Avionski udesi i nesreće

[yolo]

kakvi su rusi paceri, to je ludilo. 

[Topola]

Sto?

[yolo]

pa ako su im uneli bombu u avion. 

[Topola]

Ako su im uneli bombu to je iskljuciva zasluga osoblja na aerodromu u Sarm el Seiku.

 

Egipcani su u pitanju. Narod velik i masovan ali tradicionalno nesklon bilo kakvim vezama sa islamistima. Nesvrstani i bratski narod.

[Prospero]

Mi ovde nemamo dovoljno jasnu sliku kako se ova katastrofa odrazava na rusko javno mnjenje i na koji nacin se kroz nju sada prelama tamosnja podrska Putinovom angazmanu u Siriji...

 

Mislim da je to vrlo precenjena stvar i pomalo plod "zapadnog" načina razmišljanja.

 

Sukob u Čečeniji, koji je imao dominantno crte nacionalne secesije je zadnjih 10 godina mutirao u nekakvu islamističku priču koja se pritom preselila u Dagestan, kao trenutno najproblematičniju republiku. Iz ruske perspektive špic borbe se preselio sa juga Rusije u Siriju, i za njih je dobro dokle god je tako, tj bolje da se sa džihadistima bore van svoje zemlje.

 

U smislu žrtava tog sukoba rusko javno mnjenje je sasvim slično izraelskom, dakle nema milosti ni pregovora a domaće žrtve će oplakati, otresti to sa sebe i nastaviti fajt bez mnogo obzira. 

[yolo]

Ako su im uneli bombu to je iskljuciva zasluga osoblja na aerodromu u Sarm el Seiku.

 

Egipcani su u pitanju. Narod velik i masovan ali tradicionalno nesklon bilo kakvim vezama sa islamistima. Nesvrstani i bratski narod.

 

Prilicno izvesno su mogli da dogovore svoj dodatni security check. Sto bi kapiram svaka zemlja koja je u vojnoj intervenciji 1000km od aerodroma i uradila.

[jms_uk]

Prilicno izvesno su mogli da dogovore svoj dodatni security check. Sto bi kapiram svaka zemlja koja je u vojnoj intervenciji 1000km od aerodroma i uradila.

Da li mislis da britanske charter kompanije imaju dodatni security u SSH?

 

Ne znam, pitam.

 

 

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[yolo]

pa ne znam, ali rusi su onako bas zicer meta. a prvo nisam pomislio na engleze nego na amere. sasvim sigurno bi uz let sa ovakve destinacije isla dva ortaka sa masnim ledjima u lengliju i rucnim skenerom za svaku torbu koja ulazi u avion. 

 

mada, zasto bi bulaznili o napadu raketom ako je neko uneo bombu. do sada bi se vec pojavila neka poruka.

[Muwan]

Ako je bomba nekako uneta u avion u Sharmu to verovatno nije bilo u putničkom prtljagu nego negde u procesu zemaljskog opsluživanja. Ali bomba bi morala da ostavi tragove na ostacima aviona i ti tragovi bi morali da se pojave u narednim danima tokom analize krhotina.

[Marcus Wulffings]

 

 

Scores dead in South Sudan plane crash

Officials say at least 41 people are killed after plane crashes near Juba airport shortly after takeoff.

 

 

[Prospero]

Korekcija u podacima sa FR24:
 

WASHINGTON — The Russian plane that crashed Saturday (Oct 31) in Egypt slowed suddenly and then plunged to the Earth at 300 miles (483 kilometers) per hour, according to revised data of its final moments captured by flight-tracking website FlightRadar24.
The Metrojet Airbus Group SE A321 carrying 224 people fell from 31,000 feet to 26,000 feet in the final 26 seconds, according to the final transmissions from its radio transponder reporting information to the ground.
 
The new data is consistent with reports from Egyptian and Russian officials, who said that the plane came apart as it was flying at cruising altitude from Sharm el-Sheikh to St Petersburg. It also indicates that the plane’s direction of travel was wobbling from side to side, which would occur if it was coming apart.
 
“The FightRadar24 information is better, but it is not yet anything that we can draw any conclusions from,” said Mr John Cox, chief executive officer of Washington-based Safety Operating Systems, an aviation consultant.
 
Several possible scenarios for the plane’s breakup remain, including a bomb or a structural failure, Cox said. At least partial answers should come soon, as officials in Egypt review the plane’s two crash-proof recording devices and teams have a chance to inspect the wreckage, he said.
 
SLOWED FLIGHT
 
The plane dropped gradually at first and then more rapidly as its forward speed slowed, according to the new data. By the last transmission, it was moving forward at only 87km an hour, far below a normal flying speed.
Raw data from the plane reported initially by FlightRadar24 suggested the aircraft was bucking up and down in its final seconds. The flight tracking firm says that altitude information appears to be unreliable.
The newer information released Tuesday is based on global-positioning satellite data that the plane also transmitted, which the firm believes is more accurate, according to a posting on its website.
Whatever happened aboard the Russian aircraft appeared to begin at 6.13am local time when what had been a steady climb switched suddenly to a descent, according to the data.
 
DATA CHANGE
 
“We see a change in the data” at that moment, Mr Ian Petchenik, a spokesman for FlightRadar24, said in an interview. “But we have no information about the cause of that change.”
In the seconds after that, readings from the plane generated by air pressure begin to become suspicious, according to the company. The plane appears to also change its heading, turning more than 20 degrees to the right, and then back onto its original northwesterly heading, if the data can be believed.
Senator Dianne Feinstein, the vice chairwoman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, said it’s possible that terrorism was involved in the crash.
“I’m one who believes you cannot rule it out,” Ms Feinstein, a California Democrat, said in an interview in the US Capitol. “We know we have a bomb that goes through magnetometers and can explode an airplane. So its a possibility.”
“Until you do the scientific testing on the skin of the plane and the interior plane, I think you don’t really know,” Ms Feinstein said. “You can’t rule it out.”
 
SPY CHIEF
 
On Monday, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said there’s no immediate indication that the crash was the result of terrorism.
Mr John Goglia, a former airline mechanic who served on the US National Transportation Safety Board, said investigators may be taking a look at a 2001 repair to the Russian jet prompted by an accidental scraping of its tail during landing.
Failures of those repairs are one of the few things known to cause the type of sudden midair breakup that occurred Saturday, he said. BLOOMBERG

Bomba i dalje izgleda kao sasvim moguća opcija. Mada, budući da još nisu pronašli ceo horizontalni stabilizator ("repna krila") već samo jedu stranu čini se da je to prvi deo koji je otpao, a praktično je nemoguće pristupiti tom delu aviona da bi se tamo postavila neka bomba.

Edited November 4, 2015 by Prospero

[Topola]

Ako je bomba nekako uneta u avion u Sharmu to verovatno nije bilo u putničkom prtljagu nego negde u procesu zemaljskog opsluživanja.

 

 

a prvo nisam pomislio na engleze nego na amere. sasvim sigurno bi uz let sa ovakve destinacije isla dva ortaka sa masnim ledjima u lengliju

 

 

 

Mislim da je to vrlo precenjena stvar i pomalo plod "zapadnog" načina razmišljanja.

[Prospero]

UK je suspendovala sve letove za SSH, kažu da "iako nije jasno zašto je pao avion, postoji sumja da je po sredi bomba"...
 

 
"While the investigation is still ongoing we cannot say categorically why the Russian jet crashed. But as more information has come to light we have become concerned that the plane may well have been brought down by an explosive device."

 

[precog]

pa ne znam, ali rusi su onako bas zicer meta. a prvo nisam pomislio na engleze nego na amere. sasvim sigurno bi uz let sa ovakve destinacije isla dva ortaka sa masnim ledjima u lengliju i rucnim skenerom za svaku torbu koja ulazi u avion.

 

mada, zasto bi bulaznili o napadu raketom ako je neko uneo bombu. do sada bi se vec pojavila neka poruka.

Sto im se ne ponudis da budes konsultant za bezbednost?

[Korki]

Ако је бомба у питању то је велики проблем за Египат. То значи да је негде у њиховом обавештајном и безбедносном апарату рупа. Ако је бомба у питању, она је могла бити постављена и током опслуживања авиона а не у пртљагу, хиљаду питања отвара ако је бомба била постављена.