Coronavirus Covid-19 - opšta tema

[vememah]

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More than 2,200 coronavirus deaths in nursing homes, but federal government isn't tracking them

The numbers are likely a significant undercount, given the limited access to testing and other constraints, state officials and public health experts say.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/more-2-200-coronavirus-deaths-nursing-homes-federal-government-isn-n1181026

[Kampokei]

2 minutes ago, bags said:

 

Daleko je Austrija od ozbiljne drzave kakvom je mi smatramo. Naravno i dalje je to na jednom solidnom EU nivou ali ÖVP je bas veliko zlo.

Na srecu samo da FPÖ nije vise u vlasti. To bi tek bio raspad sistema.

 

Na stranu politicka scena koja cesto zalici na Balkan, ipak je to prebogata zemlja, sa solidnim nivoom znanja, iz koje doktori ne beze glavom bez obzira.

[Dankan Ajdaho]

35 minutes ago, Frank Pembleton said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/09/my-near-death-experience-ventilator/
O jbmti...
Mada sve u svemu živa je...



... Shiit has hit the fan...
 

 

Živ 

[SNARC]

 

 

Valjda je ovo za ovde.

 

 

[אַף אֶחָד]

1 hour ago, Frank Pembleton said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/09/my-near-death-experience-ventilator/
O jbmti...
Mada sve u svemu živa je...



... Shiit has hit the fan...
 

 

Pa to su sve normalne reakcije na respirator i sedaciju. Ono, 15 minuta sedacije i intubacije, pa si 24h posle malo "pomeren". Ali ona mu ga jos i dodaje, cuj speech pathologist jer joj je glas promukao. Mislim, the very first world i njegovi prioriteti.

[mlatko]

U Italiji 619 preminulo a iz Lombardije ohrabruje da su novooboleli sa mnogo lakšim simptomima, iako se ukupan broj malo povećao (posebno u Milanu) zbog povećanog testiranja.

 

Jutros 10km kolona na putu koji vodi iz Rima na jug, do letnjih rezidencija mnogih građana. Sinoć premijer Konte dozvolio otvaranje nekih delatnosti (knjižara, radnji sa odećom za decu, razni komercijalisti, neke fabrike) i to je shvaćeno kao znak za beg... Checkpointovi blokirali put i gradske kase će se pune i ovaj mesec.

 

Guverner Veneta koji je najviše testirao najavljuje nove mere od utorka, izlazak iz samoizolacije obavezno pridržavanje nekih (novih) direktiva posebno javnom u prevozu.

 

Tramp se sinoć setio da ima 30.000 vojnika po bazama u Italiji i javio Pompeu da ih aktivira nekako... Mora da istera Ruske vojnike i kineske epidemiologe sa savezničke teritorije.

 

 

 

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[Boza_zvani_Pub]

Italija opet raste? Oba broja...

Edit: objasnjenje je iznad.

Edited April 11, 2020 by Boza_zvani_Pub

[halloween]

Nemački govnari treba da shvate da što se više budu opirali, pad će im biti teži.

[Tsai]

Izvor: Sputnjik 

 

Ispada da je to zvanican stav nemackih vlasti.. 

[Yossarian]

 

15 minutes ago, halloween said:

Nemački govnari treba da shvate da što se više budu opirali, pad će im biti teži.

 

 

... prenosi B92... prenosi Sputnjik...

 

 

Baljezgarije nekog nemačkog ultradesničarskog novinara, koji piše za konzervativni "Di Velt"  ne odražavaju politiku nemačke vlade.

 

 

U svakoj državi, u kojoj postoji sloboda štampe, svako ima pravo na svoj stav - isto kao i ovaj novinar... A od toga, pa do odluka skupštine  i vlade je dug put...

Edited April 11, 2020 by Yossarian

[mlatko]

Die Welt je "samo preneo" reči Grilla od pre 6 godina i time je pomogao Salviniju da se razmaše juče i stavi klipove u rad vlade... Toliko da mu se sinoć Konte energično obratio preko TV kzš da spusti loptu jer laže iuti vodu oko pomoći EU koja je na stolu. Jutros je Salvini ko malo dete otrčao do predsednika da se tužaka.

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[halloween]

Zaobiđite te komentare o nezavisnoj nemačkoj štampi.

Regovao je i  ministar spoljnih poslova.

Pomoć Itaiji je cinično simbolična, to je već sad vidljivo da se Nemačka ponaša kao Baja Patak, stvari su otišle predaleko.

Edited April 11, 2020 by halloween

[steins]

Spoiler

 

This morning we have some data giving a little more insight into the great unknown of the coronavirus pandemic: just how widely among the population has SARS-CoV-2 — the virus which causes COVID-19 — spread among the general population. A team at the University of Bonn has tested a randomized sample of 1,000 residents of the town of Gangelt in the north-west of the country, one of the epicenters of the outbreak in Germany. The study found that two percent of the population currently had the virus and that 14 percent were carrying antibodies suggesting that they had already been infected — whether or not they experienced any symptoms. Eliminating an overlap between the two groups, the team concluded that 15 percent of the town have been infected with the virus.

This number matters hugely because it tells us what we need to know in order to judge how deadly the virus is and also how easily it spreads. It tells us, ultimately, how useful the methods are that we are employing in order to combat the virus. As explained here before, the question of how many people already have the infection is at the heart of a debate between epidemiologists at the Imperial College and Oxford university.

Two weeks ago, the latter published modeling claiming that up to half the UK population might already have been infected with the virus — a level of infection which would mean that lockdown may be the wrong approach, as we would already have achieved a state of herd immunity, preventing the further spread of the disease.

The Gangelt study does not provide support for the idea that half of the population of Britain, or any other country, has been infected with the virus. But for a town to have an infection rate of 15 percent suggests that the virus had spread a lot further than many believed. Neil Ferguson, who leads the Imperial team, told the FT this week that he believes between three and five percent of the UK population has already been infected.

Data from coronavirus deaths in Gangelt suggests an infection mortality rate of 0.37 percent, significantly below the 0.9 percent which Imperial College has estimated, or the 0.66 percent found in a revised study last week.

The 15 percent figure from Gangelt is interesting because it matches two previous studies. Firstly, there was the accidental experiment of the cruise ship the Diamond Princess, which inadvertently became a floating laboratory when a passenger showing symptoms of COVID-19 boarded on January 20 and remained in the ship, spreading the virus, for five days. The ship was eventually quarantined on February 3 and all its 3,711 passengers tested for the virus. It turned out the 634 of them — 17 percent — had been infected, many of them without symptoms. The mortality rate on the vessel was 1.2 percent — although, inevitably being a cruise ship, it was a relatively elderly cohort.

We gained another insight into SARS-CoV-2 from a Chinese study into 391 cases of COVID-19 in the southern Chinese city of Shenzhen. In this case, scientists tested everyone who shared a household with people who were found to be suffering from the disease. It turned out 15 percent of this group had gone on to be infected with SARS-CoV-2 themselves. Again, many showed no symptoms.

Obviously these are all small-scale studies and none of them are deliberate experiments to see how far SARS-CoV-2 will spread if it is allowed to ‘rip through’ a population. But they do raise the question: is there a ceiling on the number of people who are prone to be infected with the disease? Do many of us have some kind of natural protection against infection? Would it ever spread among more than about one in six of us?

The British government has based its planning and policy for COVID-19 on the assumption that if the virus was allowed to spread unchecked it would eventually infect 80 percent of the population. That is a figure that seems to have been borrowed from planning for a flu pandemic, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it applies to this virus. The sooner we have the results of more studies like that at Gangelt, the better a picture we have and the sooner we will be able to plot a path out of lockdown.

 

 

 

Treća studija koja pokazuje da je ukupan broj zaraženih oko 20%, da je smrtnost 0,39% a da 14% imaju antitela?! 

Poklapa se sa ciframa u prethodne dve studije - od toga je jedna moja omiljena, kruzerska™

 

 

e: ajd nek mi neko pojasni - jesu li to Talijani opet relaskirali™ mere? 

Edited April 11, 2020 by steins

[Have_Fun]

Sta je sa Singapurom?

Uglavnom su imali ispod 100 dnevnih slucajeva, a sad zaredali 3 dana, 300, 200, 200.
U jednom momentu mi se cinilo da su oni tamo resili problem.

[pasha]

Italije u poslednja 4 dana ima 3 dana u kojima raste broj zarazenih.