BrExit?

[Dr Arslanagić]

Da, to je ta Borisova doktrina, iliti To have cake and eat it. Ipak neće moći. 

[Marvin (Paranoid Android)]

Ma koliko taj bizar sa hangarima i industrijskim/lučkim zonama sa special statusom zvuči nadrealno, sve i da neko ozbiljno to razmotri (neće, naravno, samo lupam) i stavi u neki specijalni zakonski status (neće, naravno, samo lupam), ako se samo takav jedan presedan napravi (neće, naravno, samo lupam), ima da bude oko 7.000 lokacija u Britaniji koji će isti dan zahtevati isti status. Tako i sa NI, ako se to samo i razmatra, Škotska će isto, ako NI i Škotska dobiju onda će i Vels, ako i Vels dobije onda će da se viče i za London, i tako sve dok se ne dođe do one Trebjevićke ulice što rekoh juče.

 

To ne treba ni uzimati išta za ozbiljno, sve je to prazan filler za novine i naslove, ali čisto da se pokaže da se nešto radi. Ali samo pokazuje koliki je sve ovo omnifuckingshambles.

[jms_uk]

Zar nema nesto u Belfast Agreement-u o nepovredivosti granica, statusa etc. izmedju NI i ROI?

[MancMellow]

Ma koliko taj bizar sa hangarima i industrijskim/lučkim zonama sa special statusom zvuči nadrealno, sve i da neko ozbiljno to razmotri (neće, naravno, samo lupam) i stavi u neki specijalni zakonski status (neće, naravno, samo lupam), ako se samo takav jedan presedan napravi (neće, naravno, samo lupam), ima da bude oko 7.000 lokacija u Britaniji koji će isti dan zahtevati isti status. Tako i sa NI, ako se to samo i razmatra, Škotska će isto, ako NI i Škotska dobiju onda će i Vels, ako i Vels dobije onda će da se viče i za London, i tako sve dok se ne dođe do one Trebjevićke ulice što rekoh juče.

 

To ne treba ni uzimati išta za ozbiljno, sve je to prazan filler za novine i naslove, ali čisto da se pokaže da se nešto radi. Ali samo pokazuje koliki je sve ovo omnifuckingshambles.

 

Oh, absolutely. Mislim, to je ono što si ti rekao kako može do Brexita ni da ne dođe pod xy uslovima koji su politički nezamislivi. E sad, da tačno, stvarno su nezamislivi, ali i ovo je jako teško zamislivo. Bio jedan tekst još pre referenduma (stvarno sam zaboravio gde) gde je čovek išao po geografskim oblastima i sektorima privrede i na kraju zaključio - čekaj pa ovo je nemoguće da se izvede na iole smislen način i bez velike štete na deset polja. I tačno tako, samo što će izgleda ipak da se nekako izvede. VukLisac zna put. Ležernost sa kojom neki ljudi o tome pričaju je zbilja na nivou Živorada Jovanovića. Ako ne i ispod. Ispred države (britanske) je mamutski posao koji ako se najbolje uradi kako treba zemlja će završiti samo malo worse off. A stvari koje mogu da krenu po zlu je bukvalno dvadeset. 

 

Zar nema nesto u Belfast Agreement-u o nepovredivosti granica, statusa etc. izmedju NI i ROI?

 

Iskreno, ne mogu da se setim

[Marvin (Paranoid Android)]

Bio jedan tekst još pre referenduma (stvarno sam zaboravio gde) gde je čovek išao po geografskim oblastima i sektorima privrede i na kraju zaključio - čekaj pa ovo je nemoguće da se izvede na iole smislen način i bez velike štete na deset polja. I tačno tako, samo što će izgleda ipak da se nekako izvede. VukLisac zna put. Ležernost sa kojom neki ljudi o tome pričaju je zbilja na nivou Živorada Jovanovića. Ako ne i ispod. Ispred države (britanske) je mamutski posao koji ako se najbolje uradi kako treba zemlja će završiti samo malo worse off. A stvari koje mogu da krenu po zlu je bukvalno dvadeset.

 

Meni je najžalije što, uprkos idiotskog rezultata na referendumu, u vrhovnim ešalonima moći danas više nema vukova i lisica, već su sve sami tapiri i dodoi. Hoću reći, hajde i da pokušam da progutam 52% glasa iz glupih i neobaveštenih pobuda, ali nisam mogao da pretpostavim da će se u Britaniji iskristalisati vlada koju toliko straobalno boli kurac za dugoročnu dobrobit zemlje, da joj se čak i ne čini bitno kako da urade ono što se mora (ako uzmemo da se mora) već samo teraju daj da uradimo bilo šta što će se najširem puku dopasti (dakle, problem imigracije) no matter what and how.

 

Ajde da gledam sposobne ljude koji će upregnuti svom snagom da nekako na ozbiljan način pokušaju da isposluju nešto što je štetno i nepotrebno ali se mora, makar bio damage control, to bi već bilo dovoljno loše, ali podnošljivo. Gledati morone odvaljene od realnosti, ili još gore, sa skrivenim agendama, kako između sebe svako vuče na svoju stranu o generacijskom pitanju, to je već užas. A daju izjave i prognoze naspram kojih bi onaj Slobin ministar '92-ge koji je rekao da sankcije EZ predstavljaju "izazov" za preduzetnike i preduzeća Srbije delovao kao mudar čovek.

 

Ima Dejvid Mičel odličan zaključak u poslednjoj kolumni za Gardijan, koja počinje malo čudno, ali na kraju zakiva. Plastično objašnjenje šta je cilj (a možda i svrha) vlade u post-truth svetu.

[MancMellow]

dobar :D uostalom, pošto su "eksperti" iz svih mogućih oblasti izgnani, možda je red na komičare da probaju nešto. 

[Anduril]

Meni je najžalije što, uprkos idiotskog rezultata na referendumu, u vrhovnim ešalonima moći danas više nema vukova i lisica, već su sve sami tapiri i dodoi. Hoću reći, hajde i da pokušam da progutam 52% glasa iz glupih i neobaveštenih pobuda, ali nisam mogao da pretpostavim da će se u Britaniji iskristalisati vlada koju toliko straobalno boli kurac za dugoročnu dobrobit zemlje, da joj se čak i ne čini bitno kako da urade ono što se mora (ako uzmemo da se mora) već samo teraju daj da uradimo bilo šta što će se najširem puku dopasti (dakle, problem imigracije) no matter what and how.

 

Ajde da gledam sposobne ljude koji će upregnuti svom snagom da nekako na ozbiljan način pokušaju da isposluju nešto što je štetno i nepotrebno ali se mora, makar bio damage control, to bi već bilo dovoljno loše, ali podnošljivo. Gledati morone odvaljene od realnosti, ili još gore, sa skrivenim agendama, kako između sebe svako vuče na svoju stranu o generacijskom pitanju, to je već užas. A daju izjave i prognoze naspram kojih bi onaj Slobin ministar '92-ge koji je rekao da sankcije EZ predstavljaju "izazov" za preduzetnike i preduzeća Srbije delovao kao mudar čovek.

 

Ima Dejvid Mičel odličan zaključak u poslednjoj kolumni za Gardijan, koja počinje malo čudno, ali na kraju zakiva. Plastično objašnjenje šta je cilj (a možda i svrha) vlade u post-truth svetu.

 

 

Stanje je sasvim ocekivano s obzirom kako se selektira politicka elita i ko dominira medijima poslednjih 30 godina.

[bigvlada]

Calls for UK to rejoin EU 'should be treason', urges Tory petition

 

Christian Holliday seeks amendment to Treason Felony Act to include post-Brexit support for EU membership

 

Martin Belam

Monday 17 October 2016 17.20 BST Last modified on Monday 17 October 2016 19.47 BST

 

A Conservative councillor from Surrey has been suspended after launched a petition calling for Victorian-era legislation to be amended to make supporting UK membership of the EU a treasonable offence.

 

Christian Holliday added the petition to the UK Government and Parliament website, and it calls for:

 

The Treason Felony Act be amended to include the following offences:

 

‘To imagine, devise, promote, work, or encourage others, to support UK becoming a member of the European Union;

 

To conspire with foreign powers to make the UK, or part of the UK, become a member of the EU.’

 

The petition appears more designed to get a reaction from “remoaners” than actually force a change in the law, and when this article was originally posted had only attracted 98 signatures, although media exposure had driven this up to more than 2,500 by Monday evening. Intended to come into force on the day of the UK’s exit from the EU, it would outlaw any campaigning for a return.

 

At 10,000 signatures, the government promises to respond to petitions on the site, and at 100,000 signatures, petitions are considered for debate in parliament.

 

The petition goes on to say:

 

It is becoming clear that many politicians and others are unwilling to accept the democratic decision of the British people to leave the EU. Brexit must not be put at risk in the years and decades ahead. For this reason we the undersigned request that the Treason Felony Act be amended as set out in this petition.

 

The petition is among several on the site from leave campaigners. A call for “All European Union flags, emblems and logos to be removed from all public buildings” attracted nearly 20,000 signatures, as has an appeal “Not to allow freedom of movement as part of any deal with the EU after Brexit.”

 

The most signed petition about the EU though was a call for “HM government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based on a turnout of less than 75% there should be another referendum”.

 

Even if Holliday’s changes were to be made, the chances of a successful prosecution seem thin. The act dates from 1848, but has not been used in a prosecution since 1879. It became law during the reign of Queen Victoria, and made it an offence to even “imagine” deposing the monarchy.

 

 A portion of the Treason Felony Act 1848 Photograph: legislation.gov.uk

 

Asked to comment about the petition today, a Downing Street spokeswoman said:

 

“Different people will chose their words differently. The prime minister is very clear that the British people have made their decision.”

 

Holliday has today deleted previous tweets he made linking to his petition, and Guildford Borough Council leader Paul Spooner has tweeted that he has been suspended.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/17/call-to-keep-uk-in-eu-should-be-treason-urges-tory-councillors-petition

 

Ovo sam već pominjao bar jednom, tamo je krivično delo da promovišeš republikansko uređenje ali ovo je novi nivo ludila. 

[Prospero]

German business lobbyists will not stop tariffs against Britain

 

Unfortunately for Brexiteers, BMW cannot tell Angela Merkel what to do

 

Oct 15th 2016

 

MANY Britons worried about a “hard Brexit” are clinging to a reassuring thought. Germany, the most important country in Europe, trades so much with Britain that it would suffer from a messy divorce between Britain and the European Union. So even if countries such as France want to teach Britain a lesson, the theory goes, Germany’s carmakers will use their vast influence to sway Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, to go easy on Britain in its coming negotiations with the EU.

 

The first part of this thesis is true. Britain is Germany’s fifth-largest trading partner and its third-largest export market (after America and France). Some 750,000 German jobs depend on those exports, and Germany’s trade surplus with Britain is second only to the one it runs with America. Every fifth car made in Germany is sold in Britain, as are many German chemicals, machines and electronics. Britain is the biggest foreign investor in Germany, and some 2,500 German firms have subsidiaries in Britain, employing about 400,000 people there.

 

But the rest of the theory gets progressively weaker. Start with the notion that industrialists call the shots in Germany. They were certainly influential between 1998 and 2005, when the chancellor was Gerhard Schröder, nicknamed Genosse der Bosse (“fat cats’ comrade”). His signature economic reform, a labour-market liberalisation called “Agenda 2010”, was conceived in co-operation with businesses.

 

Under Mrs Merkel, however, “our influence has been shrinking,” says Lutz Goebel, president of the lobby representing the family-owned firms which many people think are the backbone of Germany’s economy. Business lobbies have lost many skirmishes in recent years. To their horror, the government has enacted a minimum wage, early retirement at 63 for certain workers, quotas for women on corporate boards and more. Business folk did win exemptions for about 2,000 energy-intensive manufacturers from paying the big surcharges that fund Germany’s subsidies for renewable energy. But it could not prevent the country’s reckless decision in 2011 to end the use of nuclear power.

 

Moreover, German business associations accept what they call “the primacy of politics”: that national priorities set by government can trump their own. A recent example was Mrs Merkel’s drive to convince the EU to impose sanctions on Russia after its invasion of Ukraine. A pro-Russian lobby called the Ost-Ausschuss (Committee on Eastern Europe) opposed the sanctions. But the Federation of German Industry, an affiliated but much larger lobby, declared that it accepted them as necessary in the long-term interest of maintaining the international order. That ended the controversy.

 

Brexit raises similar questions of principle, notes Volker Treier, the head of foreign trade for the Association of German Chambers of Commerce and Industry, of which almost all German firms are members. “Two hearts are beating in our breast,” he says. One worries about the economic consequences of Britain leaving the single market. The other worries about the integrity of that single market, should Britain or any other state cherry-pick conditions for membership.

 

That emphasis on principle extends even to the carmakers. “Yes, we certainly have influence,” says Matthias Wissmann, president of the German Association of the Automotive Industry. “But we are at least as interested in keeping the European Union together—in fact, that is our priority.” Britons are deluded, he adds, if they think German carmakers care only “about selling five more cars” rather than taking a long-term view.

 

Contrary to the illusions of some in Britain, Mrs Merkel thus has her own business lobbies firmly behind her. “We have to present our interests coherently,” she told a conference of the Federation of German Industry this month. Lobbies, she added, should avoid putting pressure on the negotiators for “comfortable” deals that jeopardise the single market’s four freedoms—of moving goods, services, capital and people. Asked whether he agreed with Mrs Merkel, Ulrich Grillo, the federation’s boss, had a simple answer: “Yes.”

[Dr Arslanagić]

 

 

:0.6:  :ziga:

[Marvin (Paranoid Android)]

German business lobbyists will not stop tariffs against Britain

 

 

Dosta je poražavajuće što se "protiv-argumenti" svih budala koji nisu u kontaktu sa stvarnim svetom u komentarima na ovaj članak potpuno podudaraju sa... argumentima i odgovorima glavnih u UK vladi.

[hazard]

 

 

 

:0.6: :ziga:

Ahahahaha dobar :D

Edited October 18, 2016 by hazard

[Ravanelli]

izgleda da se proizvođačima ne isplati da ostaju u britaniji posle brexita ako ne bude subvencija

rasplet nisanovog slučaja će uticati na to šta će se dešavati sa ostalima koji imaju fabrike u britaniji

 

 

- Britain’s top auto producer weighing whether to keep Qashqai

- Sunderland factory employing 6,700 people relies on exports

- Nissan Motor Co., the U.K.’s top auto producer, will decide next month whether to continue producing one of its best-selling vehicles in the country preparing to leave the European Union

- Nissan met with Prime Minister Theresa May last week after having called on the U.K. to compensate the company for any negative consequences resulting from Brexit as a condition for new investment in the country. 

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-21/nissan-confronts-post-brexit-reality-with-suv-plant-decision

Edited October 21, 2016 by Ravanelli

[borris_]

Carlos Ghons je uvidio priliku da dobije nove subvencije i sada pritiska vladu. Odlican pokeras.

[Dr Arslanagić]

Ne treba smetnuti s uma i to da je Renault vlasnik 45% Nissan-a.