Bajden - jedno staro i očekivano presidency?

[ObiW]

 

6 minutes ago, Weenie Pooh said:

 

Half-measures, jebiga. Taj koji se žali što ga država Indija ne pušta da prodaje vakcinu na lokalu po x10 većim cenama trebalo bi da peva od sreće što mu je dozvoljeno da izvozi.

 

Pa to. Moglo je da bude ko u Americi, nema izvoz, ovoliko ti placamo i cao. 

 

6 minutes ago, Weenie Pooh said:

pa da krenu da dele vakcine besplatno dok se situacija ne stabilizuje. A posle neka prodaje po tržišnim cenama gde god hoće, kad potražnja ionako bude opala.

 

E to je resenje koje je Amerika primenila. 

[Weenie Pooh]

S tom razlikom što Indija i SAD nisu uporedive po platežnoj moći, ali dobro™.

[Weenie Pooh]

U kontekstu ove priče o vakcinaciji, evo primera iz severnog komšiluka, bogata zemlja koja ne kapira najbolje razliku između uvoza i proizvodnje:

 

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In summer 2020, Canada was one of the first countries in the world to sign contracts with Pfizer and Moderna, and by the fall, Ottawa had locked down sufficient advance supply agreements and other deals with other companies to deliver some 414 million doses of vaccine. For a population of roughly thirty-seven million, this would have been sufficient to deliver two doses to everyone in the country almost six times over — more vaccines per capita than any other nation in the world (later tallies would put the figure at “merely” four times over). The shopping spree was trumpeted with pride by the government, even as some such as Amnesty International thought it a Canada-first overkill that could limit access to poorer countries.

 

But in late November, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau had to dampen expectations, warning the nation that other countries would in fact be first in line. “One of the things to remember is Canada no longer has any domestic production capacity for vaccines,” he said during one of his regular COVID-19 press conferences. “We used to have it decades ago, but we no longer have it.”

 

A publicly owned medical research and therapeutic manufacturing facility, Connaught Labs, was established in 1914 in Toronto. It would go on to be recognized as a world-class vaccine research and development (R&D) and production outfit that passed on much of its output, including insulin, for free, at cost, or near cost. Indeed, when the United States lacked the ability to test and mass produce Jonas Salk’s polio vaccine, it was this Canadian outfit that initially filled that gap.

 

But in the 1970s, as the neoliberal revolution took hold in Canada as much as it did anywhere else in the Western world, Connaught Labs’ mandate was shifted from public health to profit-making, and in 1986 was privatized by the then-Conservative government of Brian Mulroney.

 

Unable to compete against larger multinational pharmaceutical giants, it was eventually swallowed up by French firm Merieux (now itself part of Sanofi). A private, Québec-based vaccine manufacturer, IAF BioChem, was no less squeezed and it was purchased by GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) in the 2000s. Sanofi and GSK still make vaccines in Canada, but decision-making about such production rests with their corporate headquarters outside the country.

 

Indeed, there has been tremendous consolidation in the industry far beyond Canada, and a wholesale retreat from private sector interest in vaccine manufacture and R&D (due to insufficient profitability compared to drugs servicing chronic diseases) over the past four decades. In the 1970s, there were some twenty-five major firms worldwide producing vaccines, but by the mid-2000s this number had declined to just five, according to the US Institute of Medicine.

 

On at least five separate occasions, the federal government was warned by high-level bodies that domestic vaccine supply in the face of future pandemics was fragile.
The threat that the decline in domestic manufacturing capacity posed to vaccine supply in Canada did not go unnoticed in the clinical community. On at least five separate occasions, the federal government was warned by high-level bodies that domestic vaccine supply in the face of future pandemics was fragile...

 

 

Ceo tekst je poduži, ali nije nezanimljiv.

[ObiW]

1 hour ago, Weenie Pooh said:

S tom razlikom što Indija i SAD nisu uporedive po platežnoj moći, ali dobro™.

A troskovi proizvodnje su uporedivi, jel da? 

 

 - Vlast suspenduje izvoz, vlast kaze proizvodjacu koliko ce da mu plati (materijal+ troskovi proizvodnje + amortizacija, nista profit), i dok ne isporuci toliko i toliko vakcina slobodnog trzista nece videti. To je tvoja ideja.  Anduril gleda i neverue kolko nisi solidaran sa Brazilom i Meksikom. 

Edited April 22, 2021 by ObiW

[Weenie Pooh]

31 minutes ago, ObiW said:

A troskovi proizvodnje su uporedivi, jel da? 

 

Pa ono kao, jedni imaju milijardu stanovnika više a drugi imaju deset puta veći GDP, ali šta sad.

 

Jednima pandemija naglo eskalira poslednjih godinu dana a drugima popušta, ali šta sad.

 

Jednima je 65% stanovništa ispod granice siromaštva a drugima 9%, ali šta sad.

 

Jedni su klasičan primer trećeg sveta a jedni su neosporni vladari prvog, ali šta sad.

 

Realno si sve u pravu, Amerika i Indija, isti kurac.

[ObiW]

Weenie: Ja bi kaznio Indijskog farmaceutskog mahera tako sto bih  mu onemogucio da izvozi boc-boc dok se svi kodkuce zadjabe™ ne vakcinisu.

 

ObiW: cekaj, pa to se upravo sad tako radi u Americi. Gde je tu solidarnost sa Mehiko i Braziu?

 

Weenie: nesto nesto GDP, nesto nesto siromastvo, nesto nesto  jebote zajebao sam se aj malo da dizem galamu da se ne primeti.

[Weenie Pooh]

Ne kapiram gde sam se to zajebao, možda mešaš Andurila i mene, ali biće da po običaju čitaš unakrst i laprdaš bezveze.

 

Nema nikakvog osnova za kritiku "America first" pristupa u zemlji onako teško pogođenoj zarazom, a manje-više isto važi i za Britance.

 

Da, pandemija je globalni problem. Da, novi sojevi virusa se razvijaju u područjima gde situacija nije pod kontrolom. Ali ne, to se ne rešava fantomskom nacionalnom solidarnošću i forsiranjem izvoza. Kad eliminišemo profitni motiv u R&D/proizvodnji vakcina, moći ćemo da pričamo o solidarnosti i strateškoj distribuciji na globalnom planu.

 

I nemoj više da se brukaš poređenjima Indije i Amerike, života ti. Praviš mi prevelik transfer neprijatnosti, čoveče, ne mogu više ni da uživam čitajući gluposti.

[Weenie Pooh]

5 hours ago, Mos said:

Ne ulazim u to da li su razlozi za sporu vakcinaciju u EU ekonomske, humanitarne ili transportne prirode. Veoma je blamazno da meni doktorka u Becu kao transplantiranom pacijentu u februaru kaze: "Idi odmah za Srbiju da te vakcinise Vucic, mi necemo moci da te vakcinisemo pre septembra. Trenutno molimo da nam odobre 200 vakcina u okviru studije malo pre tog datuma."

 

Blamažno™ jeste, ali zašto se ne baviti razlozima? Pogledaj Filipsov tekst koji sam linkovao gore, osim Kanade opisuje i EU kao negativan primer (plus US, UK, i Istočnu Aziju kao pozitivne).

 

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A vaccine has to be approved by representatives of every EU member state (as well as Norway, Liechtenstein, and Iceland, who though not EU countries participate in the EMA) before it can circulate anywhere in the bloc. In the case of COVID-19 vaccines, the bulk of the scientific assessment was performed by Sweden and France, but authorization and advice on authorization has to be shared by all member states.

 

A rationalization of this process, consolidation of the more than twenty-seven national drug approval systems  into one FDA-like agency, would resolve this problem. But drug approval is far from the only object of governmental concern across the bloc for which rational consolidation makes sense. And such consolidation across multiple policy areas really would begin to transform the EU into more of a state, yet without the democratic legitimacy.

 

 

A što se Amerike tiče, verujem da će @3opge i @ObiW posebno uživati u delu gde hvali predsednički intervencionizam koji je omogućio efikasnu vakcinaciju:

 

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The Trump administration was such an omnishambolic disaster that it feels strange to credit it for anything positive, but Operation Warp Speed (OWS) and allied industrial policy interventions will go down in history as one of the few things Western governments got right when facing down COVID-19. It was Trump’s one heroic act.

 

Under OWS, research funding and advance purchase orders removed the investment risk from vaccine development, and BARDA was backing research from as early as February 2020 before OWS kicked off. (The EU also spent a total of €3.6 billion on advance purchase agreements, but this is small pommes de terre compared to OWS’s $18 billion.)

 

This de-risking by BARDA and OWS, and the advance purchase agreements in the case of those firms that did not participate in OWS, was crucial. It, together with the expedited regulatory approval, use of the Defense Production Act (DPA) to prioritize contracts and in effect plan private investment, and operational supervision by military experts in supply chain management, delivered vaccines within months rather than the years that is the norm for vaccine development. And by taking the mRNA vaccine platform from lab bench through to commercialization, industrial policy — not the free market — made this technology viable after years of languishing in university labs while risk-averse investors were nervous about backing an unproven innovation.

 

Thanks to, well, thanks to Trump, it may soon be possible to use this revolutionary approach to vaccination to finally deliver a vaccine against HIV, or even that holy grail of pandemic preparedness: a universal flu vaccine, capable of defeating any strain of the virus without having to produce a new version each year. As the socialist policy wonk Matt Bruenig cheekily tweeted, from the viewpoint of effective altruism, this single move could make Trump the greatest US president in history. O7 @mustang

 

 

Edited April 22, 2021 by Weenie Pooh

[mustang]

 

 

Bar bajden nije sjebao nista od toga. Zahvaljujuci trampu ova dvojica se pelcovala. Hvala Tramp se valjda kaze 

 

Ti s'moj co'ek vini 

 

 

Edited April 23, 2021 by mustang

[Zverilla]

10 hours ago, dragance said:

Kako jebote? Vlada UK je finansirala pronalazak vakcine (AZ) i prvi su naručili i platili 100 miliona vakcina AZ dok se EU prenemagala, još i nije odobrila, i tek kad je dogorelo do noktiju su se setili kako su trebali da rade! Šta u ovom scenariju izgleda gore?

Just for the record - zla i glupa EU je podržala biontech sa 50 Milki u decembru 2019 za razvoj tehnologije koja je dobrodošla par meseci kasnije 

[mustang]

Milion dolara bond demokrate daju da stopiraju audit (hand by hand koliko sam razumela - one ballot-one vote sto je jako bitno) u arizoni do ponedeljka.... 

1mil.!!??? Wtf? Cega se boje ako je bajden tu pobedio za 10K glasova? 

 

 

 

Ups... What if?... 

 

Drama, drama! 

 

 

Edited April 24, 2021 by mustang

[ObiW]

1 hour ago, mustang said:

Milion dolara bond demokrate daju da stopiraju audit (hand by hand koliko sam razumela - one ballot-one vote sto je jako bitno) u arizoni do ponedeljka.... 

1mil.!!??? Wtf? Cega se boje ako je bajden tu pobedio za 10K glasova? 

 

 

Dosta ste se igrali "aj jos jednom da prebrojimo, mozda ovog puta pobedimo" igrice.

 

Joe Biden is the president. Deal with it. 

 

Vise srece u 2024. 

[mustang]

1 hour ago, ObiW said:

 

Dosta ste se igrali "aj jos jednom da prebrojimo, mozda ovog puta pobedimo" igrice.

 

Joe Biden is the president. Deal with it. 

 

Vise srece u 2024. 

 

Sto "nas" ( ja sam to kao njihova sada) onda ne pustite da prebrojimo mano a mano?? Ni jedan audit do sada nije tako prebrojavao nego na uzorku i testu. 

Jebem mu kad te irs audit u sitna crevca svaku transakciju traze...ne daj boze da ih zajebes za cent

 

Audit treba da je detaljan, ponovo svaki papir da se prekontrolise. 

 

Kao sto i pre rekoh, nema sanse da ste pobedili na izborima. Pokradeni su 100%...ali skidam vam kapu (ne tebi, ti nisi sposoban za tako nesto ali ti je nada ostvarena)... Skidam im kapu na svom tom bezobrazluku i kako su pametno odigrali kad se stopiralo brojanje... Cush gde to ima da se brojanje stopira .. A republikanci budale naivne.....

 

Krivim trampa jer je nesposoban da lupi sakom o sto. Ponasa se ko da je deda mraz, bolje kao bad santa dok elfovi kolo vode ustvari. 

 

Ja rekoh da necu vise da glasam dok god se ne uvedu licne karte na uvid kad se glasa.

A i onda je moguce da cu da se registrujem kao demoNkrata pa da ih zajebavam u primaries i na election .... Verovatno ima genijalaca koji razmisljaju kao ja.....to bi bas bilo zabavno 

 

Oprastam ali ne zaboravljam. Same in RL. 

Edited April 24, 2021 by mustang

[ObiW]

53 minutes ago, mustang said:

 

Sto "nas" ( ja sam to kao njihova sada) onda ne pustite da prebrojimo mano a mano??

 

Vi ste dete koje je videlo igracku u radnji i krenulo u temper tantrum da mu mama i tata kupe igracku inace nece da ide kuci. Sad je stadijum kada se valjate po podu u radnji, a mi kao treba da se sagnemo pa da vas umirujemo, da vam tepamo i da vas mazimo, pa da onda odemo zajedno do kase da vam platimo tu jebenu igracku da nas vise ne bi blamirali medju svetom.

 

Nema igracke za vas.  Prestanete da dozvoljavate sebi da vas ovakvi šarlatani godinama vuku za nos, pa ćemo da pričamo kao ljudi:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Budja]

On 22.4.2021. at 12:38, Anduril said:

Ovo je statistika za mart. Do leta ce EU proizvoditi najvise jer je skejlup Fajzera najbolji zbog mRNA technologije. Do kraja godine ce samo oni da proizvedu 2-3 milijarde doza - veci deo ce na kraju zavrsiti u Africi. Ovo sto su US i Uk uradile je sramota a ne da im se cestita.

 

Ne slazem se, vakcinacija radi kada je brza i kada je velika pokrivenost stanovnistva, kako vec znamo.

Rastrkano davanje vakcina je manje efektivno nego koncentrisano.

 

To sto je Evropa izvezla Fajzer pomoglo je samo Izraelu i nikom drugom.