vememah Posted May 24, 2021 Posted May 24, 2021 Quote Factbox: Who is the journalist Belarus arrested by forcing a Ryanair plane to land? Authorities in Belarus scrambled a fighter jet and flagged what turned out to be a false bomb alert to force a Ryanair plane to land on Sunday and then detained a journalist onboard, Roman Protasevich, drawing criticism from across Europe. Here are some facts about Protasevich, 26. Protasevich last year worked as an editor at the Poland-based Nexta Live channel which is based on the Telegram messenger app and has over 1 million subscribers. The channel, which is openly hostile to Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko, played an important role in broadcasting huge opposition protests against Lukashenko in 2020. Nexta also helped coordinate those same protests, which were sparked by anger over what the opposition said was a rigged presidential election, something Lukashenko denied. The channel's footage, which showed how harshly police cracked down on demonstrators, was used widely by international media at a time when the Belarusian authorities were reluctant to allow foreign media in. Protasevich in November published on Twitter a copy of an official Belarusian list of terrorists on which his name figured. The listing said he was accused of organising mass riots while working at Nexta. He also stands accused of disrupting social order and of inciting social hatred. He regards the allegations, which could see him jailed for years, as unjustified political repression. Protasevich fled Belarus for Poland in 2019 due to pressure from the authorities, according to Media Solidarity, a group that supports Belarusian journalists. He moved his parents to Poland too after they were put under surveillance, he wrote on Twitter. He later relocated to Vilnius, the capital of Lithuania, where opposition leader Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya is also based. Protasevich is currently editor-in-chief of a Belarusian political outlet hosted on the Telegram messaging app called "Belarus of the Brain" which has around a quarter of a million subscribers. He was flying back to Vilnius from Greece where he had spent time taking photographs of a visit there by Tsikhanouskaya. He had posted the pictures to social media before flying back. One passenger on the Ryanair flight that was forced to land told Lithuania’s Delfi news outlet that Protasevich had his head in his hands and was shaking when he realised that his flight had been diverted to Minsk. He reportedly said: ‘I’ll get the death penalty here’ as security forces led him away. https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/who-is-journalist-belarus-arrested-by-forcing-ryanair-plane-land-2021-05-23/
vememah Posted May 24, 2021 Posted May 24, 2021 (edited) Quote Ryanair CEO Michael O'Leary told Irish radio station Newstalk that the forced landing "was a case of state-sponsored hijacking ... state-sponsored piracy" carried out to detain a dissident journalist. O'Leary said his company believed that some Belarusian secret service agents had been on the plane as well. https://www.dw.com/en/belarus-eu-calls-for-international-probe-into-forced-landing-of-ryanair-plane/a-57639025 Edited May 24, 2021 by vememah
vememah Posted May 24, 2021 Posted May 24, 2021 (edited) Quote FR4978 was just 72 kilometers from Vilnius airport (and 30 km from the Lithuanian border), but 183 km from Minsk when it began diverting. https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/ryanair-flight-4978-to-vilnius-forcibly-diverted-to-minsk/ Rajaner se u prvom saopštenju pretvarao da je sve bilo normalno i da je Minsk bio najbliži aerodrom. Nikakvog spominjanja incidenta s KGB-ovim agentima i pratnje miga nije bilo. Dopunili su se tek pre 3 sata nakon što su svi mediji objavili o čemu je reč: Edited May 24, 2021 by vememah
namenski Posted May 24, 2021 Posted May 24, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, iDemo said: Tu je pitanje ko sta meri prema tom 'trendovanju', sve ostalo znamo. Znamo, naravno. A znamo, vidimo da je broj reakcija na otmicu aviona/blogera vec daleko - i na forumu - nadmasio broj reakcija na Gazu, obaska sto su slike raskomadane palestinske dece no-no za nase osetljive receptore. Uzvitlao se gnev pravednicki, samo tako: ali, kudikamo vise i jace nego kad neki bloger udje u neku podobnu ambasadu iz koje ga iznesu u kesama za smece. Jadno je podmetanje hilandaraca koji se na Izraelu i Palestini ne oglasise ni jednom, ali ni casa ne casise da obnove znanja iz pokusaja ubivanja onog ruskog spijuna/prebega, Navaljnog i koga sve ne.... Ali, nije to najjadnije, toga ima onoliko: najjadnije je sto smo kao civilizacija spali na oko za oko princip i pristali na njega, sa sve pristankom na torturu jer - terorizam... Onako, odoka: misli li iko da je jednom drugom, drugacijem Izraelu bio problem da tamo negde pocetkom 60-ih u dalekoj Argentini naprosto na ulici upuca Ajhmana? Da nije bilo mnogo bitnije uhvatiti ga zivog i dovesti pred sud da ga se cuje i vidi jasno i glasno? Uporedi to sa holivudskim hvatanjem Osame sa sve pratecim izivljavanjem i nedostatkom ma i primisli o prekoj, civilizacijski sustinskoj potrebi da ga se dovede pred sud da takodje jasno i glasno, pred svima kaze sta ima? I da je to sustina, bit cele stvari. Farsu sa sudjenjem 1 Sadamu sa sve jos vecom farsom oko procurelihtm snimanja izvrsenja kazne da ne pominjem. Bas kao sto je mnogo isplativije, a i prija samopostovanju zgrazavati se nad sudbinom Ujgura, nego Palestinaca, jer brat Si, a i ta Kina brate... Zapisavali smo, na celu sa silom - Amerikom - od koje se ocekivalo da ih brani osnovne principe na kojima - mislili smo, a i ubedjivali su nas - pociva moderna civilizacija sa sve neprikosnovenim ljudskim pravima, brigom za zivote civila, univerzalnom primenom principa medjunarodnog prava koje ce da vazi za sve. I - kako to vec ide - zajebali su nas, a mi progutali mamac k'o somovi na bucku. Evo, krenula je, na vise mesta lavina tvitova i informacijatm o Ryanair-ovom letu, imacemo do veceras i spisak putnika sa sve krvnom slikom clanova posade ako treba, ali ce biti najvaznije ko je rusoputinoljubitelj, a ko zastupa pravetm vrednosti i brine da nam ne promakne ni jedan jedini optuzujuci detalj... Pod jednim uslovom: da ni slucajno ne zamirise na kritiku najboljeg od najboljih svetova... Naravno da je brkato govno preslo neke granice: ali, nije ihstvar, sustina u tome da ih je preslo - sustina je da ih je samo - do sledece prilike - pomerilo. U svetu u kome je izraelsko ubistvo lika za koga se pretpostavlja da je vazan u iranskom nuklearnom programu 1 poduhvat vredan svakog divljenja nenadjebivom Mosadu: bice da nema - a jao si ga onom ko ne vidi - bitne razlike izmedju tog cina i presretanja civilnog aviona ne bi li se dokopao lika koji... Nece to da valja, nikako. I ni za koga. Edited May 24, 2021 by namenski
x500 Posted May 24, 2021 Posted May 24, 2021 18 hours ago, namenski said: Рекосмо и душу спасисмо, мислим на болдовано... Али, ниси ми - ништа лично - одговорио на питање: које ће од ова 2 дешавања да има јачутм такозвану медијску покривеност и припадајуће згражавање... Твитер је поменут само успут... Bloger je "jaca" tema i imace vecu medisku pokrivenost na Zapadu.
Tsai Posted May 24, 2021 Posted May 24, 2021 Nije stvar u blogeru uopste, zar ne vidite u sta ovo moze da se pretvori? Ladno su prizemljili putnicki avion i potencijalno ugrozili zivote svih putnika. Ko garantuje da u buducnosti nece to raditi ko god pozeli i kad mu se digne bukvalno? Opasan presedan 2
namenski Posted May 24, 2021 Posted May 24, 2021 15 minutes ago, Tsai said: Nije stvar u blogeru uopste, zar ne vidite u sta ovo moze da se pretvori? Ladno su prizemljili putnicki avion i potencijalno ugrozili zivote svih putnika. Ko garantuje da u buducnosti nece to raditi ko god pozeli i kad mu se digne bukvalno? Opasan presedan E, Tsai, Tsai, ne das se ni slusat, ni vodit... 2 hours ago, namenski said: Naravno da je brkato govno preslo neke granice: ali, nije ista stvar, sustina u tome da ih je preslo - sustina je da ih je samo - do sledece prilike - pomerilo. U svetu u kome je izraelsko ubistvo lika za koga se pretpostavlja da je vazan u iranskom nuklearnom programu 1 poduhvat vredan svakog divljenja nenadjebivom Mosadu: bice da nema - a jao si ga onom ko ne vidi - bitne razlike izmedju tog cina i presretanja civilnog aviona ne bi li se dokopao lika koji... Nece to da valja, nikako. I ni za koga.
Frile Posted May 24, 2021 Posted May 24, 2021 9 hours ago, aram said: Pitanje je i čemu uopšte služi to merenje, jel to ono "što sad to dok Hilandar gori"? Pa da te ućutka i pride ti nabije osećaj krivice. Stidi se što si uopšte pomislio tako nešto. Deca u Africi gladuju a ti nećeš boraniju. Ćuti i jedi! 1
laser lotus Posted May 24, 2021 Posted May 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Tsai said: Nije stvar u blogeru uopste, zar ne vidite u sta ovo moze da se pretvori? Ladno su prizemljili putnicki avion i potencijalno ugrozili zivote svih putnika. Ko garantuje da u buducnosti nece to raditi ko god pozeli i kad mu se digne bukvalno? Opasan presedan Da, da - presedan. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Achille_Lauro_hijacking&mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop#Interception_of_EgyptAir_jet
jms_uk Posted May 24, 2021 Posted May 24, 2021 Quote FR4978 was just 72 kilometers from Vilnius airport (and 30 km from the Lithuanian border), but 183 km from Minsk when it began diverting. Ovaj let obicno krece da se spusta ka Vilniusu sa krstarece visine ovde negde Belorusi (ATC) su drzali ovaj avion na 39k stopa skoro do same granice.
namenski Posted May 24, 2021 Posted May 24, 2021 Presretanje iz bilo kojih razloga putnickog/komercijalnog aviona i/ili njegovo usmeravanje na drugi aerodrom je rutinski posao bez prakticno ikakve opasnosti po putnike/posadu. Pod uslovom da se posada putnickog aviona ne pravi pametna ili hrabra kao izraelska posada na ElAl letu 1955. godine iz Londona, preko Beca i Istanbula za Tel Aviv kada se izraleski Constellation greskom ili 'greskom' umesto iznad Jugoslavije nasao iznad Bugarske. I kada je izraelski avion, uredno presretnut i kontaktiran upucen na sletanje, pokusao da eskivira i to po svoj prilici u vise navrata pokusavajuci da dobije na vremenu, a da bi se sve zavrsilo na bukvalno nekoliko kilometara od grcke granice i uprkos visestruko ponovljenim bugarskim upozorenjima da se mane mangupiranja. Cena, prava sitnica: 58 ljudi.
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