemo jos malo, just for fun..., je ubedljivo najjaci dokaz sunovrata zapadne civilizacije jos od doba Adolfa i doktora Gebelsa...

Koji, u poredjenju sa just for fun deluju kao gospoda i ljudi od stila...

Cudi me samo neoglasavanje ovih za koje je intervencija 1 blagodet za ugnjeteno stanovnistvo...

Just for fun...

12 minutes ago, Vapad said:

Kaže Gemini (USA firma!) - Some estimates indicate the U.S. has been at war for 222 out of 239 years, though these figures often include minor skirmishes, foreign interventions, and military operations that were not "all-out" wars.

Ja ne znam da je USA objavlai rat Iranu... Ovo je SVO, dakle nije rat, pa ne može da bude wartime, zar ne?

Ili je malo rat, malo nije, samo, pravo tako ne bi trebalo da funkcioniše, zar ne?

2 hours ago, vememah said:

"Ton of money", reče Lindzi.

https://x.com/Acyn/status/2030654776674013635

Doduše svakako su namerili da dosta povećaju proizvodnju, s obzirom na to da iranska pod sankcijama nije optimalna. Istorijski pik je bio nekih 6,7 miliona barela dnevno pre revolucije i pitanje je da li može biti dostignut, ali po nekim analizama sasvim je realno da dobrano pređu 4 posle desetak godina intenzivnog investiranja.

https://tradingeconomics.com/iran/crude-oil-production

Iran je pre izbijanja sukoba u februaru bio na oko 3.5 mbd. Moze da podigne proizvodnju brzo na 4 -4.5 mbd. Iznad toga tesko bez velikih ulaganja i to nakon par godina.