Islamska drzava

[mandingo]

nije 100%. silver lining....

[Hella]

iako je u pitanju onaj ludi kepec priznajem da ovo ne ostavlja loš utisak 

 

doduše bilo bi jače da je zapretio nekom ženom za lansirnim dugmetom

 

As cruise missiles were launched toward Islamic State (Isis) positions in Syria by a Russian submarine in the Mediterranean on 8 December, Russian President Vladimir Putin expressed his "hope" that nuclear weapons would not be needed to fight the terrorist group.

 

At a meeting in Moscow, Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu told Putin that the Rostov-on-Don submarine's 3M-54 Kalibr missiles successfully struck targets in the IS (Daesh) stronghold of Raqqa. Putin said that the missiles can be equipped with both conventional and nuclear warheads "which, I hope, will never be needed", Russia Today reported.

 

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/war-isis-vladimir-putin-raises-spectre-nuclear-bombs-russia-targets-daesh-syria-1532475

Edited December 10, 2015 by Hella

[iDemo]

čovek "želi da veruje"... k'o ono nekad Kradoman™ i Vuk

[Lord Protector]

Who Will Fight the Islamic State? 

 

Tom Engelhardt On  December 10, 2015 

Originally posted at TomDispatch.

 

In the many strategies proposed to defeat the Islamic State (IS) by presidential candidates, policymakers, and media pundits alike across the American political spectrum, one common element stands out: someone else should really do it. The United States will send in planes, advisers, and special ops guys, but it would be best – and this varies depending on which pseudo-strategist you cite – if the Arabs, Kurds, Turks, Sunnis, and/or Shias would please step in soon and get America off the hook.

The idea of seeing other-than-American boots on the ground, like Washington’s recently deep-sixed scheme to create some “moderate” Syrian rebels out of whole cloth, is attractive on paper. Let someone else fight America’s wars for American goals. Put an Arab face on the conflict, or if not that at least a Kurdish one (since, though they may not be Arabs, they’re close enough in an American calculus). Let the U.S. focus on its “bloodless” use of air power and covert ops. Somebody else, Washington’s top brains repeatedly suggest, should put their feet on the embattled, contested ground of Syria and Iraq. Why, the U.S. might even gift them with nice, new boots as a thank-you.

Is this, however, a realistic strategy for winning America’s war(s) in the Middle East?

The Great Champions of the Grand Strategy

Recently, presidential candidate Hillary Clinton openly called for the U.S. to round up some Arab allies, Kurds, and Iraqi Sunnis to drive the Islamic State’s fighters out of Iraq and Syria. On the same day that Clinton made her proposal, Bernie Sanders called for “destroying” the Islamic State, but suggested that it “must be done primarily by Muslim nations.” It’s doubtful he meant Indonesia or Malaysia.

Among the Republican contenders, Marco Rubio proposed that the U.S. “provide arms directly to Sunni tribal and Kurdish forces.” Ted Cruz threw his support behind arming the Kurds, while Donald Trump appeared to favor more violence in the region by whoever might be willing to jump in.

The Pentagon has long been in favor of arming both the Kurds and whatever Sunni tribal groups it could round up in Iraq or Syria. Various pundits across the political spectrum say much the same.

They may all mean well, but their plans are guaranteed to fail. Here’s why, group by group.

The Gulf Arabs

Much of what the candidates demand is based one premise: that “the Arabs” see the Islamic State as the same sort of threat Washington does.

It’s a position that, at first glance, would seem to make obvious sense. After all, while American politicians are fretting about whether patient IS assault teams can wind their way through this country’s two-year refugee screening process, countries like Saudi Arabia have them at their doorstep. Why wouldn’t they jump at the chance to lend a helping hand, including some planes and soldiers, to the task of destroying that outfit? “The Arabs,” by which the U.S. generally means a handful of Persian Gulf states and Jordan, should logically be demanding the chance to be deeply engaged in the fight.

That was certainly one of the early themes the Obama administration promoted after it kicked off its bombing campaigns in Syria and Iraq back in 2014. In reality, the Arab contribution to that “coalition” effort to date has been stunningly limited. Actual numbers can be slippery, but we know that American warplanes have carried out something like 90%of the air strikes against IS. Of those strikes that are not all-American, parsing out how many have been from Arab nations is beyond even Google search’s ability. The answer clearly seems to be not many.

Keep in mind as well that the realities of the region seldom seem to play much of a part in Washington’s thinking. For the Gulf Arabs, all predominantly Sunni nations, the Islamic State and its al-Qaeda-linked Sunni ilk are little more than a distraction from what they fear most, the rise of Shia power in places like Iraq and the growing regional strength of Iran.

In this context, imagining such Arab nations as a significant future anti-IS force is absurd. In fact, Sunni terror groups like IS and al-Qaeda have in part been funded by states like Saudi Arabia or at least rich supporters living in them. Direct funding links are often difficult to prove, particularly if the United States chooses not to publicly prove them. This is especially so because the money that flows into such terror outfits often comes from individual donors, not directly from national treasuries, or may even be routed through legitimate charitable organizations and front companies.

However, one person concerned in an off-the-record way with such Saudi funding for terror groups was Secretary of State Hillary Clinton back in 2009. In a classified warning message (now posted on WikiLeaks), she suggested in blunt terms that donors in Saudi Arabia were the “most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide.”

One who thinks the Saudis and other Gulf countries may be funding rather than fighting IS and is ready to say so is Russian President Vladimir Putin. At the recent G20 meeting, heannounced that he had shared intelligence information revealing that 40 countries, including some belonging to the G20 itself, finance the majority of the Islamic State’s activities. Though Putin’s list of supposed funders was not made public, on the G20 side Saudi Arabia and Turkey are more likely candidates than South Korea and Japan.

Most recently, the German vice chancellor has explicitly accused the Saudis of funding Sunni radical groups.

Expecting the Gulf Arab states to fight IS also ignores the complex political relationship between those nations and Islamic fundamentalism generally. The situation is clearest in Saudi Arabia, where the secular royal family holds power only with the shadowy permission of Wahhabist religious leaders. The latter provide the former with legitimacy at the price of promoting Islamic fundamentalism abroad. From the royals’ point of view, abroad is the best place for it to be, as they fear an Islamic revolution at home. In a very real way, Saudi Arabia is supporting an ideology that threatens its own survival.

The Kurds

At the top of the list of groups included in the American dream of someone else fighting IS are the Kurds. And indeed, the peshmerga, the Kurdish militia, are actually on the battlefields of northern Iraq and Syria, using American-supplied weapons and supported by American air power and advisers in their efforts to kill Islamic State fighters.

But looks can be deceiving. While a Venn diagram would show an overlap between some U.S. and Kurdish aims, it’s important not to ignore the rest of the picture. The Kurds are fighting primarily for a homeland, parts of which are, for the time being, full of Islamic State fighters in need of killing. The Kurds may indeed destroy them, but only within the boundaries of what they imagine to be a future Kurdistan, not in the heartlands of the Syrian and Iraqi regions that IS now controls.

Not only will the Kurds not fight America’s battles in parts of the region, no matter how we arm and advise them, but it seems unlikely that, once in control of extended swaths of northern Iraq and parts of Syria, they will simply abandon their designs on territory that is now a part of Turkey. It’s a dangerous American illusion to imagine that Washington can turn Kurdish nationalism on and off as needed.

The Kurds, now well armed and battle-tested, are just one of the genies Washington released from that Middle Eastern bottle in 2003 when it invaded Iraq. Now, whatever hopes the U.S. might still have for future stability in the region shouldn’t be taken too seriously. Using the Kurds to fight IS is a devil’s bargain.

The Turks

And talking about devil’s bargains, don’t forget about Turkey. The Obama administration reached a deal to fly combat missions in its intensifying air war against the Islamic State from two bases in Turkey. In return, Washington essentially looked the other way while Turkish President Recep Erdogan re-launched a war against internal Kurdish rebels at least in part to rally nationalistic supporters and win an election. Similarly, the U.S. has supported Turkey’s recent shoot-down of a Russian aircraft.

When it comes to the Islamic State, though, don’t hold your breath waiting for the Turks to lend a serious military hand. That country’s government has, at the very least, probably been turning a blind eye to the smuggling of arms into Syria for IS, and is clearly a conduit for smuggling its oil out onto world markets. American politicians seem to feel that, for now, it’s best to leave the Turks off to the side and simply be grateful to them for slapping the Russians down and opening their air space to American aircraft.

That gratitude may be misplaced. Some 150 Turkish troops, supported by 20 to 25 tanks, have recently entered northern Iraq, prompting one Iraqi parliamentarian to label the action “switching out alien (IS) rule for other alien rule.” The Turks claim that they have had military trainers in the area for some time and that they are working with local Kurds to fight IS. It may also be that the Turks are simply taking a bite from a splintering Iraq. As with so many situations in the region, the details are murky, but the bottom line is the same: the Turks’ aims are their own and they are likely to contribute little either to regional stability or American war aims.

The Sunnis

Of the many sub-strategies proposed to deal with the Islamic State, the idea of recruiting and arming “the Sunnis” is among the most fantastical. It offers a striking illustration of the curious, somewhat delusional mindset that Washington policymakers, including undoubtedly the next president, live in.

As a start, the thought that the U.S. can effectively fulfill its own goals by recruiting local Sunnis to take up arms against IS is based on a myth: that “the surge” during America’s previous Iraq War brought us a victory later squandered by the locals. With this goes a belief, demonstrably false, in the shallowness of the relationship between many Iraqi and Syrian Sunnis and the Islamic State.

According to the Washington mythology that has grown up around that so-called surge of 2007-2008, the U.S. military used money, weapons, and clever persuasion to convince Iraq’s Sunni tribes to break with Iraq’s local al-Qaeda organization. The Sunnis were then energized to join the coalition government the U.S. had created. In this way, so the story goes, the U.S. arrived at a true “mission accomplished” moment in Iraq. Politicians on both sides of the aisle in Washington still believe that the surge, led by General David Petraeus, swept to success by promoting and arming a “Sunni Awakening Movement,” only to see American plans thwarted by a too-speedy Obama administration withdrawal from the country and the intra-Iraqi squabbling that followed. So the question now is: why not “awaken” the Sunnis again?

In reality, the surge involved almost 200,000 American soldiers, who put themselves temporarily between Sunni and Shia militias. It also involved untold millions of dollars of “payments” – what in another situation would be called bribes – that brought about temporary alliances between the U.S. and the Sunnis. The Shia-dominated Iraqi central government never signed onto the deal, which began to fall apart well before the American occupation ended. The replacement of al-Qaeda in Iraq by a newly birthed Islamic State movement was, of course, part and parcel of that falling-apart process.

After the Iraqi government stopped making the payments to Sunni tribal groups first instituted by the Americans, those tribes felt betrayed. Still occupying Iraq, those Americans did nothing to help the Sunnis. History suggests that much of Sunni thinking in the region since then has been built around the motto of “won’t get fooled again.”

So it is unlikely in the extreme that local Sunnis will buy into basically the same deal that gave them so little of lasting value the previous time around. This is especially so since there will be no new massive U.S. force to act as a buffer against resurgent Shia militias. Add to this mix a deep Sunni conviction that American commitments are never for the long term, at least when it comes to them. What, then, would be in it for the Sunnis if they were to again throw in their lot with the Americans? Another chance to be part of a Shia-dominated government in Baghdad that seeks to marginalize or destroy them, a government now strengthened by Iranian support, or a Syria whose chaos could easily yield a leadership with similar aims?

In addition, a program to rally Sunnis to take up arms against the Islamic State presumes that significant numbers of them don’t support that movement, especially given their need for protection from the depredations of Shia militias. Add in religious and ethnic sentiments, anti-western feelings, tribal affiliations, and economic advantage – it is believed that IS kicks back a share of its oil revenues to compliant Sunni tribal leaders – and what exactly would motivate a large-scale Sunni transformation into an effective anti-Islamic State boots-on-the-ground force?

Shias

Not that they get mentioned all that often, being closely associated with acts of brutality against Sunnis and heavily supported by Iran, but Iraq’s Shia militias are quietly seen by some in Washington as a potent anti-IS force. They have, in Washington’s mindset, picked up the slack left after the Iraqi Army abandoned its equipment and fled the Islamic State’s fighters in northern Iraq in June 2014, and again in the Sunni city of Ramadi in May 2015.

Yet even the militia strategy seems to be coming undone. Several powerful Shia militias recently announced, for instance, their opposition to any further deployment of U.S. forces to their country. This was after the U.S. Secretary of Defense unilaterally announced that an elite special operations unit would be sent to Iraq to combat the Islamic State. The militias just don’t trust Washington to have their long-term interests at heart (and in this they are in good company in the region). “We will chase and fight any American force deployed in Iraq,” said one militia spokesman. “We fought them before and we are ready to resume fighting.”

Refusing to Recognize Reality

The Obama/Clinton/Sanders/Cruz/Rubio/Pentagon/et al. solution – let someone else fight the ground war against IS – is based on what can only be called a delusion: that regional forces there believe in American goals (some variant of secular rule, disposing of evil dictators, perhaps some enduring U.S. military presence) enough to ignore their own varied, conflicting, aggrandizing, and often fluid interests. In this way, Washington continues to convince itself that local political goals are not in conflict with America’s strategic goals. This is a delusion.

In fact, Washington’s goals in this whole process are unnervingly far-fetched. Overblown fears about the supposedly dire threats of the Islamic State to “the homeland” aside, the American solution to radical Islam is an ongoing disaster. It is based on the attempted revitalization of the collapsed or collapsing nation-state system at the heart of that region. The stark reality is that no one there – not the Gulf states, not the Kurds, not the Turks, not the Sunnis, nor even the Shia – is fighting for Iraq and Syria as the U.S. remembers them.

Unworkable national boundaries were drawn up after World War I without regard for ethnic, sectarian, or tribal realities and dictatorships were then imposed or supported past their due dates. The Western answer that only secular governments are acceptable makes sad light of the power of Islam in a region that often sees little or no separation between church and state.

Secretary of State John Kerry can join the calls for the use of “indigenous forces” as often as he wants, but the reality is clear: Washington’s policy in Syria and Iraq is bound to fail, no matter who does the fighting.

Peter Van Buren blew the whistle on State Department waste and mismanagement during the Iraqi reconstruction in We Meant Well: How I Helped Lose the Battle for the Hearts and Minds of the Iraqi People. A TomDispatch regular, he writes about current events at We Meant Well. His latest book is Ghosts of Tom Joad: A Story of the #99Percent. His next work will be a novel, Hooper’s War.

 

Edited December 11, 2015 by slow

[steins]

iako je u pitanju onaj ludi kepec priznajem da ovo ne ostavlja loš utisak 

 

doduše bilo bi jače da je zapretio nekom ženom za lansirnim dugmetom

 

my money is on midget™ 

 

a i bilo je vreme - cca 60 godina je niko nije nigde spičio, ukvariće se u silosima.

[Budja]

kakav vizionar!

 

 

 

Tony Blair: 'Gaddafi deal prevented Isis getting chemical weapons'

Former PM defends decision to strike a deal that ended Libyan isolation in return for a commitment by Gaddafi to get rid of his chemical weapons

[Yoda]

ISIS OSVAJA LIBIJU, DOŠAO JE NA SAMO 66 KM OD TRIPOLIJA Europske države već kuju plan za vojnu akciju: 'Moramo djelovati odmah!'

Pozivajući se na izvore u vladi premijera Davida Camerona, Telegraph u izdanju od subote piše da Velika Britanija priprema vojnu intervenciju u Libiji zbog straha da bi militanti Islamske države to svoje novo uporište na obali Sredozemnog mora, udaljeno tek nekoliko stotina kilometara od prvih europskih otoka, mogli koristiti za terorističke napade na Stari kontinent.

 

Dužnosnici u Foreign Officeu i britanskom ministarstvu obrane kažu da su 'iznimno zabrinuti' zbog rapidnog uspona ISIS-a i drugih ekstremističkih skupina u Libiji te stoga razmatraju planove za intervenciju kojom bi otklonili opasnost. Izvor iz britanske vlade kaže da sve ide u smjeru sačinjavanja plana prema kojemu bi Ujedinjeno Kraljevstvo dalo vojnu podršku svojim europskim saveznicima ne bi li porazili ISIS u Libiji.

Francuski premijer Manuel Valls u petak je sasvim otvoreno pozvao na bitku protiv islamističkih ekstremista na području sjevera Afrike. 'Mi smo u ratu, imamo neprijatelja kojega moramo satrati u Siriji, Iraku, a uskoro i u Libiji', izjavio je.

 

ISIS prema nekim procjenama u Libiji ima između 2000 i 3000 boraca. Pariz je već prerasporedio oko 3500 vojnika, korištenih u intervenciji u Maliju 2013., širom zapadne Afrike i uspostavio je bazu oko 75 kilometara od libijske južne granice radi borbe protiv terorizma.

 

http://www.jutarnji.hr/isis-osvaja-libiju--dosao-je-na-samo-66-km-od-tripolija-europske-drzave-vec-kuju-plan-za-vojnu-intervenciju---moramo-djelovati-odmah--/1477655/

Edited December 12, 2015 by Yoda

[Cane Vukic Prebranac]

Има ли негдје нека тренутна карта Калифата? И колико је реално да Либија шаптом пада? Тамо има буљук формација, да ли се они масовно приклањају ИСИЛу или су преслаби да пруже отпор?

[apostata]

El Chapo and his mexican cartel just sent this chilling message to the leader of ISIS

 

http://www.sickchirpse.com/el-chapo-and-his-mexican-cartel-just-sent-this-chilling-message-to-the-leader-of-isis/

[Miralem]

ceka se stav kristijana.

[Prospero]

Slavoj Žižek  13/12/2015

 

Pravi neprijatelj

 

Ima nečeg lažnog u svečanim izjavama da smo svi u ratu protiv Islamske države – sve svetske supersile protiv jedne klero-militantne bande koja kontroliše deo neke pustinje. Ne kažem da Isis ne treba uništiti, i to bezuslovno, bez ikakvog “ali”. Tu se jedino “ali” odnosi na nužnost da se STVARNO posvetimo uništavanju Isisa, a ne patetičnim izjavama i pozivima na solidarnost svih “civilizovanih” snaga protiv demonskog fundamentalističkog neprijatelja.

 

Treba preskočiti uobičajenu litaniju levih liberala: “Protiv terorizma se ne može boriti terorom, nasilje rađa veće nasilje”. Vreme je za neprijatna pitanja: kako je moguće da Islamska država opstaje? Kao što svi znamo, uprkos zvaničnim osudama i odbacivanju sa svih strana, postoje snage i države koje je prećutno tolerišu i pružaju joj pomoć. Na primer, dok se u ratom razdiranoj Siriji vode žestoki sukobi između ruske vojske i terorista Islamske države, mnogi povređeni borci Isisa prelaze na tursku teritoriju i završavaju u turskim vojnim bolnicama.

 

Kao što je nedavno rekao David Graeber, da je Turska uvela potpunu blokadu teritorija Isisa, poput one u delovima Sirije koje drže Kurdi, a pogotovo da je prema Kurdistanskoj radničkoj partiji (PKK) i kurdskim vojnim snagama (YPG) pokazala isti “dobroćudni nemar” kao prema Islamskoj državi, ova bi se odavno srušila i možda ne bi bilo pariskih napada. Umesto toga, Turska ne samo da je diskretno pomagala Isis zbrinjavajući njegove ranjene vojnike i omogućujući izvoz nafte sa njegovih teritorija, već je i žestoko napala kurdske snage, JEDINE lokalne snage koje se ozbiljno bore protiv Isisa. Turska je oborila i ruski borbeni avion koji je napadao položaje Isisa u Siriji. Slične stvari se događaju i u Saudijskoj Arabiji, ključnoj saveznici SAD-a u regionu (kojoj odgovara rat Isisa protiv šiita), a čak je i Izrael sumnjivo rezervisan u osudi Isisa gubeći se u oportunističkim kalkulacijama o Isisu koji se bori protiv pro-iranskih šiitskih snaga, koje Izrael smatra svojim glavnim neprijateljem.

 

Dogovor između EU i Turske objavljen krajem novembra, da će Turska ograničiti priliv izbeglica u Evropu u zamenu za veliku finansijsku pomoć (za početak tri milijarde evra) besramno je odvratan čin, prava etičko-politička katastrofa. Da li “rat protiv terorizma” treba voditi prihvatanjem turske ucene i nagrađivanjem jednog od glavnih krivaca za uspon Isisa u Siriji? Oportunističko-pragmatično opravdanje tog sporazuma je jasno (podmićivanje Turske kao najbrži način da se zaustavi priliv izbeglica u Evropu), ali će njegove dugoročne posledice biti pogubne.

 

Iz pozadine ove igre interesa, do nas dopire poruka da “totalni rat” protiv Isisa nije ozbiljan – akteri koji ga tobože vode nisu posvećeni tome. Sve je izvesnije da ovde nije reč o sukobu civilizacija (hrišćanski zapad protiv radikalizovanog islama), već o sukobima unutar svake od ove dve strane: na hrišćanskoj je to sukob između Amerike i Rusije, a na muslimanskoj sunita i šiita. Obe strane se pretvaraju da ratuju protiv Isisa, ali čudovišnost Islamske države je samo paravan iza kojeg pljušte udarci namenjeni pravom neprijatelju.

 

 

New Statesman, 09.12.2015.

 

[ultra plasticni]

Zizek bi glat prosao u lokalnim liberalnim i levim krugovima kao teoreticar zavere

[iDemo]

Culi ste i videli vesti. Svi ono kao zbunjeni, gledaju u telefone/tv, konsultuju se ko je i kada 'poslednji put' bio u Lindt kafeu na Martin Place-u. Mislim da su "nashi" clanovi bezbedni al' nisam jos proverio (noskich, G&S i tako dalje). 

 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-15/siege-in-martin-place2c-sydney/5967608

 

Najjace sto je PM iskoristio priliku u prvom obracanju da nesto promrmlja na temu budzeta (to je sad topical) kao i kasnije - na temu "da li ce federalne sluzbe da preuzmu od repulbickih"... Mis'im, iskreno, zabole me...Samo nek' je sto manje lesheva "sa nashe strane" a ostalo me nesto ne tangira.

 

Inace, to mi je omiljen kafic al' vec godinu ipo nisam u tom kraju s poslom (G&S, koliko znam jeste), noskich ne znam sigurno...  

[Hella]

da smo umesto svetog trojstva onomad imali ovakve emo sisice hitler bi bio predsednik sveta

 

In a secret project tied to the overall U.S. campaign against the Islamic State, intelligence officials have spent months mapping out known physical locations of media safe houses where the extremist group’s operatives are compiling, editing and curating raw video and print materials into finished digital propaganda products for dissemination across the Internet.

 

Most of the locations are embedded in heavily residential areas in Syria, Iraq and Libya and are not being targeted by U.S. airstrikes because of Obama administration concerns about civilian casualties, according to sources who spoke to The Washington Times only on the condition of anonymity.

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/14/us-has-mapped-isis-propaganda-centers-but-wont-lau/

 

[bigvlada]

da smo umesto svetog trojstva onomad imali ovakve emo sisice hitler bi bio predsednik sveta

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/gandhis-1940-letter-to-adolf-hitler-2015-4