Avijacija u Srba i regionu

[hazard]

ili JAT ne može više da pokrije čartere sa raspoloživom flotom,

tipujem na ovo

[twisted]

mislim da je u pitanju cena, jat je preskup za čarter

[Đipalo Junuz]

Verovatno je da je JAT preskup za čarter, ali do sad je uvek bilo nacionalni tim + nacionalni avioprevoznik, pa u novinama: 'Šampioni Evrope dolaze JAT-ovim avionom...', 'Naša reprezentacija je stigla u _______ čarter letom nacionalnog avioprevoznika'...

[Ledja]

Nije stvar u ceni, samo raspolozivost aviona kada sportskim ekipama treba, a to je uglavnom izmedju dva treninga,tj u sred dana.

[dare...]

Montenegro je jeftiniji za te sportske čartere i van špica sezone ima slobodnih aviona na par dana...Inače pozdrav iz Rige gde raduckam nešto. Air Baltic sigurno nije u igri za JAT, iako je pominjano, da je za nekoga kupio tendersku dokumentaciju. Tačnije isti je u debelom sranju i nejasnom vlasničkom nadjebavanju, tako da ni zaposleni nisu sigurni da li će sledeće godine uopšte leteti...Montenegro je kažu, dobio JAT za 1 ceo evro na tenderu za MAT (Makedonci). Pa će novi MAT ukoliko ikad poleti, to raditi sa 2 Fokkera najverovatnije...

Edited October 14, 2011 by dare...

[jms_uk]

Inače pozdrav iz Rige gde raduckam nešto. Air Baltic sigurno nije u igri za JAT

For now there is reached agreement between shareholders and governmet togeather with other parties will raise BT's share capital by a little bit more than 100M LVL (about 150M EUR), there will be some kind of government loan to the company and Flick is kicked out from his director post in company. There will be member of the board consisting of 3 people and now they are looking for new CEO.Now there are promises that there will be no unanounced flight cancellations, but it is known that flight frequency on some routes will be reduced and some routes will closed. Still not anounced which routes, but there are rumors that in winter 2011/2012 BT will cancel Athens, some flights to Brussels, Vilnius and Tallinn.It is expected that it will take about a year to stabilize company.

cemu je prethodilo ovo u septembru:

Air Baltic seems to be in trouble. They have been cancelling loads of flights lately, including some that were sold out. The company apparently has substantial debts including to the Riga airport, and there is a huge fight underway between the Latvian government that owns a bit over a majority of the stock and a private investor which owns the remainder and is managing the airline. The investor is demanding the government kick in more money, and many suspect the rampant flight cancellations are an attempt to force them to provide it.

Update: from a message from our travel office, Air Baltic has now cancelled 723 flights in October and 726 flights in November, and temporary let half of their staff go.

Today's information about airBaltic from Latvian press - they have initiated in the court process in order to save themselves from creditors so obviously they have solvency problems.

[hazard]

http://exyuaviation.blogspot.com/2011/10/jats-ceo-nightmare.html

Jat Airways has in the past ten years suffered from significant political interference and bad management which has seen it change six CEOs since 2001, all of which have been members of the ruling political parties. Recently, EX-YU aviation news has been inundated with e-mails from Jat’s employees writing about the astounding practices of their current management. The same case was observed last year, before the then CEO was sacked by the government due to mounting public pressure. EX-YU aviation takes a look back at CEOs past and present and asks whether this sort of unprofessionalism has bought the airline to its knees.Vladimir Ognjenović, in office 2010 - presentAs the nephew of one of the creator’s of Serbia’s largest governing party, Vladimir Ognjenović seemed like a natural choice for CEO of one of Serbia’s largest national companies. During his reign, Ognjenović has managed to increase the company’s losses and has recently ordered the suspension of several key routes. Among them are Stuttgart, Tel Aviv and Dubai, the latter which has bought the airline thousands of passengers and income thanks to a lucrative deal with Emirates. However, even before low cost airline Flydubai announced its service launch to the Serbian capital, Ognjenović ordered its cancellation for the upcoming winter season. In the end, he backed away from suspending flights to Tel Aviv and Stuttgart but is firm on discontinuing services to Dubai. It should be noted that Ognjenović was the vice CEO during the reign of Srdjan Radovanović (read below) and Commercial Director during Saša Vlaisavljević, both of which were declared incompetent by the government. Vladimir Ognjenović went as far as issuing a public letter of support for Srdjan Radovanović who he replaced.Srdjan Radovanović, in office 2009 - 2010Going down as one of Jat’s worst CEOs, being a member of Serbia’s largest governing party, Radovanović employed for his Financial Director an individual without a university degree and employed many others in marketing instead of cutting down on employee numbers. Having never worked at Jat (or any other airline), Radovanović, a lawyer by profession, lacked the basics of running a carrier, choosing instead to focus on free taxi services and travel insurance for passengers. Radovanović also planned for Jat tickets to be sold at post offices across the country. During his reign Jat’s technical and catering divisions went on strike, the former paralysing the airline for a week and the latter saw passengers receive only water on flights for three months. He also transferred powers from the Executive Board to the CEO allowing him, and those that preceded him, to determine route suspensions and launches and other operational decisions without consultating other relevant departments. Radovanović is now the advisor to Vladimir Ognjenović.Saša Vlaisavljević, in office 2007 - 2009Thanks to political connections, Vlaisavljević managed to rise from the position of Jat’s ground handler to CEO over night. During his time, the bulk of the management was replaced with those from the airline’s handling division at Belgrade Airport. Vlaisavljević heavily reduced the airline’s network of destinations, closed several key representative offices around Europe (where ticket sales rapidly decreased afterwards). He is also ‘credited’ with signing a damaging agreement with Montenegro Airlines from which Jat is still recovering. Vlaisavljević also made several announcements during his reign that Jat will go bankrupt which caused extensive damage to the company’s business. After being declared incompetent to lead the airline, the government awarded him with a job as Belgrade’s City Manager but it lasted for three weeks before he got into a dispute with the city mayor. He now serves as one of the many Vice Presidents of Serbia’s Chamber of Commerce.Nebojša Starčević, in office 2005 - 2007Coming from a small insignificant party within the governing coalition, Starčević spoke out against competition and the granting of licenses to other airlines to operate to Serbia. A few years later when he was promoted as head of Serbia and Montenegro’s Civil Aviation Directorate he argued that Jat had no future and granted rights to every airline to operate flights to the Serbian capital. Starčević had no experience in running an airline, working beforehand at a “Centrotekstil” shop in Moscow. He famously told the media that he never flies Jat because he wants to leave free seats for potential passengers. During his reign more than half of Jat’s fleet was grounded.Aleksandar Miltuinović, in office 2004 - 2005Milutinović’s short reign as CEO will be remembered as the closest Jat got to declaring bankruptcy. During the year, Jat technicians went on strike for over a month. The walkout was followed by cabin crew and pilots. The airline was forced to lease foreign aircraft and technicians from Tunisia. After his handling of the strikes, Milutinović was sacked as CEO but was soon rewarded by being posted as the representative of the airline in Athens.Predrag Vujović, in office 2001 - 2004Vujović’s reign was marred by mass layoffs within the airline which at the time counted over 2.000 employees. During his time the airline rebranded as Jat Airways and resumed many services. His downfall came after he got into a dispute with the airline’s pilot union. He later unsuccessfully tried to launch the low cost airline Centavia. Vujović now works privately but was a few years ago posted as advisor to the Minister of Infrastructure in the Serbian government.A worrying trend is that all of Jat’s recent CEOs were later promoted to other positions despite all being sacked due to mismanagement. EX-YU aviation news has over the past two years reported on mismanagement in other national airlines in the former Yugoslavia as the trend is not unique to Jat.

[badenac]

20.10.2011 / Izvor: Lufthansa Poslednjeg dana letnjeg reda letenja (30. oktobra 2011.) biće prekinuta saradnja Lufthanse i Jat Airways-a. Od tog dana više neće postojati zajednički letovi (code share) na linijama Lufthanse ka Minhenu i Frankfurtu i Jata ka Diseldorfu i Frankfurtu.Dve kompanije će nastaviti da lete do ovih gradova svaka za sebe, samostalno a putnici će ostati uskraćeni i za mogućnost kombinovanja letova.Komercijalni sporazum Lufthanse i Jat Airways-a prestaje da važi tog dana a tada će osim zajedničkih letova biti ukinuta i saradnja u okviru "Miles and More" programa za nagrađivanje stalnih putnika čiji je pokretač Lufthansa."Lufthansa prekida saradnju sa srpskom kompanijom zbog komercijalnih razloga. Putnici Lufthanse koji su već kupili karte za letove koje obavlja Jat Airways u periodu nakon 30. oktobra 2011. biće prebačeni na originalne Lufthansine letove kadgod je to moguće" - izjavio nam je Klaus Gorni, menadžer za komunikacije nemačkog avio giganta.Saradnja u okviru odgovarajućih frequent flyer programa (Miles and More i drugi Star Alliance programi) biće prekinuta 1. aprila 2012. godine. Sve nagradne milje ostvarene na letovima (Jat Airways-a) biće prihvaćene do tog datuma.Na postavljeno pitanje o razlozima za prekid saradnje sa Jatom, od Lufthanse smo dobili sledeći odgovor: "Svaki bilateralni sporazum mora imati komercijalne prednosti što nije bio slučaju u saradnji sa Jatom. Naši putnici nisu mogli da koriste sve prednosti Lufthansine usluge i sve opcije koje su inače raspoložive na Lufthansinim letovima. Lufthansa je pažljivo proučila situaciju i donela odluku da raskine jedino ovaj sporazum od ukupno 35 sličnih koliko ima sa drugim aviokompanija širom sveta, isključivo iz komercijalnih razloga".U Lufthansi su još dodali da je "sporazum sa Jatom postojao od 2004. godine i njegova primena protekla bez problema i uz dobru saradnju dve kompanije."

[jms_uk]

moze neki link za ovo, pogotovo ako ima na engleskom? hvala!

20.10.2011 / Izvor: Lufthansa Poslednjeg dana letnjeg reda letenja (30. oktobra 2011.) biće prekinuta saradnja Lufthanse i Jat Airways-a. Od tog dana više neće postojati zajednički letovi (code share) na linijama Lufthanse ka Minhenu i Frankfurtu i Jata ka Diseldorfu i Frankfurtu.Dve kompanije će nastaviti da lete do ovih gradova svaka za sebe, samostalno a putnici će ostati uskraćeni i za mogućnost kombinovanja letova.Komercijalni sporazum Lufthanse i Jat Airways-a prestaje da važi tog dana a tada će osim zajedničkih letova biti ukinuta i saradnja u okviru "Miles and More" programa za nagrađivanje stalnih putnika čiji je pokretač Lufthansa."Lufthansa prekida saradnju sa srpskom kompanijom zbog komercijalnih razloga. Putnici Lufthanse koji su već kupili karte za letove koje obavlja Jat Airways u periodu nakon 30. oktobra 2011. biće prebačeni na originalne Lufthansine letove kadgod je to moguće" - izjavio nam je Klaus Gorni, menadžer za komunikacije nemačkog avio giganta.Saradnja u okviru odgovarajućih frequent flyer programa (Miles and More i drugi Star Alliance programi) biće prekinuta 1. aprila 2012. godine. Sve nagradne milje ostvarene na letovima (Jat Airways-a) biće prihvaćene do tog datuma.Na postavljeno pitanje o razlozima za prekid saradnje sa Jatom, od Lufthanse smo dobili sledeći odgovor: "Svaki bilateralni sporazum mora imati komercijalne prednosti što nije bio slučaju u saradnji sa Jatom. Naši putnici nisu mogli da koriste sve prednosti Lufthansine usluge i sve opcije koje su inače raspoložive na Lufthansinim letovima. Lufthansa je pažljivo proučila situaciju i donela odluku da raskine jedino ovaj sporazum od ukupno 35 sličnih koliko ima sa drugim aviokompanija širom sveta, isključivo iz komercijalnih razloga".U Lufthansi su još dodali da je "sporazum sa Jatom postojao od 2004. godine i njegova primena protekla bez problema i uz dobru saradnju dve kompanije."

[badenac]

Da li je ovo realno?

Ono sto bi takodje bilo veoma zanimljivo i dobro za Srbiju jeste i treca kategorija letelica pored pomenutih "velikih" B737 i Airbusa, i regionalnih Embraera i ATR-ova. To su ERJ (Embraer Regional Jet) letelice, mlazni avioni sa 27-45 mesta, koji malo trose, i bili bi apsolutno idealno resenje za kratke feeder letove iz Srbije ka Beogradu, ili cak iz blizeg regiona. Avionski saobracaj nikada nece zameniti autobuski ili zeleznicki, ako letova ne bude puno i ako ne budu pristupacni, a ovo je jedina sansa da tako i bude. Onda bi avion od 26 mesta mogao dva ili tri puta dnevno leteti za Beograd iz Kraljeva, Sombora, Vrsca, Nisa, Uzica - em bi putovanje do Beograda bilo brze i udobnije, em bi gradjani cele zemlje konacno imali priliku da lete avionom i dalje ka inostranstvu bez klackanja u kolima ili autobusu do Beograda.

[Zverilla]

ipak air baltic?...@badenac: ne. te linije bi bile konstantno prazne. skoro svi imaju rodbinu u bg.u ili auto. sto je efikasnije/isplativije nego da preletis uzice-bg i onda presedis ceo dan na aeordoromu cekajuci svoj vezni let (jer tesko da bi leteli vise od 1put dnevno). Edited November 2, 2011 by Zverilla

[jms_uk]

ipak air baltic?...

Ako i oni uspeju da se srede do tada...

[badenac]

Da li je ovo jedini slucaj?

Bez dozvole pilotirao Jatovim „boingom“Boris Vuković | 09. 11. 2011. - 02:00h | Foto: fonet ap | Pilot Predrag Premović, zaposlen u „Jat ervejzu”, pilotirao je od aprila do septembra kao kapetan aviona B737-300 bez odgovarajuće dozvole. Prema rešenju koje je potpisala inspekcija Direkcije za civilno vazduhoplovstvo, konstatovano je da Premović nema validnu dokumentaciju da bi mogao da bude kapetan aviona, da ne postoje dokazi o sprovedenoj obuci i hitno su izdali nalog da se stopira dalje letenje pilota Predraga Premovića.Pilot trenutno radi kao savetnik u „Jatu“Direkcija za civilno vazduhoplovstvo dobila je prijavu da pilot Predrag Premović, koji je ove godine prešao iz „Aviogeneksa” u „Jat ervejz”, nema adekvatnu dozvolu kao kapetan aviona. Inspekcija Direkcije, koju su činili Vesna Marković i Jovan Jovanović, izvršila je 28. septembra proveru u „Jat ervejzu” i u zapisniku navela brojne nepravilnosti.

[jms_uk]

Državna revizorska institucija podnela je tužilaštvu u Beogradu prijavu za privredni prestup protiv kompanije JAT ervejz i više odgovornih osoba tog preduzeća.

[hazard]

I sta, neko ce da plati kaznu od 10 soma dinara, i to je to...to, koliko se secam iz ranijih slucajeva, zakon predvidja...I kada ce konacno ljudi prestati da pisu "JAT"? Ne zove se tako firma odavno.