Roger Sanchez Posted November 3, 2016 Posted November 3, 2016 Shitty elitist BBC. Narod se napaja ovim: https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/794305626218385409?s=09
Prospero Posted November 3, 2016 Posted November 3, 2016 (edited) edit: sad vidim twit ludilo :ziga: "we shall fight them at the backbenches, in the halls, and on the galleries, we shall never surrender" -------- A zar neko misli da na takvo što neće biti reakcije iz Brisela?Ono, sudovanje-ludovanje ima svoje granice, kanda će u tom slučaju i ECJ da protumači Art.50 TEU in favorem contractus pa da stvori pravilo da se članica može i izbaciti, ako je očigledno da opstruira proces.via CZ-M53 TT postoji čl 7 lisabona za penalizaciju neposlušnih. proces je do države članice, ne verujem da bi se ecj usudio (a nešto sumnjam da ima i prerogative) da tumači ustavne nadležnosti u uk u vezi s tim. a50 je i tu jasan - država članica sama pokreće a50 u skladu sa svojim ustavnim pravilima, to je to, ni manje ni više. Edited November 3, 2016 by Prospero
Roger Sanchez Posted November 3, 2016 Posted November 3, 2016 ECJ sudi samo u području primjene Ugovora i Povelje. Konstruktivnom presudom sigurno ne bi izbacivali članicu, čak ni kad bi to mogli... Međutim, if push comes to shove, moglo bi jednog dana biti ili notifikacija ili voting rights.
MancMellow Posted November 4, 2016 Posted November 4, 2016 (edited) Shitty elitist BBC. Narod se napaja ovim: https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/794305626218385409?s=09 "...mada ni takve još nisu isključene" Edited November 4, 2016 by MancMellow
Prospero Posted November 4, 2016 Posted November 4, 2016 Shitty elitist BBC. Narod se napaja ovim: https://twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/794305626218385409?s=09 Vidi napajanja https://twitter.com/Paul1Singh/status/794306707522547713
Tribun_Populi Posted November 4, 2016 Posted November 4, 2016 edit: sad vidim twit ludilo :ziga: "we shall fight them at the backbenches, in the halls, and on the galleries, we shall never surrender" [emoji38] -------- postoji čl 7 lisabona za penalizaciju neposlušnih. proces je do države članice, ne verujem da bi se ecj usudio (a nešto sumnjam da ima i prerogative) da tumači ustavne nadležnosti u uk u vezi s tim. a50 je i tu jasan - država članica sama pokreće a50 u skladu sa svojim ustavnim pravilima, to je to, ni manje ni više. ECJ sudi samo u području primjene Ugovora i Povelje. Konstruktivnom presudom sigurno ne bi izbacivali članicu, čak ni kad bi to mogli... Međutim, if push comes to shove, moglo bi jednog dana biti ili notifikacija ili voting rights.Pa ono, ne može se do u nedogled držati u neizvesnosti ceo blok, pozivajući se na domaće pravne igrarije. I to u situaciji gde je domaći pravni poredak takav da pravila jednostavno - nema, već ih sud ad hoc stvara. Zato i kažem da mi nije nezamislivo da u svetlu razrešenja takvih igrarija i ECJ zauzme malo kreativniju ulogu. via CZ-M53 TT
bigvlada Posted November 4, 2016 Posted November 4, 2016 ECJ sudi samo u području primjene Ugovora i Povelje. Konstruktivnom presudom sigurno ne bi izbacivali članicu, čak ni kad bi to mogli... Međutim, if push comes to shove, moglo bi jednog dana biti ili notifikacija ili voting rights. Imaju Član 7 Lisabonskog ugovora, koji se primenjuje kada država članica krši Član 2 (onaj o ljudskim pravima). Article 7 1. On a reasoned proposal by one third of the Member States, by the European Parliament or by the European Commission, the Council, acting by a majority of four fifths of its members after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament, may determine that there is a clear risk of a serious breach by a Member State of the values referred to in Article 2. Before making such a determination, the Council shall hear the Member State in question and may address recommendations to it, acting in accordance with the same procedure. The Council shall regularly verify that the grounds on which such a determination was made continue to apply. 2. The European Council, acting by unanimity on a proposal by one third of the Member States or by the European Commission and after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament, may determine the existence of a serious and persistent breach by a Member State of the values referred to in Article 2 after inviting the Member State in question to submit its observations. 3. Where a determination under paragraph 2 has been made, the Council, acting by a qualified majority, may decide to suspend certain of the rights deriving from the application of the Treaties to the Member State in question, including the voting rights of the representative of the government of that Member State in the Council. In doing so, the Council shall take into account the possible consequences of such a suspension on the rights and obligations of natural and legal persons. The obligations of the Member State in question under the Treaties shall in any case continue to be binding on that State. 4. The Council, acting by a qualified majority, may decide subsequently to vary or revoke measures taken under paragraph 3 in response to changes in the situation which led to their being imposed. 5. The voting arrangements applying to the European Parliament, the European Council and the Council for the purposes of this Article are laid down in Article 354 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the-lisbon-treaty/treaty-on-european-union-and-comments/title-1-common-provisions/7-article-7.html Inače, nešto pre odluke, Boris je u elementu. Brexit will be Titanic success, says Boris Johnson https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/03/brexit-will-be-titanic-success-says-boris-johnson
Roger Sanchez Posted November 4, 2016 Posted November 4, 2016 Pa ono, ne može se do u nedogled držati u neizvesnosti ceo blok, pozivajući se na domaće pravne igrarije. I to u situaciji gde je domaći pravni poredak takav da pravila jednostavno - nema, već ih sud ad hoc stvara. Zato i kažem da mi nije nezamislivo da u svetlu razrešenja takvih igrarija i ECJ zauzme malo kreativniju ulogu. via CZ-M53 TT Sud se ne smije uplitati u unutarnje ustavne postupke odlučivanja u državi članici i ne smije biti kreativan, to bi mu bio kraj. Jedino je tijelo koje smije biti kreativno Council, kako je gore i citirao vlada.
Roger Sanchez Posted November 4, 2016 Posted November 4, 2016 Vidi napajanja https://twitter.com/Paul1Singh/status/794306707522547713 ''foreign-born multi-millionaire''
MancMellow Posted November 4, 2016 Posted November 4, 2016 Vidi napajanja https://twitter.com/Paul1Singh/status/794306707522547713 1 middle market
MancMellow Posted November 4, 2016 Posted November 4, 2016 Brexit will be Titanic success, says Boris Johnson nema šanse da je slučajno izabrao reč
Marvin (Paranoid Android) Posted November 4, 2016 Posted November 4, 2016 nema šanse da je slučajno izabrao reč Ja se čudom čudim što Majkl Gouv nije još uvek rekao "This country has had enough of so-called laws".
MancMellow Posted November 4, 2016 Posted November 4, 2016 Ok, DM, ali ja i dalje ne mogu ovo da pojmim, da jedna dnevna novina, pored sveg poznatog ludjenja, ipak - ipak - naziva Lord Chief Justicea neprijateljem naroda...pa ne znam. A Telegraph, onako, Koštunjijevski, šatro ozbiljno, a u stvari to isto.
BraveMargot Posted November 4, 2016 Posted November 4, 2016 Ja se čudom čudim što Majkl Gouv nije još uvek rekao "This country has had enough of so-called laws". prominentna upotreba odrednice "takozvani" je sama po sebi indikator poodmakle milosevicevizacije britanije. a kad smo vec kod toga, mene lora kinsberg vrlo podseca na tatjanu lenart.
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