BrExit?

[Prospero]

pa ne sme state aid, šta je sporno

[hazard]

samo strogo, samo udri

[MancMellow]

A da, ima i Brexit

[hazard]

[Prospero]

 

Edited November 10, 2016 by Prospero

[Prospero]

manče, vidi kakav ugao pregovora zmajevi prave:
 
 

If Donald Trump's America won't defend Europe from Russia, Britain's Brexit negotiating position gets much stronger

CRISPIN BLUNT
10 NOVEMBER 2016 • 6:29PM


A US Air Force F-22 Raptor fighter aircraft flies at the Air Base of the Lithuanian Armed Forces in iauliai, Lithuania[/size]

Whatever else you can say about him, Donald Trump actually has a fair point about America’s allies freeloading on its military power. That led to his questioning the value of Nato, a position which will be concentrating minds hard now.

Too many European countries have for too long been happy to let America carry the load on defence, without taking their own responsibilities seriously enough. Our European partners have long needed to get serious about defence capability, but on Tuesday it became critical.

At the moment, most European countries don’t spend enough on defence and what they do spend isn’t spent well. Everyone has their own defence overheads from government to procurement and supply chain through to deployment of actual forces. The result is that there is far less European hard power capability than there could be. Europe needs get much more bang for each buck on defence, and to spend more bucks to meet the Nato target of 2 per cent of GDP on defence.

This does not include the UK because we already meet this target. It also didn’t include us because of our lack of practical and emotional commitment to European integration, which is part of the reason we are leaving now.

Britain always vetoed European defence integration but that veto leaves with us. The interests of the remaining EU 27 are much more intertwined, so the case for organising their defence in a much more intertwined way is overwhelming.

That logic is now reinforced by need. Moving towards full co-ordination in the generation and maintenance of their forces is now essential given the large question mark over American commitment to collective defence in Europe.

So far, Britain has actively prevented Europe moving towards more defence integration, strongly believing in Nato’s primacy. But now it’s not European defence integration possibly diverting attention from Nato, but a possible US reassessment. The complementary nature of EU defence integration may now be an asset to our defence, not just a liability to Nato.

Europe now needs its premier defence power, Britain, to be as closely involved in European defence as possible. Britain is a full-spectrum military power, so we can provide conventional land forces, air power and naval capabilities, as well as capabilities in cyber and intelligence.

These are all very important to providing European security, and it will be important to the 27 to secure a deal in the Article 50 negotiations that includes continuing British defence commitment. That could give Britain important leverage in those talks.

We need to find an institutional basis to make that work and the negotiations should include a continuing British engagement with the EU’s Common and Foreign and Security Policy.

Of course, the 27 will have differing views of this. Some, like the Danes, see the world as we do. Some are neutrals, but when push comes to shove, the interests of the Finns and the Irish are still in a secure Europe. Poland, the Czech Republic, Hungary and Slovakia have a much stronger need for Europe to be able to defend itself from Russian interference. And for the Baltic states, this is existential.

Beyond the EU, the only people to have shed their blood for the EU flag are Ukrainians. Securing Ukraine in the sphere of liberal Europe, free of Russian influence, is a key prize.

In Europe, we have all lived securely under the American nuclear umbrella all these years, confident that the US would always respond to any attack on a European Nato member, a commitment that would deter any such attack.

That deterrence is now in question. That doubt may be misplaced, and we need the new US administration to address this swiftly. But what if as a result of Mr Trump’s election Vladimir Putin thinks Russia can now act with impunity in Europe?

European nations do have to ask themselves: what is the deterrent to Russian interference and aggression now? And much more of the answer may be Britain. That should concentrate a few minds in Europe as we enter the Brexit negotiations.
 

Crispin Blunt MP is chairman of the Commons Foreign Affairs Committee

 

[MancMellow]

Braniće ih britanski KoV? Od Rusije? 

Edited November 11, 2016 by MancMellow

[Hamlet Strašni]

Tridenti valjda

 

Послато са SM-G900F уз помоћ Тапатока

[Dr Arslanagić]

Ne stvarno, ja nemam reči.

[MancMellow]

Tridenti valjda

 

Послато са SM-G900F уз помоћ Тапатока

 

Bottom line: UK ne može da vodi nuklearni rat sa Rusijom. Nestaće ostrvo. Vrede, defo, u avio i pomorskoj borbi. Vrede po pitanju obaveštajne razmene (što do sada nisu radili u fullu, a sad tek ne verujem da će). Morali bi mnooooogo da zalegnu, preko svojih mogućnosti, da bi to bio faktor. Onda se postavlja pitanje - šta smo radili i gde je ta ušteda. Drugo, izbori u Americi nisu referendum, za 4 godine mogu bez problema da dođu neki drugi koji će ponovo biti 100% u NATO priči (a i za ove ostje da se vidi, kampanja je jedno, vlast je drugo). 

 

Ali, ali zaista, ono što je glavno - u kojoj meri je domaćoj javnosti moguće prodati priču o ozbiljnoj vojnoj angažovanosti u tim "dalekim EU zemljama" i ginjenju za njih, kad je glavna priča Brexita bila da ne da nećemo da ginemo za njih, nego bi najradije da ih ne gledamo. 

[Prospero]

plus ono "jebali smo vas 15 godina oko eu odbrane dok smo bili unutra ali sad ćemo baš da zalegnemo dok izlazimo iz eu. ako se pogodimo".

 

zapravo je ovo tako trampovski, transakcioni, pristup temama.

[MancMellow]

Ovo je prosto članak za unutrašnju upotrebu, nešto što je zgodno napisati sad kad je pobedio Trump. 

[Tribun_Populi]

 Vrede po pitanju obaveštajne razmene (što do sada nisu radili u fullu, a sad tek ne verujem da će).

Pre će prigrliti Trampa kao svetionik slobode nego s Nemcima i Francuzima deliti obaveštajne informacije. Five Eyes are Five Eyes, none of them is on the continent.

[Prospero]

pa to. poslušajmo bojoa:
 
 

Boris Johnson has called on European leaders to end the “doom and gloom” about Donald Trump’s election victory and see the US president-elect as someone with whom they can build closer ties.
Speaking after a phone conversation with the vice-president-elect, Mike Pence, the British foreign secretary described Trump as “a deal maker” and called for an end to the “collective whinge-o-rama” which followed Hillary Clinton’s defeat.

The British government is hurriedly seeking ways to engage with Trump, a man several ministers had condemned during his election campaign, including Johnson, who had said he was “genuinely worried” at the idea of a Trump presidency.
...
Johnson said of his conversation with Pence: “We agreed on the importance of the special relationship and the need to tackle global challenges together.”

Speaking in Belgrade, where he had met the Serbian prime minister, Aleksandar Vučić, Johnson called for a sense of proportion in reaction to Trump’s success.
“I would respectfully say to my beloved European friends and colleagues that it’s time that we snapped out of the general doom and gloom about the result of this election and collective whinge-o-rama that seems to be going on in some places,” he said.

“He is, after all, a deal maker. He wants to do a free trade deal with the UK,” Johnson told reporters. “I believe that this is a great opportunity for us in the UK to build on that relationship with America that is of fundamental economic importance for us, but also of great importance for stability and prosperity in the world.”

 

[Tribun_Populi]

Hurry hurry do not hesitate! :)