Josip Broz Tito i njegovo vreme

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Да видимо ко су те брадате сподобе:

Opet numeš čitati latinicu.

Ukoliko se iz spiskova bude utvrdilo da su u ostalim džakovima Brozove lične stvari...

Dakle, Tito je u državni sef stavljao stvari koje je smatrao dragocenim. Incidentno, propuštaš onaj deo gde je označio i šta slobodno da se tera u zlatne rezerve države u slučaju potrebe. Dakle, u sef X je trpao ono što je ostalo u dvoru od mukice kraljevića Petra i poispadalo u bežaniji ka Londonu, i posle povremeno tu dodavao ponešto od "ličnih stvari", koje je zapravo dobijao kao državnik - i sve to ostavio državi da raspolaže time kako smatra da treba nakon njegove smrti.Sve u svemu, smeta ti Hristoljublje kada Hrist ljubi druge. Ne zaboravi, Hristu je milije da traga za odbeglom ovčicom poput istinskog pastira nego da se druži sa stadom koje pitomo pase na poljani. Zato je milost Njegova tolika!P.S. termin "četnička logika" se odnosio na idiotski kontekst u koji se stavlja ta zaostavština od strane tupavih novinara i nezrele javnosti, kao i manijake sa interneta koji to tumače kako eto Tito mora da je drkao na to ordenje i bio hedonista koji se kupao u zlatu poput Baje Patka. Sve da se sakrije kako Šešeljevi razbojnici obijaju sefove po želji i raznose zaostavštinu predaka na sve strane sveta. Topolinom logikom dolazimo do toga da je to "bogatstvo" preživelo okupaciju, naciste, Gestapo, SS, Sovjete, beogradske dane NKVD, sve osvedočene zlikovce i pljačkaše, na kraju i Tita - ali neće Tomicu i Olivera. Edited April 18, 2013 by Filipenko

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Ja to ponavljam stalno, ali ne vredi. Usput, Tito je živeo u Beču sa Staljinom i Hitlerom. Sada ćemo slušati bajke o tome kako je to isti tip bolesnika, i da su se svi neuspešno lečili kod Frojda. Ono, četnička logika.

blicova resavska škola17 April 2013 Last updated at 23:10 GMT 1913: When Hitler, Trotsky, Tito, Freud and Stalin all lived in the same placeBy Andy Walker Today programme, BBC Radio 4 A century ago, one section of Vienna played host to Adolf Hitler, Leon Trotsky, Joseph Tito, Sigmund Freud and Joseph Stalin.In January 1913, a man whose passport bore the name Stavros Papadopoulos disembarked from the Krakow train at Vienna's North Terminal station.Of dark complexion, he sported a large peasant's moustache and carried a very basic wooden suitcase."I was sitting at the table," wrote the man he had come to meet, years later, "when the door opened with a knock and an unknown man entered."He was short... thin... his greyish-brown skin covered in pockmarks... I saw nothing in his eyes that resembled friendliness."The writer of these lines was a dissident Russian intellectual, the editor of a radical newspaper called Pravda (Truth). His name was Leon Trotsky. The Vienna of 1913

• Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin spent a month in the city, meeting Trotsky and writing Marxism and the National Question, with Nikolay Bukharin
• The neurologist Sigmund Freud moved to Vienna in 1860 as a child and left the city in 1938 after the Nazis annexed Austria
• Nazi leader Adolf Hitler is believed to have lived there between 1908 and 1913 where he struggled to make a living as a painter
• Josip Broz, later Yugoslav leader Marshal Tito, was a metalworker before being drafted into the Austro-Hungarian army
• Russian revolutionary Leon Trotsky lived in Vienna from about 1907 to 1914, launching paper Pravda - The Truth

• BBC History - The Rise of Adolf Hitler

The man he described was not, in fact, Papadopoulos.He had been born Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili, was known to his friends as Koba and is now remembered as Joseph Stalin.Trotsky and Stalin were just two of a number of men who lived in central Vienna in 1913 and whose lives were destined to mould, indeed to shatter, much of the 20th century.It was a disparate group. The two revolutionaries, Stalin and Trotsky, were on the run. Sigmund Freud was already well established.The psychoanalyst, exalted by followers as the man who opened up the secrets of the mind, lived and practised on the city's Berggasse.The young Josip Broz, later to find fame as Yugoslavia's leader Marshal Tito, worked at the Daimler automobile factory in Wiener Neustadt, a town south of Vienna, and sought employment, money and good times.Then there was the 24-year-old from the north-west of Austria whose dreams of studying painting at the Vienna Academy of Fine Arts had been twice dashed and who now lodged in a doss-house in Meldermannstrasse near the Danube, one Adolf Hitler. The characters would have spent much time in these same two square miles of central ViennaIn his majestic evocation of the city at the time, Thunder at Twilight, Frederic Morton imagines Hitler haranguing his fellow lodgers "on morality, racial purity, the German mission and Slav treachery, on Jews, Jesuits, and Freemasons"."His forelock would toss, his [paint]-stained hands shred the air, his voice rise to an operatic pitch. Then, just as suddenly as he had started, he would stop. He would gather his things together with an imperious clatter, [and] stalk off to his cubicle."If you wanted to hide out in Europe - then Vienna would be a good place to do it”[/indent]End Quote Charles Emmerson Research Fellow, Chatham HousePresiding over all, in the city's rambling Hofburg Palace was the aged Emperor Franz Joseph, who had reigned since the great year of revolutions, 1848.Archduke Franz Ferdinand, his designated successor, resided at the nearby Belvedere Palace, eagerly awaiting the throne. His assassination the following year would spark World War I.Vienna in 1913 was the capital of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, which consisted of 15 nations and well over 50 million inhabitants."While not exactly a melting pot, Vienna was its own kind of cultural soup, attracting the ambitious from across the empire," says Dardis McNamee, editor-in-chief of the Vienna Review, Austria's only English-language monthly, who has lived in the city for 17 years."Less than half of the city's two million residents were native born and about a quarter came from Bohemia (now the western Czech Republic) and Moravia (now the eastern Czech Republic), so that Czech was spoken alongside German in many settings."The empire's subjects spoke a dozen languages, she explains."Officers in the Austro-Hungarian Army had to be able to give commands in 11 languages besides German, each of which had an official translation of the National Hymn."And this unique melange created its own cultural phenomenon, the Viennese coffee-house. Legend has its genesis in sacks of coffee left by the Ottoman army following the failed Turkish siege of 1683. Cafe Landtmann, much frequented by Freud, remains popular to this day"Cafe culture and the notion of debate and discussion in cafes is very much part of Viennese life now and was then," explains Charles Emmerson, author of 1913: In Search of the World Before the Great War and a senior research fellow at the foreign policy think-tank Chatham House."The Viennese intellectual community was actually quite small and everyone knew each other and... that provided for exchanges across cultural frontiers."This, he adds, would favour political dissidents and those on the run."You didn't have a tremendously powerful central state. It was perhaps a little bit sloppy. If you wanted to find a place to hide out in Europe where you could meet lots of other interesting people then Vienna would be a good place to do it."Freud's favourite haunt, the Cafe Landtmann, still stands on the Ring, the renowned boulevard which surrounds the city's historic Innere Stadt.Trotsky and Hitler frequented Cafe Central, just a few minutes' stroll away, where cakes, newspapers, chess and, above all, talk, were the patrons' passions."Part of what made the cafes so important was that 'everyone' went," says MacNamee. "So there was a cross-fertilisation across disciplines and interests, in fact boundaries that later became so rigid in western thought were very fluid." Both Trotsky and Hitler sipped coffee under Cafe Central's magnificent archesBeyond that, she adds, "was the surge of energy from the Jewish intelligentsia, and new industrialist class, made possible following their being granted full citizenship rights by Franz Joseph in 1867, and full access to schools and universities."And, though this was still a largely male-dominated society, a number of women also made an impact.Alma Mahler, whose composer husband had died in 1911, was also a composer and became the muse and lover of the artist Oskar Kokoschka and the architect Walter Gropius.Though the city was, and remains, synonymous with music, lavish balls and the waltz, its dark side was especially bleak. Vast numbers of its citizens lived in slums and 1913 saw nearly 1,500 Viennese take their own lives.No-one knows if Hitler bumped into Trotsky, or Tito met Stalin. But works like Dr Freud Will See You Now, Mr Hitler - a 2007 radio play by Laurence Marks and Maurice Gran - are lively imaginings of such encounters.The conflagration which erupted the following year destroyed much of Vienna's intellectual life.The empire imploded in 1918, while propelling Hitler, Stalin, Trotsky and Tito into careers that would mark world history forever.You can hear more about Vienna's role in shaping the 20th Century on BBC Radio 4's Today programme on 18 April.

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Док су се остали спрдали, Тиле стругао метал.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2_gOpU0eWU

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Danas je najtužniji dan...ovi što veruju u sotonu slave jer im je veliki petak, a pristojan svet tuguje...

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Ja još gledam što neće jaja lepo da se ofarbaju...i njima je najtužniji dan.

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Ako ništa drugo, bar smo provalili šta je bilo sa Karađorđevića/Praslinovim ordenjem...

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Kakav mohawk

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Zeznuše me dušmani, a i ja ne razmišljam...sutra je taj dan, 4. maj :D Šta mu to dođe, velika subota?

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Blic je radio anketu medju citaocima, da li je Tito bio pozitivna ili negativna istorijska licnost.67,4% je glasalo da je Tito pozitivna istorijska licnost a 24,9% da nije.

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67,4% je glasalo da je Tito pozitivna istorijska licnost a 24,9% da nije.

valja biti krajnje oprezan s citiranjem novinskih anketa. uzorak - 10 ljudi iz redakcije i plus pet prvih slučajnih prolaznika...kuljić ima ono zanimljivo o titu u javnom i privatnom poretku sećanja.inače,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IutKIQfhmhM Edited May 4, 2013 by najgora

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Tu je B92 da nas podseti da je to bila takva jedna komuno-masončina poslata da uništi srpstvo da mu se ni datum rođenja ne zna, a što je tek srpskih vojnika pobio agitujući protiv rata u jedinici zbog čega su ga i poslali u zatvor i osudili na smrt pa ga ipak "samo" poslali na istočni front, to da ne govorimo...

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Ne znam za druge, ali meni je ovo dosta jako™...

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a propos lika&dela pogledati lordana zafranovića i poslednje svedoke testamenta brižljivo radjeno.

Edited May 4, 2013 by najgora