Budja Posted September 5, 2016 Posted September 5, 2016 Naravno da je dramaticno jer se pojavljuje partija desno od cdu/csu sa potencijalom da uzme oko 20% glasova. To je mnogo vaznije od ovog uobicajenog igranja procentima. Nije dramaticno za CDU, kako rekoh, ni manje ni vise nego za SPD. Za drzavu i politicki sistem, to je drugo pitanje.
Anduril Posted September 5, 2016 Posted September 5, 2016 Nije dramaticno za CDU, kako rekoh, ni manje ni vise nego za SPD. Za drzavu i politicki sistem, to je drugo pitanje. Dramaticno jeste, i to posebno za CDU/CSU, jer sa AfD u parlamentu u nekim provincijama verovatno vise nikad nece osvojiti absolutnu vecinu a i koalicije sa malim liberalima ce biti teze. Za SPD ovo ne menja previse posto su vec nesto slicno doziveli sa die Linke i Zelenima pa su sada na 20% (40% ranije). Tako ce sada verovatno biti i sa CDU.
burekdzija Posted September 5, 2016 Posted September 5, 2016 (edited) Nece to biti dramaticno ni za SPD a ni za CDU, zato sto ce AfD nestati cim prvi put dodju do toga da ucestvuju u vlasti iz prostog razloga sto su sve kreten do kretena (kao i pirati uostalom, s tom razlikom sto su se pirati barem u linux malo razumeli, a ovi se ne razumeju ni u sta). Istorija ce me mozda demantovati, ali sumnjam. Ja mislim da ce AfD imati uticaja samo na unutrasnju borbu za vlast u CDU, tj. ko ce biti sledeci kandidat za kancelara. Moguce je i da je Angela resila da ode in the blaze of glory i ostane zapamcena kao "dobar Nemac". Edited September 5, 2016 by burekdzija
Dr Arslanagić Posted September 5, 2016 Posted September 5, 2016 AfD će se sigurno izduvati ali treba očekivati bar jedan izborni ciklus gde će biti na 10-15%. Takođe, oni će pogurati CDU u desno. Možda to i nije loše, jer ovako kako trenutno jeste, SPD će zauvek kuburiti u opoziciji ili, još gore, kao prilepak u velikoj koaliciji.
Anduril Posted September 5, 2016 Posted September 5, 2016 Nece to biti dramaticno ni za SPD a ni za CDU, zato sto ce AfD nestati cim prvi put dodju do toga da ucestvuju u vlasti iz prostog razloga sto su sve kreten do kretena (kao i pirati uostalom, s tom razlikom sto su se pirati barem u linux malo razumeli, a ovi se ne razumeju ni u sta). Istorija ce me mozda demantovati, ali sumnjam. Ja mislim da ce AfD imati uticaja samo na unutrasnju borbu za vlast u CDU, tj. ko ce biti sledeci kandidat za kancelara. Moguce je i da je Angela resila da ode in the blaze of glory i ostane zapamcena kao "dobar Nemac". Mozda, a mozda se desi i situacija sa FPO u Austriji ili FN u Francuskoj. Problem ce biti ako vise ljudi sa desnog CDU budu prelazili u AfD a potencijal za to postoji. Gauland, ne tako siva eminencija AfD, je upravo jedan od njih. Problem sa Merkel je isti kao i sa vecinom politicara kada prodju 10 godina na vrhu - istrose se, gube kontakt sa realnoscu, okruzeni su poltronima, itd. Dodatni problem u CDU jeste sto nema nekih jacih licnosti sa jasnim profilom...
aram Posted September 6, 2016 Posted September 6, 2016 dan-dva kasnije, posto su se malo slegle prve emotivne reakcije, jasno je da je CDU osvojio samo 3.500 glasova manje nego na prethodnim izborima.
Hella Posted September 15, 2016 Posted September 15, 2016 Hehe, aram se lozi na babu :) već smo 2011 znali da su domaći građanisti objavili rat logičkom razmišljanju i trenutno preko političke korektnosti hrle ka poturčivanju jer se tako nosi svugde u svetu First the burqa, then the burkini, now Germany adopts the BURKIRNDL: Traditional low-cut Bavarian outfit is adapted for Muslims The traditional Bavarian dress - called a dirndl - has a plunging bustline Renate Hoffmann, 63, adapted it and added a Muslim-style head covering Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3788611/First-burqa-burkini-Germany-adopts-BURKIRNDL-Traditional-low-cut-Bavarian-outfit-adapted-Muslims.html#ixzz4KKBikm3e
precog Posted September 15, 2016 Posted September 15, 2016 već smo 2011 znali da su domaći građanisti objavili i trenutno preko političke korektnosti hrle ka poturčivanju jer se tako nosi svugde u svetu A ko su ti domaci gradjanisti, nisam ispratio?
Hella Posted September 16, 2016 Posted September 16, 2016 (edited) A ko su ti domaci gradjanisti, nisam ispratio? suicidna belolistićarija koja je pored botovanja za vučića po raznoraznim topicima propovedala da će evropa imati neviđene koristi od talasa alahovih testosterondžija iz trećeg sveta što se naravno pokazalo kao neviđeno baljezganje pošto obično kvalitetno cenim tako cenim i da će kad džihad stvarno dogori do nokata politički pomodarčići odabrati hidžab i sunećenje da ne ispadnu rasisti kao što im sugeriše neka nova rifenštalka https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu9K2TCON58 This is a short insight on the programs you can expect on both State and privately owned Television channels in Germany. In this advertisement, a veiled woman stands in front of a text that spells "Turkish women wear the Hijab". The woman looks to the camera and turns out to be a blonde German girl: Charlotte Würdig, an actress and TV moderator . She proudly exclaims that "I wear one (a Hijab) too, it's beautiful" before stating the Ad campaign slogan: "Enjoy difference, start Tolerance." German taxpayers have to pay a mandatory State Television and Media broadcasting fee to finance the government owned Television and Radio channels. All private channels belong to just three companies. This particularly Channel is called "Pro 7" and belongs to the Lavena Holding 4 GmbH which also owns other major Entertainment and News channels. The entire network was bought by a Jewish billionaire, Haim Sabam, and subsequently every channel was infiltrated with a multicultural agenda. In some cases, the blatant propaganda of privately owned channels is even more ridiculous than State Television. The ad campaign was funded by the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) in 2012. The broadcasting fee is used to fund all state owned media outlets, who have grown to be bureaucratic giants, arguably wasting billions of taxpayer money every year. A good example of wasteful sepnding is sexual education, available in Arabic, for male refugees, featuring advise on various sexual positions and the process on how to impregnate a girl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3nTu0UX4JA Even if you can prove that you own neither a Television nor Radio, the state forces you to pay the fee. People have been imprisoned for refusing to pay it. In a recent case, a 46 year old German woman from Thuringia was sentenced to 6 months in prison for not paying her broadcasting fee, totaling 196€ ($220), for ideological reasons. Due to public outcry, she was released after serving 2 months in prison. Edited September 16, 2016 by Hella
Anduril Posted September 18, 2016 Posted September 18, 2016 Dve nedelje kasnije je CDU ponovo pukla i to u mnogo vecoj provinciji - u Berlinu, dobilu su samo 17% a izgubili su skoro 6% posle ionako slabog rezultata prosli put. Totalni raspad i to sasvim zasluzeno. Ni SPD nije prosla mnogo bolje ali ima bolji koalicioni potencijal...
Budja Posted September 18, 2016 Posted September 18, 2016 Ajde nek neko postavi komparativne rezultate sa proslih i ovih izbora.
Razzmatazz Posted September 18, 2016 Posted September 18, 2016 (edited) SPD 21.5 CDU 17.6 Linke 15.7 Grüne 15.2 AfD 14.7 FDP 6.7 Pirati 1.7 ostali 7.5 Raspršili se skroz na 5 stranaka. Edited September 18, 2016 by Razzmatazz
Dr Arslanagić Posted September 18, 2016 Posted September 18, 2016 Oćekivano. CDU će shvatiti poruku, SPD naravno neće.
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