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1 minute ago, vememah said:

Gde? Na nekom mestu na kome se tvrdi da je Lukašenko ubedljivo pobedio, kao npr. ovde?

 

https://rex-net.livejournal.com/3625600.html

Jeste, tu je uzeta.

Na nju je bio link sa twitera i tu sliku sam odmah i uzeo, a onda sam pronašao izvještaj Golosa preko DW članka.

I u čemu je problem?

Šta ti tu smeta matere ti ?

Fino sam ti dao da se ne mučiš linkove na tekstove, kojima si mogao ublažiti svu duševnu bol koju ti je nanijeo tekst ispod naslova i šta sada bijesniš po forumu?

[vememah]

Da rezimiramo, reč je o izveštaju u kome se u suštini tvrdi da je Lukašenko dvostruko pokrao izbore - i u samim zapisnicima i pri sabiranju zapisnika.

 

Ovde ima dobar pregled na engleskom na koje su sve načine ti izbori neregularni - od zabrane kandidatura najpopularnijih protivnika, preko potpuno kontrolisanih biračkih odbora i nemogućnosti nezavisnog posmatranja do krađe na biračkim mestima i u CIK-u, praktično severnokorejske medije i pritiske na glasače zavisne od državne plate da i ne spominjemo:

http://euromaidanpress.com/2020/08/21/statistics-dont-lie-how-alyaksandr-lukashenka-rigged-the-belarus-presidential-election-exclusive/

 

Raspodela glasova po zvaničnim rezutlatima je potpuno neprirodna i žestoko odstupa od normalne, što se vidi na sledeća dva grafika:

 

 

http://euromaidanpress.com/2020/08/21/statistics-dont-lie-how-alyaksandr-lukashenka-rigged-the-belarus-presidential-election-exclusive/

 

 

https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2020/08/13/86651-vbroshennyy-prezident

 

Ovo su dve urađene procene realnih rezultata:

 

 

http://euromaidanpress.com/2020/08/21/statistics-dont-lie-how-alyaksandr-lukashenka-rigged-the-belarus-presidential-election-exclusive/

https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2020/08/13/86651-vbroshennyy-prezident

Edited August 25, 2020 by vememah

[vememah]

Sajmon Ostrovski (ex Vice) izveštava za PBS iz Minska:

 

 

Edited August 25, 2020 by vememah

[vememah]

 

 

 

 

Pre nedelju dana:

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On August 17, 2020 the pastoral visit of Metropolitan Paul of Minsk and Zaslavsky, Patriarchal Exarch of All Belarus, to the hospital of emergency medical care of Minsk took place.

At present, some of the hospital's patients are people who were injured during the protests that took place early last week. Among them are participants of the rallies, as well as random people. There are also people who were admitted to the hospital with signs of beatings and serious injuries from the temporary detention facility on Okrestin Street. The injured people suffered severe physical and psychological damage.

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Visiting the chambers, Lord Exarch told all the victims that the Belarusian Orthodox Church prays for their speedy recovery, and expressed hope for a fair investigation of the crimes committed during the recent protests.

- Hold on, get well and do not lose heart! - metropolitan Pavel wished the victims.

Patriarch Exarch reminded everyone that the Church, being out of politics, at the same time condemns any violence, stays with all people, shares their pain, empathizes with their suffering, prays for them and their loved ones.

 

http://church.by/news/patriarshij-ekzarh-navestil-ljudej-postradavshih-v-hode-protestnyh-akcij?fbclid=IwAR3R6_1R_1Vk3pNC9_es2CZko4U3Jp_robZVAI5zJpjhmoMI4gKPbOnWnG8

(translation by Deepl)

 

Edited August 25, 2020 by vememah

[vememah]

Tražio nepristrasnu istragu o masovnim premlaćivanjima demonstranata i drugih koje su nahvatali, pa gde to ima u despotijama poput Rusije i Belorusije - smena stiže odmah.

Edited August 25, 2020 by vememah

[vememah]

 

[vememah]

 

Objavljen je snimak kako je beloruski specijalac namerno gumenim metkom 10. avgusta upucao u nogu novinarku nedeljnika Naša Niva, koja je nosila oznaku PRESS. Ona je dve nedelje zbog toga u bolnici.

 

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25.08.2020 / 16:55 
Look at how it was. Spetsnazovets shoots the journalist of "Nasha Niva" Natalia Lubnevskaya from 10 meters

 

Nasha Niva journalist Natalia Lubnevskaya was shot with a rubber bullet on August 10.

 

That evening, dozens of fighters, presumably "Diamond" (an anti-terrorist special unit of the Interior Ministry) appeared on Kalvariyskaya Street in Minsk, where a peaceful protest was taking place. It is in the neighboring yards that the Diamond Base is located.

One of the fighters stopped 10 meters away from the group of journalists wearing blue vests with the inscription "press" and fired a firearm at Natalia.

It was not an accident. As seen in the video, which was in Nasha Niva's possession, the law enforcement officer aimed at the journalist.

 

Attention! At the end of the video, an open wound is shown.

 

For over two weeks, Natalia has been staying in the Emergency Hospital. She underwent surgery and may need another one. It is not known how much time the journalist will have to spend in the hospital.

Natalia Lubnevskaya sent a statement demanding that a criminal case be opened on the fact that she had been injured. The first time the law-enforcement officers took explanations from her on August 12, the second time - on August 21. The editors handed over a video to the investigators, which clearly shows the gunshot.

However, no criminal proceedings have been initiated so far.

"The check-up period was extended for a month," Natalia Lubnevskaya was told in the Frunzensky district branch of the Investigative Committee. And the workers of the State Committee of Forensic Examinations, who examined the wound, said that the final report would be ready only after Natalia was discharged from hospital.

 

Natalia Lubnevskaya. Photo by Vladimir Gridin, "Radio Svaboda".

 

"Nasha Niva" urges law enforcement agencies to approach their duties honestly and responsibly. It is not difficult for law enforcement agencies to identify the person in the video who shot at the journalist, breaking the law, and its solution depends only on the will of the Investigative Committee, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and other law enforcement agencies.

We would be grateful if the public, witnesses, current and former fighters of law enforcement agencies would help to identify this person.

The shooter of peaceful citizens should bear responsibility according to the legislation:

- Exceeding the authority or official powers connected with use of the weapon is punished by imprisonment for the term up to 10 years.
- Intentional infliction of less serious bodily harm, that is the damage which is not dangerous for a life, but has caused long disorder of health for the term up to four months, made in a generally dangerous way, - is punished by imprisonment for the term up to 5 years.
- Obstruction of lawful professional activity of a journalist - is punished by imprisonment for the term of up to 3 years.

 

https://nn.by/?c=ar&i=257859&lang=ru

(translation by Deepl)

[vememah]

Današnje vesti u 17 glavnog nacionalnog državnog kanala Belorusija 1:

 

 

Tizer:

 

 

U jučerašnjim Lukašenska je bilo još više:

 

 

Edited August 26, 2020 by vememah

[Budja]

On 24.8.2020. at 16:10, vememah said:

Rezultati sa tri biračka mesta u istoj školi:

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kSprtBUUtS1vb-W_jc4QJkPkoZPJBWxd/view

 

голоса = glasovi birača koje su sami prijavljivali preko platforme Glas

с фото = glasovi birača koje su sami prijavljivali i poslali fotografije preko platforme Glas

по версии ЦИК = po zvaničnim podacima centralne izborne komicije

 

Vememah, mozes li mi objasniti kako su ovo pouzdani izvori?

Kako se moze znati da su fotografije autenticne?

Kako se moze znati da je prijava za koga se glasalo nekom sajtu pouzdana?

Uopste ne razumem ovu logiku.

 

Na kraju krajeva, kaceni su rezultati sa nekih birackih mesta nalepljeni na vrata, a po kojima se vidi ubedljiva pobeda Tihanovskaje. To znaci da su glasovi  lokalno brojani i da postoje "pravi" zapisnici barem sa nekih mesta.

 

Po ovoj slici, vidi se da postoji pristup zapisnicima po verziji Centralne biracke komisije.

 

Da li je problem uporediti dve verzije zapisnika a ne igrati se slanjem fotki i prijavljivanjem glasanja?

 

 

 

 

[Duhovnost, ljubav i med]

Kod ovog tipa diskusija svaki put mi zasmeta nedostatak ideoloških finesa u objašnjavanju sveta i fenomena. Da je tamo diktatura, sa stanovišta racionalnog sistema, to je jasno, suvišno je to dokazivati na X stranica. Zanimljivije bi bilo razgovarati kako nastaju takvi sistemi.

 

Svi mi Sloveni, još iz prapostojbine verovatno, vučemo iracionalne ideje o državi kao velikoj pravednoj zadruzi (o toj temi peščanikovi autori su napisali baš dosta tekstova) i tu ne treba ići do Svetozara Markovića, Nikole Pašića i Tita, te ideje postoje i u programima modernih stranaka, NDBG (podržavljenje PKB-a) , SZS (društveni PKB kao model za celu Srbiju)  , DJB (univerzalna socijalna zaštita i sistem državnih zadruga u celoj zemlji) - te političke ideje imaju svoju magiju i svoju privlačnost, nekada se čak i ja zaljubim u njih, ali me prođe brzo.

 

Minsk, sa čistim, prostranim trgovima, futurističkom bibliotekom, "skockanim" fabrikama i socijalnom sigurnošću, jeste suštinski diktatura, ali je na neki način i ostvarenje vekovne bajke slovenskog čoveka o državi kao dobro uređenoj zadruzi. Svesti priču o Belorusiji na zlog diktatora je užasna simplifikacija. (Da se ogradim, niti volim Luku, niti volim socijalizam u Slovena, pa ipak trudim se da razumem i one sisteme koje trenutno ne volim, a koji su mi bili privlačni u nezrelijim godinama)

[Luther]

https://www.blic.rs/vesti/politika/samar-lukasenku-srbija-podrzala-deklaraciju-eu-o-belorusiji-a-ovo-su-stvari-koje-je/zqdfwv5

 

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[mackenzie]

 

Vučić je pro-EU diktator valjda je to do sad jaaasnoo!?

[levi]

svaka čast Vučiću

[James Marshall]

Mi smo stvarno specijalci Evrope

[vememah]

I Lukašenko Simu Spasića pukovnika Krivonosova za trku imade.