Jozef K. Posted July 2, 2013 Posted July 2, 2013 Niš ne shvatam. Šta je to što nije jasno. Ne postoji narod n Tahriru sa raspoloženjem da su nezadovoljni Mursijem' Nije jasno kako je se dogodio protest pre dve godine u Tunisu, pa Egiptu? Kakva li je zavera bila 1989.g po istočnom bloku?
Indy Posted July 2, 2013 Posted July 2, 2013 Pa, jasno je meni da ti nista ne shvatas. Npr. to da se nezadovoljstvo dela naroda i postojanje zakulisnih radnji, ili ako volis "zavere", u tzv. obaranju tzv. diktatora (ili igranje sa obe strane terena) uopste medjusobno ne iskljucuju.
savindan Posted July 2, 2013 Posted July 2, 2013 (edited) Питање је колико је заправо војска у Египту уопште и препуштала власт а колико се једноставно повукла у други план и допустила МБ да се играју државне политике. Овим је само обзнанила оно је, рекао бих, свакодневница египатске политике уназад 60 година. 1953-54: КоВ (граничари) 1954-56: Колегијално тело (којим је вероватно председавала ЊЕ Марко Никезић главом унд брадом када им је преписао чаробни победнички рецепт) 1956-70: КоВ (пешадија) 1970-81: КоВ (везисти) 1981-2011: РВ и ПВО (пилоти)Ценим да је крајње време за кандидата из Морнарице, ето могао би неки ронилачки херој из рата с брдом ордења да наследи Moржија... ценим да би то било у духу партијског либерализма друга Никезића. Не би било на одмет питати другарицу Латинку за мишљење... Edited July 2, 2013 by savindan
Jozef K. Posted July 2, 2013 Posted July 2, 2013 To rade da zavaraju tragove. Nego main stream mediji otkrivaju da ustvari Amerika ruši svog saveznika.
borris_ Posted July 3, 2013 Posted July 3, 2013 (edited) Moze li neko da razjasni ovu sliku:Ovo je slika sa trga Tahrir u Kairu. Na slici su tri zastave: Egipatska, Jemenska i Sirijska. Interesantno je da je Sirijska zastava crvena bijela crna a ne zelena bijela crna kao kod opozicije. Moguce je da i opozicija zeli da saccuva istu zastavu a ne da je mjenja kao u Libiji. Edited July 3, 2013 by borris_
Muwan Posted July 3, 2013 Posted July 3, 2013 (edited) El Baradei "asked that the army protect the lives of Egyptians after Morsy lost his mind and instigated bloodshed.”Erm, može biti da je hoax ali Sky News Arabia navodno javlja da je vojska ušla u zgradu državne televizije.Edit: morsitimer.com Edited July 3, 2013 by beowl
Roger Sanchez Posted July 3, 2013 Posted July 3, 2013 Office of the Assistant to the President on Foreign Relations & International Cooperation___________________________________________________________For Immediate Release, July 3, 2013As I write these lines I am fully aware that these may be the last lines I get to post on this page.For the sake of Egypt and for historical accuracy, let’s call what is happening by its real name: Military coup.It has been two and a half years after a popular revolution against a dictatorship that had strangled and drained Egypt for 30 years.That revolution restored a sense of hope and fired up Egyptians’ dreams of a future in which they could claim for themselves the same dignity that is every human being’s birthright.On Januray 25 I stood in Tahrir square. My children stood in protest in Cairo and Alexandria. We stood ready to sacrifice for this revolution. When we did that, we did not support a revolution of elites. And we did not support a conditional democracy. We stood, and we still stand, for a very simple idea: given freedom, we Egyptians can build institutions that allow us to promote and choose among all the different visions for the country. We quickly discovered that almost none of the other actors were willing to extend that idea to include us.You have heard much during the past 30 months about ikhwan excluding all others. I will not try to convince you otherwise today. Perhaps there will come a day when honest academics have the courage to examine the record.Today only one thing matters. In this day and age no military coup can succeed in the face of sizeable popular force without considerable bloodshed. Who among you is ready to shoulder that blame?I am fully aware of the Egyptian media that has already attempted to frame ikhwan for every act of violence that has taken place in Egypt since January 2011. I am sure that you are tempted to believe this. But it will not be easy.There are still people in Egypt who believe in their right to make a democratic choice. Hundreds of thousands of them have gathered in support of democracy and the Presidency. And they will not leave in the face of this attack. To move them, there will have to be violence. It will either come from the army, the police, or the hired mercenaries. Either way there will be considerable bloodshed. And the message will resonate throughout the Muslim World loud and clear: democracy is not for Muslims.I do not need to explain in detail the worldwide catastrophic ramifications of this message. In the last week there has been every attempt to issue a counter narrative that this is just scaremongering and that the crushing of Egypt’s nascent democracy can be managed. We no longer have the time to engage in frivolous academic back and forth. The audience that reads this page understands the price that the world continues to pay for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Egypt is neither Afghanistan nor Iraq. Its symbolic weight and resulting impact is far more significant. Last night, demonstrators at Cairo University supporting the President were fired upon using automatic weapons. Twenty people died and hunderds were injured.There are people in Egypt and around the world that continue to try to justify the calls for early presidential elections because of the large numbers of demonstrators and the validity of their grievances.Let me be very clear. The protesters represent a wide spectrum of Egyptians and many of them have genuine, valid grievances. President Morsy’s approval rating is down.Now let me be equally clear. Since January and again in the last couple of weeks the President has repeatedly called for national dialog. Equally repeatedly, the opposition refused to participate. Increasingly, the so-called liberals of Egypt escalated a rhetoric inviting the military to become the custodians of government in Egypt. The opposition has steadfastly declined every option that entails a return to the ballot box.Yesterday, the President received an initiative from an alliance of parties supporting constitutional legitimacy. He discussed it with the Prime Minister and the Minister of Defense and all three of them agreed that it presented an excellent path for Egypt out of its current impasse. The initiative called for a full change of cabinet, a prime minister acceptable to all, changing the public prosecutor, agreement on constitutional amendments, and a reconciliation commission.And let us also be clear. The President did not have to offer all these concessions. In a democracy, there are simple consequences for the situation we see in Egypt: the President loses the next election or his party gets penalized in the upcoming parliamentary elections. Anything else is mob rule.In the last year we have been castigated by foreign governments, foreign media, and rights groups whenever our reforms in the areas of rights and freedoms did not keep pace with the ambitions of some or adhere exactly to the forms used in other cultures. The silence of all of those voices with an impending military coup is hypocritical and that hypocrisy will not be lost on a large swathe of Egyptians, Arabs and Muslims.Many have seen fit in these last months to lecture us on how democracy is more than just the ballot box. That may indeed be true. But what is definitely true is that there is no democracy without the ballot box.
Gandalf Posted July 3, 2013 Author Posted July 3, 2013 (edited) heh... jos jednom se potvrdilo da su moderni & sekularni samozvani liberali gola govna (cast izuzecima, poput citiranog fotografa). da sam u Egiptu kojim slucajem, verovatno bih isao rame uz rame sa bradatim budalama koji nose zastave sa šehadetom.Mosa'ab Elshamy @mosaaberizingOpposition figures who rushed to meet head of military but boycotted presidential invitations for months are as filthy as the brotherhood. Edited July 3, 2013 by Gandalf
Roger Sanchez Posted July 3, 2013 Posted July 3, 2013 (edited) heh... jos jednom se potvrdilo da su moderni & sekularni samozvani liberali gola govna (cast izuzecima, poput citiranog fotografa). da sam u Egiptu kojim slucajem, verovatno bih isao rame uz rame sa bradatim budalama koji nose zastave sa šehadetom.Mosa'ab Elshamy @mosaaberizingOpposition figures who rushed to meet head of military but boycotted presidential invitations for months are as filthy as the brotherhood.Sretali su se oni s njim ali im nije ponudio ništa. Vojska im nudi sve. Vlast. S kim bi se ti radije sreo i zadržao se u razgovoru ugodnom? :fantom:Btw. Mursi je imenovao Sisija. Sad ispada da mu je feldmaršalisimus Tantawi držao pištolj u ustima kad je to potpisivao, ne?edit: Obznana Armije je na redu za par minuta Edited July 3, 2013 by Roger Sanchez
Gandalf Posted July 3, 2013 Author Posted July 3, 2013 (edited) Sretali su se oni s njim ali im nije ponudio ništa. Vojska im nudi sve. Vlast. S kim bi se ti radije sreo i zadržao se u razgovoru ugodnom? ako je samo do osvajanja vlasti, ok. ali da se onda manemo price o ljudskim pravima, demokratiji, liberalizmu, i slicnim budalastinama.MBraca su proteklih dve godine rada radili ono sto se i dalo ocekivati da rade religiozni konzervativci. pri tome, bili su znatno manje sposobni i znatno gluplji nego se mislilo da ce biti, i za to sada placaju debelo (i zasluzeno!). ali, u jednoj stvari su ostali tvrdi - vlast se osvaja i gubi na izborima.a ja licno... ako izgubis na izborima, spremaj se za naredne. Edited July 3, 2013 by Gandalf
Zaz_pi Posted July 3, 2013 Posted July 3, 2013 EGYPT’S MURSI IS DETAINED, TAKEN TO MILITARY HOUSE: ARABIYA
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