NASA objavljuje prve dokaze o postojanju vanzemaljskog života?

[paculla]

kakvi ste smaraci. nasli ljudi organizam koji zamenjuje osnovne elemente, a vi ste razocarani sto nisu nasli male zelene. otvaraju nova vrata biohemiji. nije to samo DNK, pretpostavljam da su bakterije razvile ATAs umesto ATP i trista drugih cuda.

[hattori]

dobro, eto, radujemo se...

[Gonzo]

takav 1 susret i pronalazak zelimo u ovom kontekstu, na primer

e al problem je i s našom željom za postojanjem antropomorfnog života u svemiru. potpuno bezveze, možda se as we speak u nekoj pripizdini svemira na na dnu nekog muljevitog jezera razvija kolonija arsenolikih mikroorganizama, koji će biti preteča nekih fluorodisajućih antropomorfa koji će se razviti milijardama godina nakon što se mi samouništimo nuklearkama, posle haosa koji će nastati kada wikileaks sruše treći rim svojim otkrićima. mnogo smo zadojeni filmovima o bliskim susretima treće vrste. jbt, naša civilizacija je sekundica na kosmičkom satu, što smo pa toliko bitni da se podrazumeva da moramo da vidimo neke zelene komšije.

[Shan Jan]

ivan antonovich jefremov, sovjetski paleontolog i sf pisac dvadesetog veka, u pripoveci 'srce zmije' (almanah andromeda 1976, orijentacije radi ^_^) opisuje susret zemaljskog i vanzemaljskog svemirskog broda, gde su vanzemaljci inteligentna antropomorfna civilizacija, sa planete na kojoj je kiseonih zamenjen fluorom, a vodonik sumporom. ono sto je za nas zivot, za njih je otrov, i obrnuto. na sred svemira se gradi dvostrana barijera izmedju brodova, sa odgovarajucim atmosferama, kako bi se daleki srodnici osmotrili i zatim razishli u miru, jer ne mogu da istovremeno opstanu u istom svetu. blaga i skoro romantichna pricha.

Citao Mene ovo podsetilo na neki nas matori casopis o nauci i futurologiji iz 70tih. Secam se jednog clanka gde je neki cika naucnik opisivao zasto bi zivot na ugljeniku svuda pobedio taj alternativni zivot (nesto tipa brza razmena materija i informacija, brze reakcije..). Snove mi srusio :( Tako da sad mogu da mu kazem posle toliko godina: e duvaj ga cica! :P Edited December 2, 2010 by Shan Jan

[Gonzo]

pretpostavljam da su bakterije razvile ATAs umesto ATP i trista drugih cuda.

fuck yeah, ovo će stvarno da izmeni udžbenike. adenozintriarsenat, arsenic based metabolism, idukurac!

[Weenie Pooh]

They're Made Out Of Meat PhosphorusTerry Bisson

"They're made out of meat.""Meat?""Meat. They're made out of meat.""Meat?""There's no doubt about it. We picked several from different parts of the planet, took them aboard our recon vessels, probed them all the way through. They're completely meat.""That's impossible. What about the radio signals? The messages to the stars.""They use the radio waves to talk, but the signals don't come from them. The signals come from machines.""So who made the machines? That's who we want to contact.""They made the machines. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Meat made the machines.""That's ridiculous. How can meat make a machine? You're asking me to believe in sentient meat.""I'm not asking you, I'm telling you. These creatures are the only sentient race in the sector and they're made out of meat.""Maybe they're like the Orfolei. You know, a carbon-based intelligence that goes through a meat stage.""Nope. They're born meat and they die meat. We studied them for several of their life spans, which didn't take too long. Do you have any idea the life span of meat?""Spare me. Okay, maybe they're only part meat. You know, like the Weddilei. A meat head with an electron plasma brain inside.""Nope. We thought of that, since they do have meat heads like the Weddilei. But I told you, we probed them. They're meat all the way through.""No brain?""Oh, there is a brain all right. It's just that the brain is made out of meat!""So... what does the thinking?""You're not understanding, are you? The brain does the thinking. The meat.""Thinking meat! You're asking me to believe in thinking meat!""Yes, thinking meat! Conscious meat! Loving meat. Dreaming meat. The meat is the whole deal! Are you getting the picture?""Omigod. You're serious then. They're made out of meat.""Finally, Yes. They are indeed made out meat. And they've been trying to get in touch with us for almost a hundred of their years.""So what does the meat have in mind?""First it wants to talk to us. Then I imagine it wants to explore the universe, contact other sentients, swap ideas and information. The usual.""We're supposed to talk to meat?""That's the idea. That's the message they're sending out by radio. 'Hello. Anyone out there? Anyone home?' That sort of thing.""They actually do talk, then. They use words, ideas, concepts?""Oh, yes. Except they do it with meat.""I thought you just told me they used radio.""They do, but what do you think is on the radio? Meat sounds. You know how when you slap or flap meat it makes a noise? They talk by flapping their meat at each other. They can even sing by squirting air through their meat.""Omigod. Singing meat. This is altogether too much. So what do you advise?""Officially or unofficially?""Both.""Officially, we are required to contact, welcome, and log in any and all sentient races or multi-beings in the quadrant, without prejudice, fear, or favor. Unofficially, I advise that we erase the records and forget the whole thing.""I was hoping you would say that.""It seems harsh, but there is a limit. Do we really want to make contact with meat?""I agree one hundred percent. What's there to say?" `Hello, meat. How's it going?' But will this work? How many planets are we dealing with here?""Just one. They can travel to other planets in special meat containers, but they can't live on them. And being meat, they only travel through C space. Which limits them to the speed of light and makes the possibility of their ever making contact pretty slim. Infinitesimal, in fact.""So we just pretend there's no one home in the universe.""That's it.""Cruel. But you said it yourself, who wants to meet meat? And the ones who have been aboard our vessels, the ones you have probed? You're sure they won't remember?""They'll be considered crackpots if they do. We went into their heads and smoothed out their meat so that we're just a dream to them.""A dream to meat! How strangely appropriate, that we should be meat's dream.""And we can mark this sector unoccupied.""Good. Agreed, officially and unofficially. Case closed. Any others? Anyone interesting on that side of the galaxy?""Yes, a rather shy but sweet hydrogen core cluster intelligence in a class nine star in G445 zone. Was in contact two galactic rotations ago, wants to be friendly again.""They always come around.""And why not? Imagine how unbearably, how unutterably cold the universe would be if one were all alone."

:)

[prima]

@Gonzo: Ne, imam problem samo s tim što se uporno tupi o alien life forms, i ovde i drugde. Jedna bakterija, poznata i prisutna na Zemlji, demonstrirala da može da inkorporira arcenik umesto fosfora - OK, fascinantno ljudima iz struke, ali ogroman skok se pravi od toga do "pa onda ćemo naći male zelene tamo ili ovamo." Da je ovo otkriće saopštila neka druga organizacija, ili da NASA nije dala nedelju-dve da se razvije hype o životu na Titanu ili Rei, niko ne bi ni pominjao vanzemaljce u ovoj priči.

slusaj ti sto bi da seciras zelene, volela bih tebe da seciraju:angry:po meni je ovo veliki napredak u razmisljanju, na prvom mestu. i falim te boze da se vise dogodio i da se ovaplodjuje kroz rezultate... gonzo pointttttsve vreme ne poznajemo sopstvenu zemlju dovoljno a k&$#%^imo se da izlecemo u svemir. odgovori na sva pitanja se nalaze ispred nosa :)

[Weenie Pooh]

"According to a new paper published in the journal Science, reporters are unable to thrive in an arsenic-rich environment." :)Naslov u Blicu danas: "Vanzemaljci već na Zemlji" Trebalo je i tog autora pozvati na koktel...

[hooyadahoo]

da, ovo je veliko, bas, svaka cast.mene je uvek nervirala ta fora sa 6 elemenata. jbte ja mislim da ne postoji covek koji moze da bude toliko ignorantan i toliko ogranicen kao covecanstvo. neverovatno.za zivot je samo jedan uslov "must": mora da postoji proces koji menja i oslobadja energiju. sve ostalo je na piscima sfa. ima lem jednu o-p-a-k-u pricu o zivotu stvorenom u plazmi, tokom labaratorijskih eksperimenata.

[Buck Naked]

Valjda mora replikacija? A od čega će replikanti bili sastavljeni, izgleda da je otvorenije no što se mislilo..

[Indy]

Naslov u Blicu danas: "Vanzemaljci već na Zemlji"

:lol:Carevi

[hooyadahoo]

replication is irrelevant. replicates are irrelevant. sto bi besmrtni jebo? ozbiljno - ja sam gore hteo da kazem - reci da sunce nije zivo, isto je kao i tvrditi da buva nema emocije.

[Indy]

Isto u smislu da je i jedno i drugo tačno?EDIT. A ni Sunce nije baš besmrtno. :D

Edited December 3, 2010 by Indy

[hooyadahoo]

isto u smislu da - ne znam(o).

[Indy]

Znam ja našta si ti mislio, samo se pravim blesav. Naravno da znamo.