BrExit?

[radnik]

Ovo ko dnevnik RTB 1989. 

ja ne mogu opisati koliko me iznenadilo sve ovo oko brexita, ne toliko sam rezultat (ako uopste), koliko razlozi tj. motivi koji su dobar deo ljudi 'naterali' da ga izglasaju.

condor je kod vase napisao da je mislio kako je samoupucavanje samo nas specijalitet, ali definitivno ne, jos ako ameri izaberu trampa da se odmah ispisuje iz autosovinista :)  ne mogu vise da se slozim. ludilo. u pravu su ljudi ovde srbi avangarda ili balkan ceo :P

[namenski]

Upravo to sam i imao na umu. Perfidni Albion je Perfidni Albion, hladna i proračunata nacija kojoj je ujedinjena Evropa protivnik po mnogo parametra: političkom, ekonomskom, vojnom itd. Kad tome pridodaš i 500godišnju tradiciju politike sprečavanja ujedinjenja Evrope, dobiješ, pa to što dobiješ. I ja oko toga, čitajući svo ovo vreme stavove i narativ političara u UK uopšte nemam nimalo dileme.

 

 

De, de. Kod tebe se na kraju sve svede na neka prošla vremena, i zato što je tako bilo mora i ponovo isto da bude, istorijska determinanta a la Mitar Tarabić.

-_-

Edited June 29, 2016 by namenski

[Tribun_Populi]

Ah, vaše visočanstvo™, pardon moi. :D

[barrcode]

priča se da će im ponuditi nekakav EEA- : zajedničko tržište, ograničen protok radne snage, ALI bez passportinga za njihove banke (tu su francuzi najeksplicitniji). Manje poljaka vodoinstalatera, a odoše i mrski bankari u Frankfurt i Pariz = prosečan glasač Leave-a presrećan.

[MancMellow]

Samo ne zaboravi da novi sporazum sa UK mora da bude usvojen u svim parlamentima EU zemalja. 

 

To se nece razresiti jos 6-7 godina kad malo bolje razmislim.

Edited June 29, 2016 by MancMellow

[Friend]

A kapital nece da ceka. Pakao.

[Venom]

Stav EU projevava kod odgovore Sikorskog, a stav UK kroz pitanja/komentare voditelja. A to je da je eventualni raspad EU jos jedini preostali pozitivni spin brexita.

[yolo]

priča se da će im ponuditi nekakav EEA- : zajedničko tržište, ograničen protok radne snage, ALI bez passportinga za njihove banke (tu su francuzi najeksplicitniji). Manje poljaka vodoinstalatera, a odoše i mrski bankari u Frankfurt i Pariz = prosečan glasač Leave-a presrećan.

 

 

sta je tacno to opasosivanje, dajte ojasnjenje za decu debile?

[vememah]

sta je tacno to opasosivanje, dajte ojasnjenje za decu debile?

Banks and other financial companies can be authorised to do business in one member state of the EU, or the slightly wider European Economic Area (EEA), and then ply their trade across the region without having to be separately authorised in each country.

...

If the banking passport is no longer available to British-based firms, then some operations would clearly have to shift to a location inside the EEA.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36630606

 

U linkovanom FT-jevom članku piše da su se već sudili oko toga. Evo i Olandovim rečima:

“The City, which thanks to the EU, was able to handle clearing operations for the eurozone, will not be able to do them,” he said. “It can serve as an example for those who seek the end of Europe . . . It can serve as a lesson.”

 

The removal of the City’s right to clear in euros is a cherished goal of the European Central Bank in Frankfurt but one that was previously thwarted by the UK in the EU courts.

 

The ECB had argued it was unfair for it to be expected to provide emergency support to clearing houses that operated outside its jurisdiction. The UK had argued that a “location policy” would discriminate against Britain and challenge its role in the single market. George Osborne, UK chancellor, described the UK’s court victory in 2015 as a “major win for Britain”.

 

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Rahoj očekivano baca klipove u škotske točkove:

Spain's prime minister Mariano Rajoy believes if the UK leaves the EU, Scotland will leave as well.

 

Rajoy said Nicola Sturgeon had no legal competence to negotiate Scotland's entry into the EU, Reuters reported.

 

His comments come after First Minister arrived for talks in Brussels with European Union leaders on Wednesday.

 

At a news conference in Brussels, he said: "I want to be very clear ... Scotland does not have the competence to negotiate with the European Union.

 

"Spain opposes any negotiation by anyone other than the government of United Kingdom."

 

He added: "I am extremely against it, the treaties are extremely against it and I believe everyone is extremely against it.

 

"If the United Kingdom leaves ... Scotland leaves,"

 

Rajoy is the country's acting Prime Minister, after his conservative People's Party fell short of a majority in elections at the weekend.

 

He is trying to form a coalition government but may lead a minority administration if talks fail.

 

http://stv.tv/news/politics/1359071-spanish-prime-minister-if-uk-leaves-scotland-leaves/

 

Toliko su svi ekstremno protiv toga da je onaj Škot u Evropskom parlamentu dobio stojeće ovacije.

Edited June 29, 2016 by vememah

[vememah]

Još jedna anketa pokazuje postojanje većine za otcepljenje u Škotskoj, nijedna postreferendumska još nije pokazala suprotno.
 

A new opinion poll has found 53% of Scots would vote for independence if a referendum was held tomorrow.
 
The poll, carried out in the five days since the Brexit vote, also found 47% of Scots want a second independence referendum.
 
It suggested around 17% of those who voted No in 2014 would now vote for independence, while around 9% of those who voted Yes have switched sides.
 
The Survation research for the Scottish Daily Mail spoke to 1055 adults in Scotland.
 
SNP business convener Derek Mackay said the poll showed a "strong endorsement" of the First Minister's drive to keep Scotland in Europe.
 
The poll found 47% would vote Yes if a second independence referendum were held tomorrow, with 41% for No and 12% undecided.
 
With the "don't knows" removed the figures represent a 53/47 split.
 
Around 42% said there should not be a second independence referendum, while 47% said there should be.
 
http://stv.tv/news/politics/1359036-poll-finds-support-for-independence-at-53-after-brexit-vote/

[MancMellow]

premalo je to.

 

ali pretnja ce stalno postojati

[Kampokei]

Mislim da ce dugorocni efekat Brexita na raspolozenje prema nezavisnosti da dobrim delom zavisi od ishoda pregovora VB i EU. Nisam siguran koliko ce Skoti vrednovati clanstvo u EU, ako to znaci da nemaju jedinstveno trziste sa ostatkom vlastitog ostrva. I koliko ce sloboda nastanjivanja u Amsterdamu i Barseloni biti vaznija od slobode nastanjivanja u Londonu.

[bradilko]

otisao cek i balansi u materinu.i u uk i u eu.

ja bi zaboravio na referendum.jebo demokratiju ali bez zezanja.demokratija je izvrgnuta ruglu.takve demokratije rezultate ne treba stovati.

skote treba upotrebiti kao most.prvo o tome dogovor.ne protiv skota.ako ima svesti u politicke elite londre,sto sumnjam.oni pumpaju posebnost.cekam vinstona nekog da se pojavi.

Edited June 29, 2016 by bradilko

[vememah]

Junker i Šulc primili Sterdžonovu u odvojenim sastancima, Tusk ju je otkačio rekavši da ne bi bilo zgodno, ali se zahvalio na pozivu.
 
Posle Gibraltara, Londona i Škotske i ostrva koja su direktno pod krunom i nisu deo Ujedinjenog Kraljevstva ni EU zatražila učešće u pojedinim delovima pregovorima jer će uticati na njihovu trgovinu i boravak državljana EU na njima. Džerzi i Gernzi su uz francusku obalu, a Man između Britanije i Irske.
 

Britain's Crown dependencies have written to David Cameron requesting a seat at Brexit negotiations despite already being outside the EU.

The chief ministers of Jersey, Guernsey and the Isle of Man said the islands had a "direct interest" in the UK's withdrawal because it would affect their trade arrangements with the EU.

People in the Crown dependencies were not eligible to vote in the referendum.
...
In the open letter published on Tuesday the leaders of the Crown dependencies said they wished to "retain the status quo" regarding their relationship with the EU, in particular concerning their Protocol 3 deal.

Protocol 3 - the section of the UK Treaty of Accession relating to the Crown dependencies - currently allows the islands to have free trade of goods with the EU but will be nullified when the UK formally leaves the union.

Decisions concerning rights for EU nationals were also "of particular relevance" to the Crown dependencies because they "are home to a significant number of non-British EU nationals and residents that have EU rights through their connection to the UK", the letter said.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36659873

[MancMellow]

Mislim da ce dugorocni efekat Brexita na raspolozenje prema nezavisnosti da dobrim delom zavisi od ishoda pregovora VB i EU. Nisam siguran koliko ce Skoti vrednovati clanstvo u EU, ako to znaci da nemaju jedinstveno trziste sa ostatkom vlastitog ostrva. I koliko ce sloboda nastanjivanja u Amsterdamu i Barseloni biti vaznija od slobode nastanjivanja u Londonu.

 

Ako Engleska ne bude imala pristup jedinstvenom trzistu bice im vaznije da mogu da se nasele u Amsterdamu ili Berlinu nego u Londonu. To je katastrofa scenario, ali mislim da nisu toliko skrenuli pamecu da ga sprovedu. EU ce jako patiti od tog dogovora. Potpun Free movement je za UK a non-starter. I to se Labour jos vise boji da to podrzi nego Tories (razumljivo). Ono sto je lose za UK je sto EU sada bukvalno ima opciju da kaze: ili prihvatite EEA isto kao Norveska ili dovidjenja. Engleska bi politicki implodirala jer ekonomija ne moze bez pristupa trzistu, a politicki je neizvodljivo. Ono sto je pak, lose za EU (posebno velike zemlje i posebno one sa bliskim ekonomskim odnosima sa UK) je sto bi ta implozija dobrano ugrozila. Moja procena je da ce se "naci" negde na sredini (ko zna gde ce ta sredina biti...) i da ce to zapravo biti okidac za nove referendume. 

 

Njabolje je da vrate sat u Grinicu 7 dana i da se ovo nije ni dogodilo. Zaista nema dobrog resenja.