dragance Posted August 25, 2016 Posted August 25, 2016 U pravu si doktore. I sistem u Francuskoj (hvala bobu) nije ogranicen tako kao u Nemackoj, sto me je sokiralo - ovo nisam znao do sada.
braca Posted August 25, 2016 Posted August 25, 2016 Da, sistem u Francuskoj nije uopšte takav, znam iz ličnog iskustva ;) Došao sam ovde sa 12 godina, nisam znao reči francuskog i posle samo 3 godine bio sam upisan u (dobar) lycée (srednja škola) sa otvorenim bulevarom za (dobar) fakultet...
Bustin Posted August 25, 2016 Posted August 25, 2016 Da, sistem u Francuskoj nije uopšte takav, znam iz ličnog iskustva ;) Došao sam ovde sa 12 godina, nisam znao reči francuskog i posle samo 3 godine bio sam upisan u (dobar) lycée (srednja škola) sa otvorenim bulevarom za (dobar) fakultet... Shtreber...
aram Posted August 25, 2016 Posted August 25, 2016 ...mislim da jedan forumas ovde izneo i licni slucaj sa svojim detetom, bas iz Nemacke prisutan :D i nije pomagalo ni sto je na IQ testovima imao najbolje rezultate, ni misljenje psihologa da mu samo treba malo vremena da se prilagodi, nista. tri osnovne skole promenili, a na kraju opet zajeb - jedina normalna uciteljica ode na bolovanje od godinu dana i jebi ga, u svedocanstvo preporuka da bi mu najbolje bilo da upise zanat. tako da, jebi ga, privatna gimnazija. plati pa klati. i sad ocene sve 1 i 2 (2 je kao kod nas 5, 1 bi bilo 5+)...
braca Posted August 25, 2016 Posted August 25, 2016 Shtreber... Pa sad... sansu jesam imao, ali je nisam iskoristio... sadasnje zanimanje (IT) sam ucio na sasvim drugom (i neobicnom) mestu...
Prospero Posted August 25, 2016 Posted August 25, 2016 Wearing a burkini is a 'provocation', says former French president Nicolas Sarkozy 'Wearing a burkini is a political act, it's militant, a provocation' Nicolas Sarkozy has labelled the burkini a “provocation” that supports radical Islam, as a heated debate over bans on the swimwear continues to rage in France. Controversy over “burkini bans”, imposed in a number of the country’s world-famous Riviera resorts, heightened on Tuesday after photographs emerged showing four police officers armed with handguns, batons and pepper spray forcing a woman on a beach in Nice to remove her burkini. Nice is the most recent French resort to ban the full-body swimsuits worn by some Muslim women, following bans in the Corsican town of Disco, and the Riviera resorts of Cannes and Villeneuve-Loubet. Several women have now been fined in France for wearing the swimwear. Wading into the debate, France’s former conservative president said the country should not “imprison women behind fabric”, adding that “doing nothing” against the burkini would “suggest France appears weak”, Le Point reports. In an interview due to be published in Le Figero Magazine on Friday, Mr Sarkozy said: “Wearing a burkini is a political act, it's militant, a provocation. “If we do not put an end to this, there is a risk that in 10 years, young Muslim girls who do not want to wear the veil or burkini will be stigmatised and peer-pressured.” The bans are now set to be scrutinised by France’s State Council, the country’s highest administrative court, after human rights groups challenged the prohibitations. A group called the Human Rights League (LDH) is appealing a decision by a lower court in Nice, which upheld a ban on the swimwear by the town of Villeneuve-Loubet. The LDH said the ban is a “serious and illegal attack on numerous fundamental rights”, including freedom of religion As a leading opposition figure, Mr Sarkozy announced this week he is running for the presidency again in next spring's election. Mr Sarkozy says if he wins, he will ban every religious sign in French universities. He is expected to campaign on a hard-line platform on immigration and security issues.
urkozamanje Posted August 25, 2016 Posted August 25, 2016 Što se tiče potpune integracije, ona je moguća jedino ako se subjekat odrekne svega što ih podseća da "nisi odavde": drugačiji običaji, odevanje, muzika, sport, kultura, naglasak... U suprotnom, u većini slučajeva će sve biti ok, ali i dalje ostaješ yougo, rital, bougnoul, polak... Ja ovo i ne kapiram bas. Ako si odande a uporno forsiras kulturu, obicaje, naglasak, odevanje, muziku, itd. "odnekud" kako drugacije da te percepiraju nego kao odnekudjanina? Zar ti tom svojom posebnoscu upravo i sam ne govoris/trazis isto?
wall Posted August 25, 2016 Posted August 25, 2016 Forsiranje i zadržavanje su dva sasvim različita pojma.
urkozamanje Posted August 25, 2016 Posted August 25, 2016 Razumem ja sta ti govoris, ali ako cemo iskreno, ako 3. generacija zadrzava vecinu gore navedenog onda to ipak vise vuce na forsiranje. Ne ulazim u razloge niti opravdanost istih, ali Francuzom/Nemcem/itd. te ne cini samo geografski polozaj. Valjda treba i da pripadas toj kulturi donekle?
wall Posted August 25, 2016 Posted August 25, 2016 Razumem i ja tebe i da stoji to da se i forsira. Ali ne možeš zaobići pitanje kako i zašto... Ono, forsiranje je kada lopovčina ide da se pričesti ili se bitanga kune nad biblijom ali ovo je daleko jače.
Hella Posted August 25, 2016 Posted August 25, 2016 stvarno skandal što babu oslobodiše patrijarhalnih okova u ostalim vestima videćete kako protiču ono i dsz aktivnosti usled epidemije mentalnih bolesti u francuskoj i šire Thousands of soldiers have been deployed to French schools and pupils are set to receive ' terrorism training' as part of the curriculum in a bid to combat extremism. Following a spate of devastating terror attacks in the country, including the Bataclan and Nice massacres , France will now deploy around 3,000 reserve troops to provide security to schools, education and security ministers announced. Anti-terror drills will also be ramped up in schools, preparing students for possible attacks. All students aged 13-14 will be get basic 'life-saving measures', education minister Najat Vallaud-Belkacem said yesterday. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/isis-attacks-force-france-deploy-8700753.amp
Dr Arslanagić Posted August 25, 2016 Posted August 25, 2016 Razumem ja sta ti govoris, ali ako cemo iskreno, ako 3. generacija zadrzava vecinu gore navedenog onda to ipak vise vuce na forsiranje. Ne ulazim u razloge niti opravdanost istih, ali Francuzom/Nemcem/itd. te ne cini samo geografski polozaj. Valjda treba i da pripadas toj kulturi donekle? Opet, teško da postoji država u Evropi gde su domaćini usvojili više kulturnih obrazaca od došljaka od Francuske. Pa čak je i arapsko/zapadnoafrički geto rep danas deo francuske popularne kulture. Francuska nikad došljake nije tretirala kao gastarbajtere već ih je privlačila kao imperijalna matica. Ali pod uslovima koji su podrazumevali da se zna jezik i da se prihvate sekularizam i jednakost, sloboda i bratstvo. Ne treba smetnuti s uma da u Francuskoj živi mnogo više Italijana, Španaca i Porutgalaca i njihovih potomaka nego Arapa. I nešto se ne sećam da je sa njima bilo nekih većih (ili bilo kakvih) problema.
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