NOVI SAD

[giuseppe]

Kako manjinska verska zajednica prelazi u sektu, tj. kada se desi taj suptilan prelaz?... I kako se zakon odnosi prema jednima, a kako prema drugima? Sve i da je "sekta", malko mi neobičan pandurski pristup ovde.Stvarno me zanima, nisam pravnik.

[Sir Oliver]

Mene zanima koji su to zakon prekršili, pa ih proteruju iz zemlje?

[mlatko]

po meni: ako žele da deluju kao verska zajednica morali bi da se tako i registruju a ne da rade "under cover".pošto nemaju verske delatnosti ali su povezani sa tom Familijom na par nivoa stvari se komplikuju.dozvolu za boravak i rad im ne mora ni jedna zemlja odobriti.nisa ni ja pravnik :smoris:

[betty]

kisjuhas:

Razmena kultureLov na veštice je popularan sport, pogotovo ako je žrtva nevernik sa pasošem druge zemlje. Upravo to se dogodilo u Novom Sadu, kada je na nekakvom privatnom blogu koji sebe naziva informativnim portalom osvanuo (do sada jedini) senzacionalistički tekst o "ozloglašenoj sekti koja okuplja novosadsku omladinu".Sekta je "The Family International" ili "Familija", a okupljalište je kultni novosadski kafe i radionica za popravku i prodaju biciklova "Culture Exchange" ("Razmena kulture"), otvoren od strane nekih mladolikih stranaca. Sa podnaslovima poput "Familija bluda, nemorala i pedofilije" i "Seks (kafić) na biciklu", tekst je naveo i uputstvo "Kako prepoznati članove Familije" uz adrese stanovanja vlasnika i radnika kafea, njihove biografije, fotografije i profile na Fejsbuku. Jedino što tekstu nedostaje jesu obaveštenja o tome na kojoj novosadskoj pijaci kupiti najjeftinije baklje i užad za omču. Jer besne rulje ne manjka, a ni linčovanje nam nije strano. Sve ovo bi moglo biti predmet kvalitetnog naučnog rada o tome šta je loše i odvratno novinarstvo (sugestija za naslov: "Kako mali Perica zamišlja razotkrivanje globalne seksualne zavere", da u pitanju nije realna opasnost za tih nekoliko mladih ljudi. Jer svi elementi kvalitetne moralne panike su tu: stranci, seks, Isus, incest, srpstvo, čekićstvo i, naravno, deca.A šta je istina u celoj isfabrikovanoj priči? Prvo, Familija (ranije: Božja deca i Familija ljubavi) je zaista mala religijska zajednica nezgodne reputacije i nezgodnih praksi - kao, uostalom, i svaka firma koja trguje ljudskim strahom od smrti (koliko god kupaca imala). U pitanju je hrišćanski kult koji je 1968. godine nastao iz hipi pokreta i koji se Isusu želeo približiti preko - seksa. Na osnovu par biblijskih citata istrgnutih iz konteksta i prirodne ljudske želje za snoškarenjem, osnivač ovog kulta (Dejvid Berg) je izmislio banalnu teologiju o skorom kraju sveta i spasenju preko sveopšteg tucanja u zatvorenim komunama. Uz potrebu za humanitarnim radom, poštenjem, milosrđem i ostalim hrišćanarijama, naravno.Zbog seksualizovane prirode cele te verujuće stvari, postojali su slučajevi seksualnog zlostavljanja (dece) i incesta među članovima Familije, kao i prakse regrutacije novih članova putem zavođenja i seksualnih odnosa. Jer, dođavola, šta će vas privoleti nekom novom kultu ako ne seks na izvol'te? Tradicionalna konkurencija nudi samo keksić u vinu i večne muke ako masturbirate. Kult je vremenom doživeo mnoge transformacije i dopustio je veće slobode, ali i više dobrovoljnosti u vezi sa tim telesnim odnosima. Danas na svetu ima oko 10.200 članova ove zajednice, u oko 1.200 komuna, a među bivšim članovima Familije, kao deca, bili su i glumica Rouz Makgauan i glumac Hoakin Feniks.Drugo, novosadski kafe i "bajk kuhinju" "Culture Exchange" osnovalo je sedmoro mladih ljudi iz Engleske, Rusije, Sjedinjenih Država, Argentine i drugih zemalja sveta. Jednostavno, kao prijatelji su jedne godine došli na festival Egzit i odlučili da tu i ostanu. Uz džabe popravku biciklova, želeli su da ovde stvore prostor za razne i danas gotovo svakodnevne umetničke radionice i kulturne projekte koje obično organizuju lokalci, znajući da je "Culture Exchange" slobodna i besplatna zona za to. Dakle, prostor kakvih ima u svakom normalnom gradu koji sa razlogom nosi to ime. Puštaju se filmovi, uče se jezici, sluša se okej muzika, donose se pića i kolači, ljudi se upoznaju, druže i flertuju u odličnoj internacionalnoj i urbanoj atmosferi. Njihov greh - osim što sumanuto vole te dosadne dvotočkaše? Neki od njih jesu deca koja su rođena i odrasla u Familiji.Devojke i momci iz "Culture Exchange" ovo ne kriju (tako se i poznaju) i u svom zvaničnom saopštenju za javnost su to i naveli. Na nespretnom srpskom jeziku su dodali i da većina njih "generalno govoreći i dalje ima hrišćansku veru", ali i da su "vera i lično uverenje lična stvar i da ne bi trebalo da budu stvar ubeđivanja drugih ljudi", da "nijedna osoba niti religija nema monopol o istini" i da istinu svako od nas traži na svoj način. Međutim, kako ističu, prostor "Culture Exchange" ne pripada nijednoj religijskoj grupi, niti se koristi za religijsku propagandu, skupljanje članova neke sekte ili kulta i slično. Autor ovih redova, koji je sam ili sa prijateljima popio nebrojeno mnogo prekvalitetnih kafa i ostalih tekućina u dotičnom kafeu, može samo da potvrdi ove navode.Rečima osnivača, "Verovali ili ne, mi ne organizujemo pijane orgije usred noći niti prizivamo demone iz pakla prekriveni kozijom (sic) krvlju". Poznajući kontroverzni istorijat Familije, ovaj kolumnista sa setom mora da prizna da sve ovo vreme ipak nije propuštao pravu zabavu. Dođavola. "Majku mu, gde su te Isusove zavodnice i zašto me u svom telesnom vrbovanju zaobilaze?", zasigurno je bilo pitanje pod tastaturom svih posetilaca "Culture Exchange" nakon što se pojavio tekst o kafeu.Ipak, ovo maliciozno "istraživačko novinarstvo za siromašne", koje se kanceroidno proširilo društvenim mrežama, kod mnogih drugih je podgrejalo strahove od dežurnih babaroga, sektaša i sličnih sipača droge u piće. Naravno, autor zapaljivog teksta se nije potrudio da porazgovara sa samim osnivačima i/ili posetiocima i umesto toga se ponosi što njegov abortus od novinarstva prenose razni nacionalistički forumi i portali zahtevajući ljudsku, a ne kozju krv. Međutim, pravo pitanje je čega se sav taj svet zabrinut za duše i tela novosadske omladine zaista plaši? Uostalom, pedofilije i prostitucije u crkvi je otkad i crkve, a i ranije.Neodoljiva privlačnost (teme) kultova i iracionalni strah od njih proizvod su jedne vrlo turobne slike ljudske prirode, te razuma i slobode mladog čoveka. Ako zaista mislimo da je novosadska omladina toliko plastelinski plastična da je par biciklista sa dobrom kafom može preobratiti u orgijastičke pedofile, mi (o) toj omladini ne mislimo dobro. Ili se plašimo zbog implicitnog saznanja da su sve religije, pa i ona koja nas lično obuzima, manje-više zakotrljane na isti način: harizmatičnim vođom koji predvodi sektu posvećenika zadojenih nekonvencionalnim idejama i praksama. Pa, zaustavljajući istoriju, kultovima i sektama negiramo pravo da postoje, valjajući se u iluziji sopstvene posebnosti.Uprkos dobroj pripremi za to, izuzetno je važno da neke kamenice ne polete prema prozorima ili glavama ovih mladih i bistrih biciklista, avanturista i kulturnjaka. Da odgovorimo potvrdno na to imaju li neki ljudi pravo da budu bivši ili sadašnji, voljni ili nevoljni, pripadnici nekonvencionalnog kulta. Tako je, nad Novim Sadom tutnji "čak" šest tornjeva "tradicionalnih" crkvi, ali ima li u njemu mesta za njih 66 ili pak 666? Zar je strano uvek i nastrano? Važno je da li sedmoro mladih ljudi iz inostranstva, sa istorijatom pripadanja kontroverznoj verskoj grupi, može da preživi ovaj grad. Iako oni tom gradu čak i ne nude religiju, već samo kulturu i šolju tople kafe.Šira poenta, dakle, nije u Familiji ili u kafeu "Culture Exchange", već u tome da li novosadska palanka, koja se pompezno diči svojim multikulturalizmom, može da ga pokaže i u praksi? Ili Novi Sad, jednom prilikom samozvani "Grad kulture", na strance, druge i drugačije, reaguje strahom, etiketama i, ako baš želimo, raspećem. Koja je kultura koju, u razmeni, mi nudimo?

[aram]

Naravno, autor zapaljivog teksta se nije potrudio da porazgovara sa samim osnivačima i/ili posetiocima...

eh, sad... doduše tek za drugi deo članka, ali bolje ikad nego nikad, zar ne

Dear founding members of the Culture Exchange,As we are preparing to publish the second part of the article on Teleprompter, we would like you to answer a couple of questions in order to clarify any ambiguities.Some of the questions pertain to particular memebrs of the Culture Exchange and others pertain to the group as a whole.1. @Anna Powdril – In you interview with RTV you claim that "you understand the situation in this country". Would you be so kind to explain the situation in Serbia that you understand? What situation do you understand and how did you come to that conclusion?2. @Simon Wilson – It has come to our attention that you had drawn a picture where a "huge woman" is stomping on the Svetozar Miletic monument in the center of Novi Sad. We would like to know if you know the history of Svetozar Miletic and what he and his monument represent? If yes, please tell us what you know. Also, please tell us what kind of emotions would arise if someone were to come to your country, to your town and draw a similar picture? Do you think it is fair and friendly to come to a foreign city, take up residence, become accepted by the community and present yourself as someone who is here to better life in Novi Sad and draw a picture that suggests the opposite?3. @Evdoxia Seitanidou – It has come to our attention that you use the name Thoxa on all public websites and promotional material. Why is there a need to use different names? Are you aware that misrepresentation is a criminal offence in Serbia? What is your legal name?4. @All – Could you all please tell us, in detail, about your affiliation with Geoffrey (Andrew) and Anna Wormus? When did your cooperation with them and their organization Healing Hearts Balkans start? How did you get in touch with them? Could you tell us exactly what places, institutions and schools had you visited with them? Also, could you please describe, in detail, what you had done during visits to schools, hospitals and similar institutions? We have pictures to document some of the visits to hospitals and schools.5. @Anna Powdrill – In one interview you claim that you had come to Serbia with the help of a humanitarian organization. Could you please tell us the name of that humanitarian organization? When had you started volunteering for that particular organization? What activities had you engaged in during your visit with that particular humanitarian organization?6. @Simon Wilson – Could you please tell us more about your organization New Bottle Radicals? What does the name exactly mean and why had you chosen that particular name? Where is/was the organization registered and what were its main activities? Why is there no internet site where we could find more information about the organization? If it is closed, why is it closed? If it is still active, where is it active and could you describe the main activities of the organization?7. @Simon Wilson – It has come to our attention that you posted a video on Viddler under the name “Exit 2008 – The Family International – New Bottle Radicals”. We would like to know why had the video disappeared? Also, could you tell us about you visit to Novi Sad in 2008 with the Family International? Could you please tell us about your dealings with the Christian organization the Family International? Are you or have you been a member of the Family International? If yes, could you tell us about your activities in the TFI? If no, could you please tell us about your affiliation with the TFI during your visit to Novi Sad in 2008 and New Bottle Radicals?8. @Simon Wilson – Could you please explain your motivation to draw a picture with the logo of the Family International? What does the picture represent? Who was the inspiration behind the picture of the naked woman on the bicycle? Are you aware of the controversial past of the Family International?9. @All – Could you all please confirm or reject your membership in the Christian organization the Family International? If your response to Danilo Redzepovic you claim that some of the member have been born into the Family International. Could you tell us which founding members of Culture Exchange were born into the Family? Do those members still hold a membership with that Christian organization? If they do not hold membership with the Family, could you tell us when they gave up their membership and why? Have they experienced abuse of any kind during their childhood in the Family? Would you say that they were part of the Second Generation of the Family?10. @All – Could you please tell us why you decided to live in Novi Sad? How long are you planning to stay in Novi Sad? Could you describe you future plans?11. @All – We have been in contact with the Family International Information Desk in London for the past week. They were not able to confirm or reject your membership in the Family. They claim that they have no connections with the members of Culture Exchange. In your response you admitted that some of the members are in some way connected with the Family through their parents. We would like you to comment on that. In other words, tell us your opinion based on why the Family Information Desk refused to neither confirm nor reject your claims in your response to Danilo Redzepovic.12. @Former owners of the Early Birds Kids Club – Could you please give us the names of the former owners of the Early Birds Kids Club? When had the kindergarten closed down? Why was it closed down? For how long was it active? How many members did it have? What kind of activities had you organized for the children? Did you have legal permission from the Ministry of Education of the Republic of Serbia to operate a kindergarten?13. @Anna Powdrill – We have recently come across your picture on the official Facebook page of the Family International (facebook.com/thefamilyinternational). Please tell us why your picture is located on their official Facebook page? Could you please tell us about your affiliation with Family? Have you ever participated in their humanitarian work? Where had you done humanitarian work and what kind of work had you done? Are you aware of the controversial past of the Family International?14. @All – In your statements to various media outlets you claim that you have been getting threats. Could you please forward those threats to us? We would like to analyze their content and determine their authenticity. Have you reported those threats to the police? We contacted the police and they were not able to confirm that you had supplied documentation which prove your claims.15. @All – We have come across various interviews where you claim that you are all volunteers and do not receive pay for your work. Could you tell us for whom you volunteer and based on what income do you manage to survive? We understand that Novi Sad is cheaper compared to the UK or the USA, but you still need to survive. Do you have signed volunteer contracts, if so, with whom?16. @All – Could you confirm or reject the statement that you all live in a commune? In other words, do all of the members of the Culture Exchange live together?Those are questions that would helps us a great deal. We want to present the Culture Exchange, its members and the Family International in the most appropriate way. If you think that some of the questions are too personal or if you are not comfortable answering them, you do not have to answer them. We only ask you to be truthful, honest and detailed in your answers. We believe that the above questions can be answered in a time frame of three days. If you should need more time, please contact us. We would like to inform you that the answers you provide will be used in the second part of the article.Thank you very much for your time! Sincerely,Teleprompter Editorial StaffDear Danilo,I don't mind answering any questions about my life, I am a normal 24 year old girl, however because of the obvious intent of your writing to hurt us and the way you slandered us, I do not feel comfortable to answer any of your questions, I hope you understand, we are normal people trying to operate a business in a legal way.Thank youDear Anna Powrdill,We are very saddened by the fact that you are not willing to cooperate with us. If you strongly believe that we have published information that was incorrect or has "slandered" you in any way, we urge you to refute any of those claims and provide sold proof that we had been wrong. In your response to our Editor-in-Chief Danilo Redzepovic, you invited anyone who has any questions to contact you. We did that, but you refused to cooperate with us. It is common practice and in your best interest to refute any "allegations" that you deem untrue. Having mentioned that, we have to inform you that we have gathered information needed for the second article ourselves from independent sources. We will publish that information and we will also publish your latest answer to us as a response to our inquiry for further information. Thank you very much for you cooperation.Sincerely,TELEPROMPTER Editorial Staff

[Аврам Гојић]

po meni: ako žele da deluju kao verska zajednica morali bi da se tako i registruju a ne da rade "under cover".pošto nemaju verske delatnosti ali su povezani sa tom Familijom na par nivoa stvari se komplikuju.dozvolu za boravak i rad im ne mora ni jedna zemlja odobriti.

ovako otprilike izgleda razmisljanje tipicne malogradjanske drukare. cuj, "stvari se komplikuju". ne komplikuje se nista nego ti se svidja demonstracija drzavne moci. Edited October 2, 2013 by Marko M. Dabovic

[Аврам Гојић]

još od letos sam se zainteresovao za njihovu priču, osuđujem linčovanje ali neke stvari ne razumem. ako jesu povezani sa tom sektom Familija ne bi smeli to da kriju a ako nisu dovoljo je da dokažu na jasan i nedvosmislen način.naime vlasnica kafea Ana Marija Povrdilje navodno i na slici Facebook Family stranice sektemeni izgleda kao da može biti devojka na prvoj slici,... ne mora da znači ništa ali može biti dovoljno...

ti bi tako pricao i o Jevrejima 1941. godine. to je tacno taj smrdljivi, odurni, potuljeni, temeljno zli palanacki duh koji, gistro, "osudjuje lincovanje" ali mu to ne smeta da potkazuje, cinkari, bavi se amaterskim istragama, i tupavo veruje svakoj denuncijaciji.cuj, "da dokazuju da nisu u sekti". kome bre da dokazuju, da li si ti normalan jebote, u cije ime ti to trazis, u ime fasista iz Dveri? Edited October 2, 2013 by Marko M. Dabovic

[Turnbull]

+1 na oba Dabovićeva posta.Šta znači, "povezani su sa Familijom"? Većina vaspitača u srpskim vrtićima je "povezana sa SPC", i šta sad?Versko opredljenje je, verovali ili ne, privatna stvar, i niko ne mora da ga obelodanjuje ako to ne želi. (Mada, koliko shvatam, oni to uopšte nisu krili)

[Аврам Гојић]

ja hocu da Mlatko dokaze da nije povezan sa fasistickom organizacijom Dveri, na jasan i nedvosmislen nacin. sad sam se zainteresovao za njegov slucaj.

[belch]

u kafiću ni u jednom trenutku nije bilo nikakve propagande, nikakve.razmišljali su da pokrenu nešto slično i u bgu, i ni tu nisu spomenuli nikakvu religijukakve gluposti, muka mi jeljudi su stvarno fini, ne razumem zašto se ovo dešava

[Аврам Гојић]

u kafiću ni u jednom trenutku nije bilo nikakve propagande, nikakve.razmišljali su da pokrenu nešto slično i u bgu, i ni tu nisu spomenuli nikakvu religijukakve gluposti, muka mi jeljudi su stvarno fini, ne razumem zašto se ovo dešava

Proizvodnja neprijatelja. Business as usual. Naravno tu su i dezurna maloumna i zla klepetala da podrze hajku.

[giuseppe]

Aj ako neko ide tamo, nek se javi sa lica mesta kako izgleda.Edit: na konferenciju u 15h, tojest

Edited October 2, 2013 by giuseppe

[Lezilebovich]

to je strah od sekti koji je duboko usađen ovde. sve je u redu, ali to što su u sekti, e to je već onda zajebano.

[jms_uk]

eh, sad... doduše tek za drugi deo članka, ali bolje ikad nego nikad, zar ne

Ova 'novinarska' pitanja vise lice na neko policijsko isledjivanje.

[Аврам Гојић]

pitanja su horor. meni je potpuno jasno ko ovde zapravo zasluzuje policijski tretman, nalik na onaj u Grckoj protiv Zlatne Zore.

Edited October 2, 2013 by Marko M. Dabovic