Liberalizacija SPC

[sailorman]

Ja ne mogu da verujem šta ovde čitam. Ljudsko pravo na versko obrazovanje u državnim školama! Saberite se.

[gagorder]

Ja ne mogu da verujem šta ovde čitam. Ljudsko pravo na versko obrazovanje u državnim školama! Saberite se.

na nivou predstave, a ne na nivou pojma, gradjanin srbije ne zna šta je to "imati pravo".kako onda da ostvari ono koje ima ...

[Аврам Гојић]

pa jebiga, ko je tvom tastu kriv što su se srbi tada pretežno na popisu izjasnili da nema ljudsko pravo da peva u crkvenom horu.

touche

[Lord Protector]

Ja ne mogu da verujem šta ovde čitam. Ljudsko pravo na versko obrazovanje u državnim školama! Saberite se.

U Nemačkoj je to sasvim normalno. A u Srbiji je skoro prekopiran nemački model.

[palikaris]

pa što ne odeš na oksford da ostvariš svoje ljudsko pravo na besplatno obrazovanje?

:D+1

[sailorman]

U Nemačkoj je to sasvim normalno. A u Srbiji je skoro prekopiran nemački model.

Pa daj da vidim izvor tog prava.

[Lord Protector]

pa što ne odeš na oksford da ostvariš svoje ljudsko pravo na besplatno obrazovanje?

Nemam potrebe, ne znaju više od onoga što ja znam. A nije da ne bih mogao, pun sam love.

[adam]

Nemam potrebe, ne znaju više od onoga što ja znam. A nije da ne bih mogao, pun sam love.

mene uvek neizmerno iznenadi koiko je tebi avatar u neskladu s pisanjem.

[Bakemono]

U Nemačkoj je to sasvim normalno. A u Srbiji je skoro prekopiran nemački model.

U Nemačkoj vernici plaćaju porez.

[bergasa19]

[Bakemono]

Sorry, dodatni porez.

[Kelt]

zove se crkveni porez - die Kirchensteuer, a ima toga i kod nas, teorijski su svi parohijani obavezni da plaćaju porez svojoj parohiji (ima neki staroslovenski/crkvenoslovenski naziv) ali su valjda svesni da bi im naglo opao broj vernika pa se zadržavaju pri dobrovoljnim donacijama i izmuzivanju države

Edited April 28, 2013 by Kelt

[Turnbull]

Ja sam za liberalni pristup po tom pitanju. Pošto plaćam porez državi želim da država sprovodi obrazovanje onako kako većina poreskih obveznika hoće, a hoće veronauku, sa sve popovima included. Moje pare moja volja.

Dobro, čoveče, zašto tako neopisivo lupetaš? Samo te gledam i pitam se - dokle, bre?Ovo što si sada opisao je upravo suprotno "liberalnom pristupu" - to je tiranija većine. Liberalni pristup ovoj temi je jasan, ako ti i većina drugih roditelja želite da vaša deca pohađaju versku nastavu - ništa lakše, skupite pare pa organizujte Sunday school. To zaista jeste vaše pravo. Ono što nije vaše pravo jeste da tražite da se pare svih poreskih obveznika, bez obzira na njihovo versko (ne)opredeljenje troše na versku nastavu.Dužnost sekularne škole nije da pravi male vernike (niti male nevernike), nego da svakom detetu pruži znanja i sposobnosti neophodne za autonomno odlučivanje. Roditelji nmaju prava da od države traže da indoktrinira njihovu decu izvesnim religijskim gledištima, iako oni sami, naravno, imaju puno pravo da svoju decu na ovaj način indoktriniraju, kao i da u te svrhe angažuju privatne institucije (religijske škole, npr.)

[Lord Protector]

O studijama teologije u Nemačkoj

Academic Theology in GermanyReinhard G. KratzTheological faculties in Germany are State institutions, guaranteed by agreementsbetween the autonomous Protestant regional churches (Landeskirchen) or the RomanCatholic Church and the State. Theology is one of the disciplines taught at the GermanState, or public, universities, which the State provides for the education and professionaltraining of its citizens; in this context of the university, mutual exchange betweentheology and other disciplines is promoted.At the same time the theological faculties in Germany also have a function for theChurch. On the one hand through their academic research and teaching, theycontribute to the development and growth of Christian knowledge. On the other handthey provide the academic training for the future clergy and teachers of religiousinstruction at German schools.Thus, theological faculties in Germany hold a dual legal status. This dual status reflectsthe interest of both the State and the Church. In conformity with German andEuropean academic tradition the theological faculties at State universities are establishedaccording to and protected by the constitutional right of freedom of religion. TheirState status protects them from patronising by the Church, their Church status fromencroachments by the State. The dual status guarantees the unrestricted freedom ofteaching and research at the theological faculties and for all their members, as long asthey keep to the laws and the Constitution—a fact that applies to all State institutions.As a consequence of the dual status of theological faculties their professors have aspecial standing in regard to their regulations of employment. They are appointed (as arule) into a tenured position, which demands loyalty towards the State and its laws, inparticular those that regulate the relationship of State and Church. At the same timethrough their research in the field of theology and Christian knowledge and throughtheir training of the future clergy and teachers of religion, they are required to serveChurch interests, with a corresponding demand for loyalty within, the rights and dutiesresulting from the State–Church contract.Because of this express duty to the Church, the position which a professor at atheological faculty holds is called a ‘konfessionsgebundenes Staatsamt’, i.e., his or herappointment depends, in addition to the ordinary prerequisites for a professorship, onhis or her belonging to the very church to which the faculty is affiliated. Thisrequirement has its foundation in the right of religious freedom which is guaranteedby the Constitution; it is the Constitution which grants that the teaching and trainingof the future clergy at the State University is only the Church’s concern, thusprotecting the religious autonomy of the Church. Academic theology as taught attheological faculties at State universities, including biblical and dogmatic criticism, isunderstood by the churches to belong to what concerns them. Therefore thedenominational prerequisite is not in contradiction to, but in agreement with, thefreedom of teaching and research.At the theological faculties in Germany, the professors who are teaching andresearching there and the students who are studying there, generally belong to thedenomination of their faculty. The degrees (Diplom, Magister, Promotion, Habilita-tion), insofar as they are theological degrees, are linked to the confessional status of thefaculty, either Protestant (including all member churches in the Ecumenical Council ofor Roman Catholic. In addition, persons of other denominations or religionsare free to study, teach and do research at theological faculties in Germany, becauseteaching and research are freely accessible to all and not bound by religious denomina-tion. Such persons, however, cannot hold denominationally bound public positions ortake exams for a denominationally bound theological degree (as above). Professorsbelonging to other Christian churches or non-Christian religions are welcome,according to the same rules and conditions as are professors of other—non-theological—faculties: theological faculties can invite them as guest professors or appointthem under special status, including full and unrestricted academic freedom. Students ofother churches are welcome, as are students from other faculties or non-theologicalstudy programmes who want to study one of the theological disciplines or do a courseprogramme in religious studies without the goal of acquiring a theological degree.There exists a long-standing interdisciplinary cooperation between the theological andthe philosophical faculty (i.e., the humanities department). Examinations are held byprofessors of the Theological Faculty together with professors of the PhilosophicalFaculty according to the regulations of the philosophical faculty.If we look at the history of academic theology, especially the historical criticism of theBible, it becomes obvious that most of its basic and often quite revolutionary researchand resulting schools of research—e.g. Pentateuch criticism, New Testament criticismand the History of Religions School—were and are found at denominationally boundtheological faculties. The churches often viewed this research and these schools withscepticism or even disapproval, but they have—at least as far as the Protestant churchesare concerned—never actually stopped or suppressed them; sometimes they have evenwelcomed and encouraged them. Today historical biblical criticism and criticism oftheology and the teachings of the Church form an undisputed part of the academic studycourse for the future clergy and teachers of religion, and their contribution to ourunderstanding of the church is widely acknowledged. The dual status of the theologicalfaculties in Germany thus functions as a guarantor of freedom in research and teaching.Here can be seen in what way a tolerant and liberal relationship between State andChurch does not prevent, but rather allows, a free academic theology.

[fonTelefon]

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