BrExit?

[Prospero]

Mala Marina daje svoje refleksije, u NYT:
 

 

Marine Le Pen: After Brexit, the People’s Spring Is Inevitable
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By MARINE LE PEN
JUNE 28, 2016

 

 Credit Nicolas Ortega

 

PARIS — IF there’s one thing that chafes French pride, it’s seeing the British steal the limelight. But in the face of real courage, even the proudest French person can only tip his hat and bow. The decision that the people of Britain have just made was indeed an act of courage — the courage of a people who embrace their freedom.

Brexit won out, defeating all forecasts. Britain decided to cast off from the European Union and reclaim its independence among the world’s nations. It had been said that the election would hinge solely on economic matters; the British, however, were more insightful in understanding the real issue than commentators like to admit.

British voters understood that behind prognostications about the pound’s exchange rate and behind the debates of financial experts, only one question, at once simple and fundamental, was being asked: Do we want an undemocratic authority ruling our lives, or would we rather regain control over our destiny? Brexit is, above all, a political issue. It’s about the free choice of a people deciding to govern itself. Even when it is touted by all the propaganda in the world, a cage remains a cage, and a cage is unbearable to a human being in love with freedom.

The European Union has become a prison of peoples. Each of the 28 countries that constitute it has slowly lost its democratic prerogatives to commissions and councils with no popular mandate. Every nation in the union has had to apply laws it did not want for itself. Member nations no longer determine their own budgets. They are called upon to open their borders against their will.

Countries in the eurozone face an even less enviable situation. In the name of ideology, different economies are forced to adopt the same currency, even if doing so bleeds them dry. It’s a modern version of the Procrustean bed, and the people no longer have a say.

And what about the European Parliament? It’s democratic in appearance only, because it’s based on a lie: the pretense that there is a homogeneous European people, and that a Polish member of the European Parliament has the legitimacy to make law for the Spanish. We have tried to deny the existence of sovereign nations. It’s only natural that they would not allow being denied.

Brexit wasn’t the European people’s first cry of revolt. In 2005, France and the Netherlands held referendums about the proposed European Union constitution. In both countries, opposition was massive, and other governments decided on the spot to halt the experiment for fear the contagion might spread. A few years later, the European Union constitution was forced on the people of Europe anyway, under the guise of the Lisbon Treaty. In 2008, Ireland, also by way of referendum, refused to apply that treaty. And once again, a popular decision was brushed aside.

When in 2015 Greece decided by referendum to reject Brussels’ austerity plans, the European Union’s antidemocratic response took no one by surprise: To deny the people’s will had become a habit. In a flash of honesty, the president of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, unabashedly declared, “There can be no democratic choice against the European treaties.”

Brexit may not have been the first cry of hope, but it may be the people’s first real victory. The British have presented the union with a dilemma it will have a hard time getting out of. Either it allows Britain to sail away quietly and thus runs the risk of setting a precedent: The political and economic success of a country that left the European Union would be clear evidence of the union’s noxiousness. Or, like a sore loser, the union makes the British pay for their departure by every means possible and thus exposes the tyrannical nature of its power. Common sense points toward the former option. I have a feeling Brussels will choose the latter.

One thing is certain: Britain’s departure from the European Union will not make the union more democratic. The hierarchical structure of its supranational institutions will want to reinforce itself: Like all dying ideologies, the union knows only how to forge blindly ahead. The roles are already cast — Germany will lead the way, and France will obligingly tag along.

Here is a sign: President François Hollande of France, Prime Minister Matteo Renzi of Italy and acting Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy of Spain take their lead directly from Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany, without running through Brussels. A quip attributed to Henry Kissinger, “Who do I call if I want to call Europe?” now has a clear answer: Call Berlin.

So the people of Europe have but one alternative left: to remain bound hand-and-foot to a union that betrays national interests and popular sovereignty and that throws our countries wide open to massive immigration and arrogant finance, or to reclaim their freedom by voting.

Calls for referendums are ringing throughout the Continent. I myself have suggested to Mr. Hollande that one such public consultation be held in France. He did not fail to turn me down. More and more, the destiny of the European Union resembles the destiny of the Soviet Union, which died from its own contradictions.

The People’s Spring is now inevitable! The only question left to ask is whether Europe is ready to rid itself of its illusions, or if the return to reason will come with suffering. I made my decision a long time ago: I chose France. I chose sovereign nations. I chose freedom.

 

 

 

 

"Tamnica naroda"

 

Gde li sam to slušao ranije....

[Tribun_Populi]

Mala Marina daje svoje refleksije, u NYT:

 

"Tamnica naroda"

Ijaooo, pa mamu im jebem onu glupavu, zagledanu u svoj pupak.

 

Da im se prevede na sve evropske jezike onaj "oni kao hoće da se otcepe, a mi im kao ne damo" nesrećni Bosanac u JNA uniformi u slovenačkim šumama 1991. i da se pusta svakog jutra.

 

Debili ^_^

[vememah]

Dopisnik Dejli Fejla Mejla iz Brisela:

 

Edited June 28, 2016 by vememah

[Tribun_Populi]

Inače, taj resentman u Francuskoj ozbiljno raste:

 

 

Merkel, Hollande and Renzi in show of unity over Brexit

 

German Chancellor Angela Merkel insisted on Monday (27 June) that EU countries won’t negotiate the UK’s divorce with the European Union until the British government formally notifies them that it will leave.

“The UK must invoke Article 50. Beforehand, no negotiations are possible. There will be no informal or formal discussions before Article 50 is invoked,” Merkel said, referring to the part of the EU’s Lisbon Treaty that outlines how a country can leave the union.

British Prime Minister David Cameron announced that he will resign in October and will not formally notify other EU member states while he’s still in office.

UK voters chose to leave the European Union in a referendum on Thursday (23 June), leading to political turmoil in the UK.

Merkel had previously said discussions over Brexit should not be rushed.

But yesterday, she said the EU should avoid a “never-ending game, for the notification and for the negotiations.”

Hollande and Renzi used stronger words to say the UK should hurry up and leave.

“It must be as quick as possible, it’s better for the whole of the EU,” Hollande said.

“Tomorrow and the day after, it’s important that we stick to a schedule as much as that’s possible,” he added, referring to the two-day European Council summit set to start tomorrow.

Merkel was eager to dispel rumours that she had invited Hollande and Renzi to Berlin to decide how and when the UK will have to divorce from the EU.

The three will be joined tomorrow by the 25 other European heads of state and government at a summit in Brussels for first talks with British Prime Minister David Cameron since the UK referendum.

“Three cannot decide anything before the European Council,” Merkel said at a press conference.

The joint press conference was a calculated show of unity across the French-German axis, at a time of unprecedented crisis in Europe.

But divisions remain between France and Germany and inside the two countries as well.

 

France

 

French President François Hollande has met with dozen of people since the Brexit vote, including the government, and all French political parties on Saturday (25 June).

The last time the Elysée did something similar was eight months ago, just after the November terror attacks in Paris. But the situation this time has proved very different, as no unity has emerged from the talks.

On the contrary, the French right is ready to implode around the concept of Europe. Laurent Wauquiez, a previous European affairs minister who now chairs the Auvergne Rhône-Alpes, has even called for the European Commission to be ditched.

Other prominent figures like Alain Juppé and Bruno Le Maire and Nicolas Sarkozy do not agree on what path to take.

Sarkozy and Le Maire are both pushing for a referendum to be organised in France, whereas Alain Juppé, the favourite candidate for next year’s presidential election, thinks the idea is “irresponsible”.

Marine Le Pen is strongly arguing for a referendum, and her party, the National Front, has been crowing since British people voted.

Calls to send a strong and political message to European citizens are growing on the left.

“The timing would be good for enhancing a social Europe, we have to find a political way out of this crisis,” Socialist MEP Pervenche Beres said on Friday (24 June) before meeting with the president.

 

French-German axis

 

The idea of reconsidering the fiscal stability pact is gaining momentum in Germany. SPD leaders Sigmar Gabriel and Martin Schulz have started criticising austerity policies.

But for the French presidency, the first priority is showing a strong unity with Germany, as a guarantee to the European project.

“For now, the story is this; we are going to show the French-German axis is strong and going forward” a source insisted.

The source pointed out that Hollande and Merkel already had a few telephone calls over the weekend, and were in agreement.

But the two leaders have differences on how to treat the UK.

France insists that leaving must cost the UK, which was warned of the consequences of quitting the bloc.

After Donald Tusk in the morning, European Parliament President Martin Schulz came to have lunch with François Hollande on Monday (27 June) in Paris. Both of them agreed on the need to put pressure on the UK to activate Article 50, the legal process to take Britain out of the EU.

 

Foreign affair ministers meet

 

The German and French foreign ministers Frank Walter Steinmeier (SPD) and Jean-Marc Ayrault (PS) met in Berlin on Saturday (25 June).

Both warned that EU member states should focus on security, defence and migration in the future.

The “right answer” to the Brexit vote is “neither a simple call for more Europe nor a phase of mere reflection”, said Steinmeier and Ayrault in a joint letter published today, titled “A strong Europe in a world of uncertainties.”

The letter said that Europe was put to the test by “a series of crises in its southern and eastern environment. It is recovering slowly on the path of economic growth.”

The two ministers met in Prague on the same day with their Visegrad counterparts from the Czech Republic, Poland, Hungary and Slovakia, where they called for “better control” of the European partnership and a joint action after Brexit.

[vememah]

Novi Britanac u Komisiji bi mogao da završi kao Ugljanin u Vladi Srbije:

[harper lee]

Ocekujem da ova "intelektualna" ucitavanja u Brexit za nekoliko dana na forumu dostignu nivo u kojem ce neko da ispali kako je u Downing Street sleteo NLO iz buducnosti i objasnio Kameronu sta i kako treba da uradi na referendumu da bi spasio Britaniju i razjebao EU. Mislim da jos samo to do sada nije napisano.

[MancMellow]

Ne, Kameron se zajebao, kao i BoJo, i to tesko, ali sad je nastupio period damage controla. 

 

S tim sto BoJo ne pripada onoj struji koja vec 20 godina razmislja o ovako necemu. 

Edited June 28, 2016 by MancMellow

[harper lee]

Ne, Kameron se zajebao, kao i BoJo, i to tesko, ali sad je nastupio period damage controla. 

 

S tim sto BoJo ne pripada onoj struji koja vec 20 godina razmislja o ovako necemu. 

 

Naravno da su se zajebali, samo mi je smesno da citam na topiku ove teorije o nekakvim dubokoumnim i dalekovidim planovima koji su sve ludji kako vreme odmice.

Edited June 28, 2016 by harper

[Hella]

što 17 miliona glupih pokvari 1 pametan ne može popraviti

 

We've lost a THIRD of our value because of Brexit and cancelled a deal worth 3,000 jobs, says Virgin boss Richard Branson

    Sir Richard wants Parliament to take a second look at the EU referendum
    He believes Leave voters did not realise 'what a mess' they would cause
    Claims Brexit campaigners misled public over consequences of leaving
    Virgin's value has plunged and he says UK is 'heading towards disaster'

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3663620/We-ve-lost-value-Brexit-cancelled-deal-worth-3-000-jobs-says-Virgin-boss-Richard-Branson.html#ixzz4CrtcOqyO

Edited June 28, 2016 by Hella

[vememah]

 

 

 

Edited June 28, 2016 by vememah

[MancMellow]

[barrcode]

 

I once asked Rupert Murdoch why he was so opposed to the European Union. 'That’s easy,' he replied. 'When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice.

[vememah]

BoJo izgleda odlučio da ipak ne bi da ljuti čika Merdoka slobodnim protokom ljudi iz EU.

 

 

Andrew Clark ‏@clarkaw  41m41 minutes ago

@SamCoatesTimes how can he casually change his position on something so fundamental in 24 hours? Unbelievable

 

gfrancie ‏@gfrancie  3m3 minutes ago

@SamCoatesTimes @peterjukes What? Boris Johnson switching stories and positions? I am so surprised. That isn't like him at all.

 

David Dinsmore ‏@daviddinsmore12  16m16 minutes agoMayo, Ireland

@SamCoatesTimes @ingridmileyRTE As usual Boris's relationship with the truth is flexible

 

Stuart Robertson ‏@roberst77  25m25 minutes ago

@SamCoatesTimes I know Tories are ruthless but how can they possibly trust this man to run the country? Shameless untrustworthy opportunist.

 

Philip Davies ‏@pdss9  10s10 seconds ago

@SamCoatesTimes @EdConwaySky Such a principled man. Principles which have a shelf life of one day!

Edited June 28, 2016 by vememah

[frn1782]

Taj Boris sve vise podseca na princa Dzona iz engleskog folklora.

Onog sto je toliko uspesno hendlovao krunu da hteo da predje na Islam pa mu Turci rekli "nemoj da si smesan".

[Kampokei]

Farage u Evropskom parlamentu, ovo mu dodje nesto kao HDZ u Saveznoj skupstini krajem 1990.