Mađarski zid: izbeglice sa Bliskog istoka i iz Afrike u Srbiji i regionu

[Gricko]

 

Milanović je u Jastrebarskom novinarima potvrdio kako je vidio nacrt dokumenta, po kojemu države na 'balkanskoj ruti' više ne bi smjele bez dogovora sa susjedima dopremati izbjeglice i migrante na susjedne granice, no uvjeren je da se takav dokument neće prihvatiti, a od EU očekuje da problem riješi tamo gdje je i nastao, na granici između Turske i Grčke.

"Sve ovo drugo je gubljenje vremena", kazao je premijer Milanović te ocijenio kako je zaustavljanje izbjegličkog vala na grčko-turskoj granici jedino realno riješenje.

"Mislim da je to realno, možda ne trenutno, ali je realno jer to je jedini način, a bilo koji pristup smišljen u glavi nekog lijepo plaćenog birokrata u Bruxellesu, prema kojem bi ljudi morali ostajati tamo gdje uđu, je neostvariv", dodao je.

[Pontijak]

Sad treba naci:

 

"Ja zidove necu da dizem, eto necu i tacka..."

 

pa nece on dizati zidove, samo ce zatvoriti granice

[Gricko]

Ovi su u stanju da dižu zid jedino ako im iz Evrope donesu žice i pritke, i isporuče. Rupu na Brankovom mostu verovatno još nisu zakrpili.

 

Ili to, ili Bin Zajeb da dovuce gradjevinsku operativu.

[MancMellow]

Ili to, ili Bin Zajeb da dovuce gradjevinsku operativu.

 

osim pločica, naravno, to ćemo™ sami. 

 

Kakvo lutanje...

[Prospero]

O današnjem sastanku, 1. deo

 

Eastern leaders to give Juncker cold shoulder over refugee crisis

EurActiv.com by Georgi Gotev
 15:10


Prime Ministers Ponta, Borissov, and Vučić. [bulgarian government]

European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker called a mini-EU summit for today (25 October) with the leaders of the so-called “Balkan route” of Eastern European member states, in order to ask them to handle the migrant exodus in a dignified way.
But leaders from the region are prepared to tell Juncker that they won’t allow their countries to be transformed into refugee camps.
 
As migrants and bad weather cause chaos in the Balkans, German Chancellor Angela Merkel's push for a crisis meeting with regional leaders that Juncker will host today has raised concerns about a rift emerging between those emphasising humanitarian issues, and those stressing security, even if all agree both are important.
 
The leaders of Austria, Bulgaria, Croatia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Romania and Slovenia will meet their counterparts from non-EU states Macedonia and Serbia. Turkey, the key country tasked with resolving the flow of migrants, is not invited, and neither is France, the EU founding member, Germany's leadership equal in Europe.
 
Divisions have emerged even between Juncker and Council President Donald Tusk, who normally calls EU summits. Clearly, Juncker is sticking to Merkel’s line that Europe is obligated to receive the asylum seekers, while Tusk says EU solidarity should not be equivalent to naïveté, and freedom should not be equivalent to chaos.
 
More than 680,000 migrants and refugees have crossed to Europe by sea so far this year, fleeing war and poverty in the Middle East, Africa and Asia, according to the International Organization for Migration.
 
The current rate of arrivals of migrants to Greece is 10,000 per day. Most of the migrants says they want to settle in Germany, but fears are growing that even the largest EU economy won’t be able to handle the influx, and will someday soon close its borders.
According to its Schengen rules, EU countries can introduce temporary border controls, but for no longer than two months. Keeping border controls beyond this timeframe would abolish freedom of movement, one of the pillars of the European Union.
The Commission is reported to be panicking that the footage of migrants stranded in the Balkans will take over world news for many months, and project a dismal picture of the EU’s disintegration.
 
 
16-point plan
 
German media have reported that Juncker will present a 16-point plan, including an agreement not to send migrants from one country to another without prior consent. The meeting has been prepared by “sherpas”, meaning that the countries’ ambassadors have been involved in the drafting of the plan.
 
One of the items refers to sending more than 400 border guards within a week to help tackle the crisis is the Western Balkans.
Referring to the refugee exodus, First Commission Vice President Frans Timmermans said that “what was unimaginable before now becomes imaginable: the disintegration of the European project".
 
"Every day counts," Juncker said on Sunday in an interview in German weekly Bild am Sonntag. "Otherwise we will soon see families in cold rivers in the Balkans perish miserably."
 
Bulgaria, Serbia and Romania said they would close their borders if Germany or other countries shut the door on refugees, warning they would not let the Balkan region become a "buffer zone" for stranded migrants.
The three countries who call themselves “the Craiova Three”, whith reference to the Romanian city which hosted a first meeting in that format, met in Sofia on Saturday.
 
 
‘We are not blind’
 
"If Germany, Austria and other countries close their borders, we will not let our peoples become a buffer zone. We will be ready in the same way to close our borders," said Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borissov who hosted the meeting with his colleagues Victor Ponta of Romania and and Aleksandar Vučić of Serbia.
 
Borissov said that the Bulgarian and Romanian borders are guarded much better than those of Schegen states, or at least half of them. Bulgaria and Romania are not in Schengen, although the two countries met all the technical requirements years ago, but have not moved forward because of the opposition of Germany and the Netherlands.
 
"If you take a map of Europe you will see that Bulgaria, Romania Serbia and Greece will become the buffer zone between Turkey and the European Union. […] We are in favour of European solidarity, but we are not blind and if they would go to this experiment and leave the refugees with us, we will not agree," Borissov said.
 
According to Borissov, what should be done is to move on with the agreement with Turkey, making sure that the millions of Syrian refugees remain on Turkish territory.
 
Borissov made reference to the Brussels mini-summit, and said he worried that the EU had no strategy, and had no idea how long the mass arrival of refugees would last, and how those people be would accommodated and taken care of. He said that “all” were very worried by the Afgahn refugees, who he said were “hard to integrate”.
 
“We are not allowed to expose our peoples to such pressure. I hope tomorrow we will have a common position," Borissov said.
Bulgarian Deputy Prime Minister Ivailo Kalfin, who was in Brussels on Friday (23 October), and met with a small number of journalists, said the EU policy vis-à-vis the migrant crisis was mistaken, because it was stimulating the traffickers.
 
“Europe accepts those refugees, who have paid several thousands of dollars to traffickers”, he said, arguing that instead, there should be “hotspots” in countries neighbouring the conflict zones, such as Turkey, Jordan and Lebanon, from where asylum-seekers should seek to be relocated to EU countries.
 
Kalfin said that many countries were complaining, because their neighbours were taking refugees in an organised way from one border, and were leading them to the next border.
Indeed, many reports confirm that Croatia is taking refugees by buses from the Serbian border, to the border with Slovenia.
 
Kalfin said that Bulgaria was one of the few countries that did its job according to EU rules.
“We don’t transport refugees from one border to the other. Asylum seekers are registered in Bulgaria, their fingerprints are taken," he said.
 
Indeed, according to reports, migrants avoid Bulgaria precisely because of the high risk that they will be registered.
Bulgaria has a capacity to take in a few thousand of migrants, but the country’s entire capacity is far less than the daily influx of 10,000 migrants to Greece, he said.
 
The mini-summit is expected to last three hours, from 16:00 to 19:00 Brussels time, and will be followed by a dinner. Not all leaders though are expected to attend the dinner.
 
Borissov, in particular, is expected to leave early, as the country holds today local elections, and he plans to attend press events in Sofia following the announcement of the exit polls. 



 POSITIONS

Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte said Eastern European countries owe it to their partners to do more to stem the inflow, and demanded a fairer distribution of asylum seekers among member states.
"Eastern Europe has done too little to resist the refugee stream," told public television on Saturday. "We have invested a huge amount in them, and now they are doing too little."
 
Rights group Amnesty International said the 28-country bloc could not afford to end another meeting without an agreed plan.
"As winter looms, the sight of thousands of refugees sleeping rough as they make their way through Europe represents a damning indictment of the European Union's failure to offer a coordinated response to the refugee crisis," said John Dalhuisen, Amnesty's director for Europe and Central Asia. 
 
The Conservative ECR group has deplored that the summit is not held with all EU countries.
European Conservatives and Reformists Group home affairs spokesman Timothy Kirkhope MEP wrote to Commission President
 
Jean-Claude Juncker, saying he was very concerned that decisions being made in this meeting could have significant impacts on other EU countries that will not be able to represent their interests at this meeting.
 
“By only inviting one 'destination' country – Germany – I fear that you will give many other EU countries - especially in northern and central Europe - the strong impression that decisions are being made by a handful of countries that will have lasting effects in all EU member states”, Kirkhope wrote.

[Prospero]

 

O današnjem sastanku (koji je Orban napustio), 2. deo

 

 

Leaders clash at migration mini-summit

EurActiv.com by Georgi Gotev

 21:30

 

 

Slovenian PM Miro Cerar, and Juncker, before the mini-summit. [European Commission]

 

Leaders of the countries of the so-called “Balkan route” clashed today (25 October) with European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker and German Chancellor Angela Merkel, with some of them using the argument that the Union may fall apart because of the migrant exodus.

 

If European leaders fail to agree on a plan to counter the sudden influx of refugees, it could mean the end of the European Union, Slovenia's Prime Minister Miro Cerar said, as he arrived for an emergency meeting on the regional path which asylum seekers take from Greece, on their way to Germany.

 

"If we don't find a solution today, if we don't do everything we can today, then it is the end of the European Union as such," Cerar said. "If we don't deliver concrete action, I believe Europe will start falling apart," he told the Brussels press.

 

The leaders of Austria, Bulgaria, Croatia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Romania and Slovenia met their counterparts from non-EU states Macedonia, Serbia and Albania, added at the last moment. Turkey, the key country tasked with resolving the flow of migrants, was not invited, and neither was France, a founding member of the European Union.

 

It was clear from the beginning that the hastily convened mini-summit would be a clash between the EU executive, which advocates an open-door policy for asylum-seekers, and the Eastern European member states, which support shutting down Europe’s external borders.

 

The first to emerge from the summit was Serbian Prime Minister Aleksandar Vučić, whose body language clearly showed that the meeting was in deadlock.

 

“At least we had the chance to speak to each other, to hear each other and to learn a bit about the problems the others are facing. I’m not sure we will be able to conclude with something that will be helpful immediately," Vučić said.

Asked by EurActiv if leaders had agreed on the 16-point plan presented by Juncker, Vučić said “not yet”.

 

Bulgarian Prime Minister Boyko Borissov made an appearance before the press, following his Serbian colleague. Borissov said that all the leaders are very worried, because the problems the member states are facing are huge.

 

Borissov said he would refrain from commenting on details of the disagreements, but said that one issue he was absolutely against was the proposal by Juncker that EU countries should take loans from international financial institutions in order to deal with the migrant crisis.

 

He said he was strictly for the observation of the Maastricht criteria on financial discipline, and warned against the risk of turning the refugee crisis into a new financial crisis.

 

Borissov said he had asked, but received no answer, how many refugees the European Union is prepared to take - one million, two, five or ten. 

"Juncker will come out soon. You should ask him," he said.

Edited October 25, 2015 by Prospero

[Frank Pembleton]

Cekajte jel ima jos neka potvrda ovoga:

 

but said that one issue he was absolutely against was the proposal by Juncker that EU countries should take loans from international financial institutions in order to deal with the migrant crisis.

   

[MancMellow]

 

 

Craiova Three

 

 

Ok, dobro je da smo™ uopšte bili na tom sastanku

 

 

 

"Eastern Europe has done too little to resist the refugee stream," told public television on Saturday. "We have invested a huge amount in them, and now they are doing too little

 

U koga su investirali toliko mnogo? U nas nisu sigurno. Mislim neću da kažem, naravno, da nije bilo ničega, ali ne može da se poredi sa ovim zemljama koje su ušle u EU.

Edited October 25, 2015 by MancMellow

[Dagmar]

"Eastern Europe has done too little to resist the refugee stream," told public television on Saturday. "We have invested a huge amount in them, and now they are doing too little."

 

 

Niko ih (western Europe) ne sprečava da oni "resist" the refugee stream. Ne znam zaista šta hoće, ako hoće da se ne upuštaju izbeglice preko granice, slobodan je da ne upušta u svoju zemlju, ako ih treba tući i prebijati da ne dolaze, nek izvoli pa to organizuje kod sebe. ovako mi zvuči da bi on da eastern Europe prlja ruke a na zapadu da sede, piju čaj sa podignutim prstićem, i distantno komentarišu spoljnopolitičke događaje.

 

A za ovo

Kalfin said that many countries were complaining, because their neighbours were taking refugees in an organised way from one border, and were leading them to the next border.

Indeed, many reports confirm that Croatia is taking refugees by buses from the Serbian border, to the border with Slovenia.

 Detinjasto je al moram: što Hrvati ne šaraju malo?

[Gricko]

Cekajte jel ima jos neka potvrda ovoga:

   

Neverovatno! 

[MancMellow]

Mislim, ok, ja imam potpuno drugačije gledište na probleme, recimo, 1 Mađarske i Slovačke i probleme Makedonije i Srbije. Što se mene tiče ove prve dve (i još mnogi drugi) imaju i moralnu i obavezu po propisima EU da budu maksimalno solidarne i to ne samo prema izbeglicama. It comes with the turf. 

[Gricko]

Ovo izmice kontroli: 

 

 

 

Словеначка влада саопштила је да се очекује да ће за 24 часа у ту земљу укупно ући 15.000 миграната и да је немогуће да се на тако огроман прилив миграната одговори на прави начин.

[MancMellow]

Možda samo sebi prave PR za neke drastične mere. 

 

Koliko je ušlo iz Srbije u HR u poslednja 24h, ako neko zna?

[Gricko]

Možda samo sebi prave PR za neke drastične mere. 

 

Koliko je ušlo iz Srbije u HR u poslednja 24h, ako neko zna?

OD PONOĆI do 9 sati u Republiku Hrvatsku ušlo je 4 355 izbjeglica, a trenutno je u privremenom prihvatnom centru u Opatovcu 4 361 osoba. 

 

[MancMellow]

pa znači pričaju bez veze tj bez veze sa realnom situacijom