Marš ide ka mostu 15. maj.Sekularisti se pridružuju protestima, navodno cepaju Morsijeve slike i govore da je ovaj put to radi demokratije, a ne MB.U pičku materinu. Agence France-Presse ‏@AFP15m#BREAKING Police kill four pro-Morsi protesters in Egypt canal city: security

Edited August 16, 201311 yr by MayDay

Tvitovi o sekularistima koji se pridružuju protestu stižu sa svih strana ali ja ih ne bih uzimao kao previše verodostojne jer dolaze od istih likova koji pričaju o milionima ljudi koji miroljubivo hrle ka Ramsesu. Imaš i tvitove koji kažu da grupe sekularista pokušavaju da blokiraju kolonu demonstranata na pomenutom mostu, nema šanse da se utvrdi da li je bilo šta od toga verodostojno.Jedino što je sigurno je da su demonstranti danas mnogo manje miroljubivi nego prekjuče, i da će biti potpunog haosa jer MB nemaju nikakav način da kontrolišu masu niti da spreče naoružane grupe da se priključe protestu.

Posle 500+ pobijenih, oni idu ponovo grudima na metke? Ultimativna suicidalna misija?

ti ljudi znaju da nemaju sta da izgube. posle crackdown-a ce svi pripadnici Muslimanske brace i svi ljudi koji su vidjeni na demonstracijama biti izlozeni stalnom policijskom teroru i prismotri, kao za vreme Mubaraka i verovatno mnogo gore nego tada. vraca se vreme crnih pezoa (udbasko vozilo Mubarakove ere). dodju po coveka i vrate ga promenjenog.

Edited August 16, 201311 yr by Marko M. Dabovic

  On 16. 8. 2013. at 12:56, Indy said:

Posle 500+ pobijenih, oni idu ponovo grudima na metke? Ultimativna suicidalna misija?

Računam da su ozbiljno besni zbog onog u sredu, a možda čak i ozbiljno veruju u nešto bolje od vojnopolicijske države. U svakom slučaju, treba imati hrabrosti pa izaći na protest jer evo, vojska ih je opkolila na Ramsesu i na mostu. U džamiji na Ramzesu je postavljena poljska bolnica, mrtvi i ranjeni već pristižu, apeluje se na doktore da hitno dođu ako su u mogućnosti. Edit: evo jedne izjave koju su pokupili britanski novinari, valjda nije izmišljenaSara Ahmed, 28, a business manager, joining a march of thousands of demonstrators heading downtown from northeast Cairo tells Reuters:Sooner or later I will die. Better to die for my rights than in my bed. Guns don't scare us anymore.It's not about the Brotherhood, it's about human rights.

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Mosa'ab Elshamy ‏@mosaaberizing 6m Non-stop firing. Protesters on the bridge making barricades. Smoke covering Ramses square.Mosa'ab Elshamy ‏@mosaaberizing 26m Gruesome clashes near the police station. Lots of dead being carried away.

Zna li neko čija je ovo zastava (žuta sa lobanjom)? Kažu da je nose ovi što napadaju policijske stanice.

Sad se samo nadam da su se obicni ljudi (koji su verovali u tzv. drzavni monopol sile) na vreme naoruzali jer su kriminalci, ekstremisti, policija i vojska spremni za ovo sto sledi kao i u Siriji.

Ja se nadam da imaju gde da pobegnu.

Pa to je najbolje ali velika vecina sada kao i u Siriji nece imati gde da pobegne - posebno ne ovi siromasniji.

Ja se nekako i dalje nadam da ce se nekim cudom doci do nekakvog resenja koje ne ukljucuje gradjanski rat u zemlji od 85 miliona ljudi

Pa, isti nemaju pare za neko efektivno oruzje, tako da u svakom slucaju treba da se klone mesta gde se puca na narod. Mozda treba da se drze zajedno sa srpskim turistima koji se tamo provode (sarkazam).

  On 16. 8. 2013. at 9:01, buffalo bill said:

EU diplomat: Egyptian army rejected peace plan15.08.13 @ 09:19By Andrew Rettman...

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Egyptian Military Backed Out Of Prisoner-Release Deal That Could Have Averted Killings: SourcesPosted: 08/15/2013 3:22 pm EDT | Updated: 08/15/2013 5:38 pm EDT CAIRO -- A week before the Egyptian government ordered Wednesday's deadly clearing of two Muslim Brotherhood protest camps, military leaders and the Brotherhood very nearly came to an agreement that involved a prisoner release and other measures that might have averted the catastrophe, The Huffington Post has learned.The notion of such a plan, mediated by a handful of diplomats from the U.S. and Europe -- including U.S. Deputy Secretary of State William Burns and EU Special Representative Bernardino Leon -- was first reported on Wednesday by Reuters. HuffPost has learned that the terms of the proposed deal would have seen the Muslim Brotherhood reduce the size of their protest camps by half, and the military release two notable prisoners: Saad El-Katatni, the chairman of the Brotherhood's political party who was arrested during the military takeover in July, and Abou Elela Mady, the chairman of the Islamist al-Wasat Party who was locked up in the aftermath.Brotherhood leaders had agreed in principle to the plan, but in the end the military-backed government declined to take part, sources say."The deal fell apart last week, and that's when diplomatic mediators realized that the storming of the camps was probably inevitable," an outside adviser familiar with the negotiations said on Thursday. "Would the deal have worked in the end? I don't know, but the sides were definitely participating in the mediation efforts."

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Leon, the EU envoy, had told Reuters, "We had a political plan that was on the table, that had been accepted by the other side" -- meaning the Muslim Brotherhood. "[The military] could have taken this option. So all that has happened today was unnecessary."On Wednesday, the Egyptian leadership surprised most of the country when they ordered a forceful evacuation of the two Brotherhood protest camps, outside the Rabaa al-Adawiya mosque and in Nahda Square -- something they had been threatening to do for weeks. The ensuing violence there was staggering and has led to further unrest elsewhere in the country. The Egyptian ministry of health has put the death toll so far at 638 people.For weeks ahead of the clearings, diplomats from the U.S. and E.U. nations had worked hard to bring the Egyptian military and the Brotherhood into some sort of political agreement that might avert such a disaster. Both sides have proven difficult to move from their publicly stated positions, with the Brotherhood demanding the complete reinstatement of Mohammed Morsi's elected government, and the military demanding an end to all sit-ins and offering few if any concessions.Burns, who arrived in Cairo at the beginning of August, worked closely with Leon and his boss, EU High Representative Catherine Ashton, to prevent the military from taking action before the close of the Ramadan holiday, as had been threatened. When the end of the Islamic holy month came and went without an intervention at the sit-ins, American officials believed they saw a chance for a breakthrough, and on Monday, Aug. 5, Burns extended his stay in Cairo "indefinitely." Then two days later, he left the country, while the Egyptian government declared that negotiations had failed.In a joint statement released that Aug. 7 night, Ashton and Secretary of State John Kerry urged the two sides in Egypt to pursue several "confidence building measures" in the near future, including ending incitement in the media, "beginning the process of releasing detained political figures," and taking "steps to scale down and ease tensions" at the protest sites. Each of those items, HuffPost was told, were steps to which the Muslim Brotherhood negotiating committee had previously committed.An Egyptian military spokesman could not be reached on Thursday, but in the Reuters story, an unnamed military official said that the military declined to make the deal because they did not believe the Brotherhood would actually follow through. A spokesman for the Brotherhood did not respond to a request for comment.One day before the talks fell apart, visiting U.S. Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), had sparked a furious outcry among the Egyptian leadership and public, when they announced at a press conference that they believed the July military takeover was a coup. "If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s a duck," McCain said at the time.An Egyptian military source told Reuters that the press conference had been a turning point, making it harder for the military to make concessions. A U.S. official, who declined to be identified by name, added to this, telling HuffPost Thursday that McCain and Graham's remarks had "muddied the waters.""At a sensitive time when the U.S. government was going to great lengths to make its position clear in Egypt, having conflicting messages coming out on the ground there from two different branches of the U.S. government was frustrating and problematic," the official said.Both the Egyptian military and the Obama administration, of course, have reasons to seek to direct the focus of the failed talks away from themselves and onto a third party, such as a pair of visiting Republican senators. An aide to McCain, speaking on the condition of anonymity, called the claims "total garbage."Marie Harf, a spokeswoman for the U.S. State Department, declined on Thursday to comment on the possibility of a military-Brotherhood deal or on the role played by Sens. McCain and Graham. "We provided constructive ideas and left them on the table during conversations our senior diplomats had in Cairo recently," she said. "Despite the deplorable violence we've seen over the past day, we still believe the time for dialogue has not passed. The United States remains ready to work with all of the parties in Egypt to help achieve a peaceful, democratic way forward."In a blog post published on a personal page on Thursday, Sweden's foreign minister, Carl Bildt, discussed the failure of the talks in Egypt last week and said the "openings for dialogue" came "mainly from the Muslim Brotherhood's side." A "precondition" for the talks, Bildt added, was that the imprisoned political leaders who would conduct the talks be released.President Barack Obama condemned the violence on all sides in Egypt, releasing a statement Thursday from his vacation on Martha's Vineyard. He also alluded to disappointment that negotiation efforts had failed to reach a compromise, seeming to suggest that the military-backed government may bear the preponderance of the blame."After the military's intervention several weeks ago, there remained a chance for reconciliation and an opportunity to pursue a democratic path," Obama said. "Instead, we've seen a more dangerous path taken through arbitrary arrests, a broad crackdown on [the Muslim Brotherhood's] associations and supporters, and now, tragically, violence that's taken the lives of hundreds of people and wounded thousands more."

Urednik BBC za Bliski Istok Jeremy Bowden šalje fotografije mrtvih iz džamije na Ramsesu. Sve isto kao u sredu.Izgleda da je i Robert Fisk tamo.

  On 16. 8. 2013. at 13:41, Indy said:

Pa, isti nemaju pare za neko efektivno oruzje, tako da u svakom slucaju treba da se klone mesta gde se puca na narod. Mozda treba da se drze zajedno sa srpskim turistima koji se tamo provode (sarkazam).

Ti srpski turisti u Egiptu su nešto najodvratnije što se pojavilo u medijima od kako je počelo sve ovo. Malo su nas bombardovali.