Zaz_pi Posted January 20, 2014 Posted January 20, 2014 -UN: Iran invited to attend Syrian peace conference-Saudi Arabia Rejects Iran’s Participation in Geneva-II-Under U.S. Pressure, U.N. Withdraws Iran’s Invitation to Syria Talks
Zaz_pi Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 Syria's opposition split over peace talks after Iran excluded :ziga:
Bane5 Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 da ne bude zabune, njihovo razmimoilazenje nema bas nikakve veze sa iranom tj. ucestvovanjem irana na pregovorima.
Prospero Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 Syria crisis: evidence of 'industrial-scale killing' by regime spurs call for war crimes chargesSenior war crimes prosecutors say photographs and documents provide 'clear evidence' of systematic killing of 11,000 detaineesIan Black, Middle East editor The Guardian, Tuesday 21 January 2014Calls for Assad or other officials to face justice at the international criminal court in The Hague have foundered on the problem that Syria is not a member of the court. Photograph: ReutersSyrian government officials could face war crimes charges in the light of a huge cache of evidence smuggled out of the country showing the "systematic killing" of about 11,000 detainees, according to three eminent international lawyers.The three, former prosecutors at the criminal tribunals for the former Yugoslavia and Sierra Leone, examined thousands of Syrian government photographs and files recording deaths in the custody of regime security forces from March 2011 to last August.Most of the victims were young men and many corpses were emaciated, bloodstained and bore signs of torture. Some had no eyes; others showed signs of strangulation or electrocution.The UN and independent human rights groups have documented abuses by both Bashar al-Assad's government and rebels, but experts say this evidence is more detailed and on a far larger scale than anything else that has yet emerged from the 34-month crisis.The three lawyers interviewed the source, a military policeman who worked secretly with a Syrian opposition group and later defected and fled the country. In three sessions in the last 10 days they found him credible and truthful and his account "most compelling".They put all evidence under rigorous scrutiny, says their report, which has been obtained by the Guardian and CNN.The authors are Sir Desmond de Silva QC, former chief prosecutor of the special court for Sierra Leone, Sir Geoffrey Nice QC, the former lead prosecutor of former Yugoslavian president Slobodan Milosevic, and Professor David Crane, who indicted President Charles Taylor of Liberia at the Sierra Leone court.The defector, who for security reasons is identified only as Caesar, was a photographer with the Syrian military police. He smuggled the images out of the country on memory sticks to a contact in the Syrian National Movement, which is supported by the Gulf state of Qatar. Qatar, which has financed and armed rebel groups, has called for the overthrow of Assad and demanded his prosecution.The 31-page report, which was commissioned by a leading firm of London solicitors acting for Qatar, is being made available to the UN, governments and human rights groups. Its publication appears deliberately timed to coincide with this week's UN-organised Geneva II peace conference, which is designed to negotiate a way out of the Syrian crisis by creating a transitional government.Caesar told the investigators his job was "taking pictures of killed detainees". He did not claim to have witnessed executions or torture. But he did describe a highly bureaucratic system."The procedure was that when detainees were killed at their places of detention their bodies would be taken to a military hospital to which he would be sent with a doctor and a member of the judiciary, Caesar's function being to photograph the corpses … There could be as many as 50 bodies a day to photograph which require 15 to 30 minutes of work per corpse," the report says."The reason for photographing executed persons was twofold. First to permit a death certificate to be produced without families requiring to see the body, thereby avoiding the authorities having to give a truthful account of their deaths; second to confirm that orders to execute individuals had been carried out."Families were told that the cause of death was either a "heart attack" or "breathing problems", it added. "The procedure for documentation was that when a detainee was killed each body was given a reference number which related to that branch of the security service responsible for his detention and death."When the corpse was taken to the military hospital it was given a further number so as to document, falsely, that death had occurred in the hospital. Once the bodies were photographed, they were taken for burial in a rural area."Three experienced forensic science experts examined and authenticated samples of 55,000 digital images, comprising about 11,000 victims. "Overall there was evidence that a significant number of the deceased were emaciated and a significant minority had been bound and/or beaten with rod-like objects," the report says."In only a minority of the cases … could a convincing injury that would account for death be seen, but any fatal injury to the back of the body would not be represented in the images …"The forensics team make clear that there are many ways in which an individual may be killed with minimal or even absent external evidence of the mechanism."The inquiry team said it was satisfied there was "clear evidence, capable of being believed by a tribunal of fact in a court of law, of systematic torture and killing of detained persons by the agents of the Syrian government. It would support findings of crimes against humanity and could also support findings of war crimes against the current Syrian regime."De Silva told the Guardian that the evidence "documented industrial-scale killing". He added: "This is a smoking gun of a kind we didn't have before. It makes a very strong case indeed."Calls for Assad or others to face justice at the international criminal court in The Hague have foundered on the problems that Syria is not a member of the court, and that the required referral by the UN security council might not be supported by the US and UK or would be blocked by Russia, Syria's close ally.Nice said: "It would not necessarily be possible to track back with any degree of certainty to the head of state. Ultimately, in any war crimes trial you can imagine a prosecutor arguing that the overall quantity of evidence meant that the pattern of behaviour would have been approved at a high level."But whether you can go beyond that and say it must be head of state-approved is rather more difficult. But 'widespread and systematic' does betoken government control."Crane said: "Now we have direct evidence of what was happening to people who had disappeared. This is the first provable, direct evidence of what has happened to at least 11,000 human beings who have been tortured and executed and apparently disposed of."This is amazing. This is the type of evidence a prosecutor looks for and hopes for. We have pictures, with numbers that marry up with papers with identical numbers – official governmentdocuments. We have the person who took those pictures. That's beyond-reasonable-doubt-type evidence."A US administration official told the Guardian on Monday: "We stand with the rest of the world in horror at these images which have come to light. We condemn in the strongest possible terms the actions of the regime and call on it to adhere to international obligations with respect to the treatment of prisoners."We have long spoken out about mistreatment and deteriorating prison conditions in Syria. These latest reports, and the photographs that support them, demonstrate just how far the regime is willing to go to not only deny freedom and dignity to the Syrian people, but to inflict significant emotional and physical pain in the process. To be sure, these reports suggest widespread and apparently systematic violations of international humanitarian law."The regime has the ability to improve the atmosphere for negotiations in Geneva by making progress in several areas. However, this latest report of horrific and inhumane prison conditions/actions further underscores that if anything, it is tarnishing the environment for the talks."As we have for over two years, and again today, we call on the Syrian government to grant immediate and unfettered access to all their detention facilities by international documentation bodies, including the UN Commission of Inquiry on Syria."We have long said that those responsible for atrocities in Syria must be held accountable for their gross violations of human rights. The United States continues to support efforts to promote accountability and transitional justice, and we call on the international community to do the same."William Hague, the UK foreign secretary, said: "This report offers further evidence of the systematic violence and brutality being visited upon the people of Syria by the Assad regime. We will continue to press for action on all human rights violations in Syria, and for accountability for those who perpetrate them."Nadim Houry of Human Rights Watch said his organisation had not had the opportunity to authenticate the images. But he added: "We have documented repeatedly how Syria's security services regularly torture – sometimes to death – detainees in their custody."These photos – if authentic – suggest that we may have only scratched the surface of the horrific extent of torture in Syria's notorious dungeons. There is only one way to get to the bottom of this and that is for the negotiating parties at Geneva II to grant unhindered access to Syria's detention facilities to independent monitors." i izveštaj u pdfu.pakuju mu optužnicu, do koske, ili mu samo prete kako bi bio kooperativan i pristao na neku vrstu tranzicione vlade?
расејан Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 pakuju mu optužnicu, do koske, ili mu samo prete kako bi bio kooperativan i pristao na neku vrstu tranzicione vlade?Обично кад видим да је кандидат за неомиљеног председника на списку за паковање, само чекам да видим које ђубре ће да инсталишу уместо њега. Пази, Енглези, који за последњих 400 година објављују истину само онолико и кад им баш одговара.Него, бисте ли ви познаваоци могли да за нас са јефтинијим улазницама сложите састав тимова? Тј ко је на чијој страни, ко је против кога, ко коме чува леђа, дотура џебану, ко код којих комшија има логоре/таборе/кампусе за обуку итд. Јер кад год свратим на овај топић, скроз се загубим, не знам који су наши који су њихови.
Prospero Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 takvih poznavalaca nema nigde, čak ni u Ženevi (II) :D
Budja Posted January 21, 2014 Author Posted January 21, 2014 i izveštaj u pdfu.pakuju mu optužnicu, do koske, ili mu samo prete kako bi bio kooperativan i pristao na neku vrstu tranzicione vlade?Pregovaracki pritisak.Nista ozbiljno, rekao bih, mali pokusaj da se ojaca opozicija koja je, cini mi se, u slabijoj poziciji.
Bane5 Posted January 21, 2014 Posted January 21, 2014 (edited) u siriji nema jake ili slabe pozicije. moguce je imati samo jacu ili slabiju poziciju kad su saveznici u svetu u pitanju.ni posle tri godine situacija se sustinski nije promenila.niti asad moze da pobedi, niti to mogu pobunjenici.ovaj 'slucaj' sa obelodanjivanjem novih 'dokaza', navodnih zlocina je gotovo nebitan nakon svega sto se u siriji desavalo sve ovo vreme (od sistematskog unistavanja gradova i ubijanja civila do bojnih otrova).pitanje oko pregovora u zenevi nije da li ce uspeti vec kako ce propasti tj. sta ce se uzeti kao izgovor. Edited January 21, 2014 by Bane5
Roger Sanchez Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kOOmbNy1quQ
bergasa19 Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Него, бисте ли ви познаваоци могли да за нас са јефтинијим улазницама сложите састав тимова? Тј ко је на чијој страни, ко је против кога, ко коме чува леђа, дотура џебану, ко код којих комшија има логоре/таборе/кампусе за обуку итд. Јер кад год свратим на овај топић, скроз се загубим, не знам који су наши који су њихови.Solidan pregled.
Gandalf Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Solidan pregled. sazetak: da nema NATO imperijalistickih zlikovaca, ne bi bilo rata. nikad. nigde.
bergasa19 Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Sazetak: počinje velikim slovom i završava se tačkom.
Bane5 Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 ovaj tekst je bez problema mogao da potpise i lazanski. razlike nema. da su pomenute saudisjka arabija, turska i avganistan mogao je da ga potpise i Zaz_pi.
bergasa19 Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Ovaj tekst moraš da čitaš iz hrvatske vizure. I ovo je kritika s leva.
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