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[Lezilebovich]

samo da dodam pojašnjenje

 

https://twitter.com/jenanmoussa/status/809517713261555712

Edited December 16, 2016 by Lezilebovich

[Prospero]

Russian Special Forces Seen as Key to Aleppo Victory

Low-profile ground deployments show importance of battle to Kremlin

 

By Thomas Grove

Updated Dec. 16, 2016 6:28 a.m. ET

 

 

MOSCOW—Russian special-operations forces have played a pivotal part in the Syrian ground offensive to retake Aleppo, a role shielded by secrecy about their operations there.

In the wake of Russia’s punishing aerial bombardment, Russian special forces have been operating in Aleppo for almost two months, helping the Syrian army with a focus on targeting rebel leaders in the eastern half of the city, according to two experts on Russia’s military. On Sunday, the weekly state news program Vesti Nedeli offered a rare glimpse of Russians in combat, airing footage of Russian special operators in Syria.

 

“Russian special forces have been in Aleppo for a number of weeks, where they’ve taken on a combat role,” said Ruslan Pukhov, the head of Moscow-based defense think tank CAST.

 

The elite troops are the same forces that carried out Moscow’s surprise annexation of Crimea in 2014. They are modeled on U.S. special-operations units—who also have a presence in Syria.

 

The presence of Russian special forces underscores the strategic importance for the Kremlin to make sure Aleppo is firmly in the hands of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad before the allies seek to restart any negotiations on Syria’s future. Any such talks are unlikely until after President-elect Donald Trump takes office in January, bringing what is expected to be a more friendly U.S. outlook toward Russia.

 

“I don’t see any reason for Russian or Syrian forces to get engaged in any negotiations before [Aleppo] falls and it won’t be with an Obama administration, which is now in lame duck mode,” said Fyodor Lukyanov, head of the Council on Foreign and Defense Policy, which advises the Kremlin.

 

Russia has rarely publicized the presence of their elite troops, preferring to present its involvement in Syria as largely limited to air support. Special forces redeployed to Syria shortly after Russia launched its intervention in 2015. They came from Ukraine, where they were fighting on the side of pro-Russian rebels, according to officials familiar with the matter.

 

Their presence in Syria has since increased. Throughout Syria, Russia’s special forces have been used to add precision to its airstrikes by identifying targets on the ground, said Mr. Pukhov and Tor Bukkvoll, senior researcher at the Norwegian Defence Research Establishment. The number of Russian special forces in Syria is likely in the low hundreds, Mr. Bukkvoll said.

 

The air campaign has drawn criticism from the U.S. for indiscriminately targeting civilians. Russia has dismissed the criticism, saying their operations have strictly targeted terrorist infrastructure.

 

The Russian Defense Ministry says it hasn’t conducted bombing raids inside Aleppo since Oct. 18. The special-operations mission there has been slightly different, Mr. Pukhov said. “They’re being used for various operations, some logistical, some combat, like taking out various rebel leaders in very targeted operations,” he said.

 

The deaths of three Russian military service members near Aleppo last week were a reminder to Russians that the country is playing a boots-on-the-ground role in Syria. Russia says the war has claimed only a handful of Russian casualties; after its wars in Afghanistan and Chechnya, which saw high losses, Moscow is careful to emphasize that its involvement in Syria is limited. Deploying small contingents of elite troops fits that narrative.

 

“Special operations soldiers are the people that are customized to neutralization” of terrorists, the Russian Federation Council Defense and Security Committee Chairman Viktor Ozerov told Interfax on Monday. “This is no military operation. This is a special operation.”

 

The deployment to Syria is also a way for Russian special-operations forces to gain valuable combat experience. Russia’s military has tested higher-end weapons such as the Kalibr cruise missile in Syria.

 

“Russia is using [the Syrian conflict] as an opportunity to test and refine doctrine for these special-operation forces,” said Mr. Bukkvoll, adding that the deployment was likely approved at the highest levels.

 

“Special forces are specifically defined to be a tool in the hands of political leaders,” he said.

 

Russian special-operations forces typically serve high-intensity operational deployments of a few months, a rotation schedule that is modeled on the U.S. military’s elite special-operations teams. The Russians have closely studied the American experience as part of a multibillion-dollar military modernization project that began earlier in the decade.

In 2012, Gen. Nikolai Makarov, then chief of the Russian General Staff, traveled to U.S. Special Operations Command headquarters in Florida to meet with military officials, according to the State Department.

 

The trip was meant to download Americans’ experience with special forces to help Russia create a similar force, an official close to the U.S. military said.

“From the helmets to the kit, they look almost identical,” the official said.

 

Mr. Bukkvoll said the forces in Syria are likely comprised of three groups, including the special forces unit of Russia’s military intelligence; another special-operations unit along the lines of the U.S. Army’s Delta Force; and a unit called zaslon, or “screen,” which gives protection to civilian leaders and diplomatic installations.

 

 

ovo što je autor napisao da su to "iste trupe koje su izvele aneksiju krima" je suštinski netačno. tada nije bilo potrebe za nekakvim specijalnim operacijama i egzekucijama zaštićenih meta, nego je bilo potrebno dovoljno ljudstva da se "pokriju" neki ukrajinski vojni objekti i demonstrira sila po sevastopolju i simferopolju. to su uradile obične jedinice stacionirane na krimu, pre svega 810. brigada mornaričke pešadije iz sevastopolja, 382. samostalni bataljon morske pešadije s kubana (temrjuk) i delovi 7. gardijske padobranske divizije iz novorosijska. to nisu baš "specijalne jedinice", svakako ne u smislu u kojem su bitne u ovom tekstu.

[theanswer]

Poslat je Hezbolah da vadi kestenje iz vatre oko T4 baze.

[Redoran]

ovo što je autor napisao da su to "iste trupe koje su izvele aneksiju krima" je suštinski netačno. tada nije bilo potrebe za nekakvim specijalnim operacijama i egzekucijama zaštićenih meta, nego je bilo potrebno dovoljno ljudstva da se "pokriju" neki ukrajinski vojni objekti i demonstrira sila po sevastopolju i simferopolju. to su uradile obične jedinice stacionirane na krimu, pre svega 810. brigada mornaričke pešadije iz sevastopolja, 382. samostalni bataljon morske pešadije s kubana (temrjuk) i delovi 7. gardijske padobranske divizije iz novorosijska. to nisu baš "specijalne jedinice", svakako ne u smislu u kojem su bitne u ovom tekstu.

 

Пратећи тзв. медије ових дана, човек једино може да закључи да је руски Борг потпуно овладао светом. Две-три чете њихових специјалаца заузимају милионске градове, два-три тима хакера клејмују америчке изборе, а остатак света држе под контролом онако из зезања.

[Dagmar]

Ovi na BBCju izvukli Srebrenicu i drve non-stop o Alepu novoj Srebrenici.

Interesantno da na mestima gde nema ruske intervencije u Jemenu npr ne podležu takvoj drami.

[theanswer]

Ovi na BBCju izvukli Srebrenicu i drve non-stop o Alepu novoj Srebrenici.

Interesantno da na mestima gde nema ruske intervencije u Jemenu npr ne podležu takvoj drami.

 

A tek u Mosulu

[apostata]

Breaking: Syrian Special Forces captured 14 US Coalition officers captured in Aleppo

Mutaz Kanoğlu – Turkey

David Scott Winer – USA

David Shlomo Aram – Israel

Muhamad Tamimi – Qatar

Muhamad Ahmad Assabian – Saudi

Abd-el-Menham Fahd al Harij – Saudi

Islam Salam Ezzahran Al Hajlan – Saudi

Ahmed Ben Naoufel Al Darij – Saudi

Muhamad Hassan Al Sabihi – Saudi

Hamad Fahad Al Dousri – Saudi

Amjad Qassem Al Tiraoui – Jordan

Qassem Saad Al Shamry – Saudi

Ayman Qassem Al Thahalbi – Saudi

Mohamed Ech-Chafihi El Idrissi – Moroccan

 

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/12/17/breaking-syrian-special-forces-captured-14-us-coalition-officers-captured-in-aleppo/

[Lord Protector]

Britanski general lepo kaže da su izgubili rat na terenu:

 

'West has lost the war in Syria but doesn't need to also lose the peace'

 

16 December 2016 11:30AM

The West must accept that the war in Syria is lost, the former head of the British armed forces said as he claimed ministers rejected a plan he had drawn up to oust President Bashar Assad.

Former chief of the defence staff General Lord Richards said there was no political appetite for the year-long campaign which would have been required to defeat Assad when he proposed it in 2012.

The increased involvement of both Vladimir Putin's Russia and Iran meant that the West now had to concentrate on ending the conflict and making sure it had a strategy so it did not also "lose the peace".

"There is no clear strategy in the West, sadly. We are up against someone in Putin and Assad who have a very clear strategy and they are outsmarting us at the moment," he said.

The focus now must be on alleviating the humanitarian disaster and combating Islamic State, rather than supporting the rebels opposed to Assad.

He told the BBC Radio 4 Today programme: "I am afraid we have lost the war, but that does not mean, if we get the right strategy, that we need to lose the peace. I think that's what Western politicians and statesmen must now focus on."

 

The plan was put forward in 2012 and there was another opportunity for action in 2013, but MPs defeated then prime minister David Cameron's attempt to win support for air strikes against Assad's chemical weapons capabilities.

General Lord Richards said: "We offered a credible military strategy that would have taken about a year to execute. We were told we didn't have a year 'so that plan's not very good' and I remember saying at the time 'Well, if you don't want to do this' - which was to do it properly, to be frank, 'with clout and don't dribble' is a very useful military adage - I said 'Well, we had better start thinking about backing Assad because the result of not doing it properly could be the worst of all worlds'."

He said "there was a moment then when we could have dealt with him" but "we have to be pretty grown-up about this and say 'that moment has gone, the conditions on the ground, the political conditions in Syria, have now changed'".

The former military chief said the plan was "well thought-through, but at the time there wasn't any appetite, post-Iraq, for that sort of action".

Now the focus must be on ending the conflict, he said.

"We all are horrified about the humanitarian situation in Syria. If we do not bring this war to a close, that will go on for years yet. I think sometimes Western liberal opinion, and even dare I say me, have been very hypocritical.

"We wring our hands about the humanitarian situation but we have never been prepared to resolve it."

16 December 2016 11:30AM

 

 

Edited December 17, 2016 by slow

[Lord Protector]

Ali britanska obuka "umerenih" se nastavlja i pored faktičkog poraza. Kažu da je u pitanju borba protiv ISIS-a: 

 

 

UK troops sent to train anti-Isis rebels 'have arrived in Syria'

Defence secretary to announce that force of 20 will join 500 infantry stationed in country with aim of inflicting ‘decisive blow’ on terror group

 

The British defence secretary, Sir Michael Fallon, is to announce that UK forces have arrived in the Middle East to help train moderate Syrian rebels engaged in the fight against Islamic State. Fallon is hosting a conference in London of defence ministers from the 67-member US-led coalition against Isis, and the defence secretary is keen to talk up the British contribution.

The conference is being held to discuss the next phase of the campaign against Isis as the group is squeezed in its Syrian headquarters in Raqqa and in its Iraqi headquarters in Mosul.

 

At a similar conference in Paris in October, Fallon announced that the UK would send about 20 trainers to help Syrian moderates with basic infantry skills, frontline medical treatment and identification of hidden explosive devices. His announcement on Thursday confirmed of their arrival.

In a statement before today’s meeting the defence secretary said: “Daesh [the government’s name for Isis] is being taken on in eastern Mosul. Last week we opened up a second front around Raqqa. Daesh is losing ground, finance and fighters … In 2017, we must maintain momentum to deal these terrorists a decisive blow.”

In spite of the push on Mosul and Raqqa, Isis fighters managed a success this week, temporarily retaking Palmyra in Syria, a development that highlighted how overstretched the forces of the Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad, have become. Most of Palmyra has since been reported to have been retaken. The Iraqi army’s push on Mosul has also recently stalled in the face of strong Isis resistance.

The UK already has a modest force of 500 infantry in Iraq to help train the Iraqi army. The Ministry of Defence says British troops have trained more than 31,000 Iraqi and Kurdish fighters.

The extra 20 trainers have been sent specifically to train Syrian groups, a controversial issue in the past, given the difficulty of distinguishing “moderate” rebels from more extreme groups. Fallon stressed in October that they would be thoroughly vetted to ensure that the UK was not training Islamist factions.

The US has special forces on the ground in Syria helping Kurdish troops and Syrian rebels who have surrounded Raqqa. Officially the UK has no troops in Syria, though some are known to have gone at least on reconnaissance trips. 

The Syrian Democratic Forces, classified by the UK as moderates, said they had started a new phase of an operation to isolate Raqqa with the help of the airstrikes from the US-led coalition, which has carried out 300 raids since November. About 70% of UK airstrikes since June have been in support of the Iraqi army and Kurdish fighters trying to retake Mosul.

Fallon will also announce that the UK is to send more intelligence specialists to help sift through the thousands of documents expected to be seized as Mosul and Raqqa fall, in the hope of learning more about the internal structures of Isis, any planned overseas terrorist plots and the identities of financiers.

The fall of Manbij in Syria earlier this year provided the US-led coalition with a trove of documents that allegedly pointed to plots in Europe, though not specifically against the UK.

The conference in London marks the last visit to the UK by Ash Carter in his capacity of US defence secretary before the Trump administration takes over on 20 January.

 

 

Edited December 17, 2016 by slow

[theanswer]

Evo kako završavaju busevi koji treba da uđu po principu Alepa u šiitske enklave u provinciji Idlib

 

 

Šta bi bilo na cnn-u da se ovo desilo na drugoj strani. I onda nemoj da se raduješ porazu džihadista.

[Lord Protector]

[Geo]

 

Ocekujem vanredni program na cnn-u i bbc-u ...  Erajzer specijalni gost 100%

Edited December 18, 2016 by Geo

[Eraserhead]

 

Ocekujem vanredni program na cnn-u i bbc-u ... Erajzer specijalni gost 100%

Kakva briga za civile odjednom.

[Geo]

Kakva briga za civile odjednom.

Nije odjednom , stari si ti borac za demokratiju i prave vrednosti...

[borris_]

Cekajte jos malo. Le Monde kaze da se jos ne zna ko je napao autobuse. France Info kaze da su autobusi napadnuti ali vijest je postavljena kao da ih je SAA napala. Umjereni kazu da su se Asadovi agenti uvukli u demonstrante koji su napali autobuse.

Znace se valjda sutra.

Edited December 18, 2016 by borris_