rodna ravnopravnost

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Rekoh vec negde da su licna iskustva klizav teren za izvlacenje zakljucka, posebno neobjektivna i iskustva pripradnika povlascenih klasa(slobodno napisi cime ti se bavila tako emancipovana baka). Kako mislis da su vaspitavane devojcice po selima u sfrj u 81? U konzervativno katolickim selima po hrvatskoj, po albanskim na kosovu, po crnoj gori, sumadiji,bosni? Hoces da kacim, popularne serije iz tog perioda, kako su zene predstavljane tada u njima?. Drugo, upitanju je cisto poredjenje, i nisu samo upitanju prava i zakoni, vec procenti ,veci procenat zena sa diplomom fakulteta,vise u politici,vise u vojsci, politici, zene predsednice opstina, poslanice, tada nije ni postojala svest o nasilju o zenama,vise zena u sudstvu, vise zena napusta teske uslove zivota na selu i odlazi(zato se toliko sada kuka kako moraju da uvoze zene iz albanije), vise zena preduzetnika,vise samohranih majki,vise razvoda itd itd. Mislim da imate problem jer zivite u specificnom mehuru, i ne mozete da sagledate siru sliku,i imate pogresu,idealizovanu sliku o vecnisnkom stanovnistvu u sfrj. Samostalnije su i po pitanju seksualnog zivota, koriscenju kontracepcije jer hvala bogu,interent i ostale tehnologije, serije i filmovi i muzika u kojima je zena prikazana mnogo drugacije nego u sfrj it tid

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Yet within areas of study and in the workplace, women were mostly concentrated in traditionally female roles. For instance, “in 1979, 85% of all students in pharmacology were women; in social work, over 87%; and in two-year medical studies, 83%. By contrast, women represented only one-fourth of medical doctors.” There was not true freedom to choose male-dominated areas of study or professions. “The more prestigious and responsible jobs continue to go to men rather than women, despite 40 years of Party criticism of this practice.”

Women were furthermore not highly represented within leadership bodies. To be sure, there were cases of women that held prestigious positions within the Party. A few important names need be mentioned. Firstly, Latinka Perovic, a Serb woman, was Chief Secretary of the Communist Party from 1968-1972. Yet she was removed from office because Tito considered her views too liberal. Similarly, Savka Dabcevic Kucar, a Croat Premier Minister of the Communist Party from 1967–1969, was dismissed by Tito for being too liberal. She became co-leader of the Croatian Spring movement in 1970-1971. Most notably, Milka Planinc, a Croat, was the prime minister of Yugoslavia from 1982-1986. She was the only female to assume a head of government position within the Communist system. Though the cases of these women demonstrate that it was possible for women to reach high positions within the Communist Party, it was by no means commonplace. In fact, Planinc became president “partly in response to criticism from local feminists concerning the continued low representation of women in higher party echelons.” A table representing the low number of women in party leadership positions as late as 1985 is provided on page 7.

In addition to closing off many positions to women in the public realm, Communism closed off many avenues for females in their personal realm. In her book, How We Survived Communism and Even Laughed, Slavenka Drakulic vividly illustrates that for all its idealistic claims, Communism ignored the basic needs of women. “In the seventy years of its existence it couldn’t fulfill the basic needs of half the population,” Drakulic proclaims, as she describes the lack of sanitary napkins or tampons made available to women during the Communist era. “Besides all the hardship of living in Eastern Europe, if they can’t find gauze or absorbent cotton, they (women) have to wash bloody cloth pads every month, again and again, as their mothers and grandmothers and great-grandmothers did hundreds of years ago.” Communism did not transform the lives of women within the basic sphere of hygiene.

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An unfinished revolution: women’s citizenship in post-Yugoslav states

In the 1970s, thirty years after the inscription of women’s rights in the Yugoslav Constitution, the country had undergone a rapid process of modernization and urbanization. Women’s literacy and  access to the labour market had reached unprecedented levels; inequalities in women’s rights had   been reduced enormously compared to the interwar years.[ii]

Yet, women’s full equality was far from realized. In the 1970s and 1980s feminist activists throughout Yugoslavia denounced the failure of the egalitarian policies implemented by socialist authorities, who claimed to have solved the “women’s question” once and for all. Second wave feminists exposed the gap between the formal rhetoric of socialist equality and the gendered discrimination which persisted at the material and symbolic level, notably in the less developed republics of the Federation (Meznarić 1985). They denounced the sexist imagery of the press, as well as the widespread diffusion of domestic violence throughout the country.
http://www.citsee.eu/citsee-story/becoming-citizens-politics-women%E2%80%99s-emancipation-socialist-yugoslavia

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Evo koliko je zena bilo na visokim drzvanim polozajima republike od preko 20 miliona stanovnika,tj preko 11 milona zena je za skoro pola veka imalo cak 28 zena viskih funkcionera, #emancipovano
http://www.guide2womenleaders.com/Socialist_Yugoslavia.htm

Female Presidents

1962-63 President of the Narodna Skubscina and "Head of State" Vida Tomsic, Slovenia
(b.1913-)

1982-ca.90 Member of the Presidency Marija Zvekic-Miskolci, Vojvodina

1985-86 President of the Presidency Ema Derosi-Bjelajac (20.11-10.5), Croatia

1992-95 Member of the Presidency Biljana Plavsic, Bosnia-Herzegovina
1994-96 Vice-President of Srpska
1996-98 President of Srpska

Female Chairpersons of the Executive Council (Premier)

1967-69 Savka Dabcevic-Kucar, Croatia
See below She lived (1923-2009).

1987-89 Kaqusha Jashari, Kosovo
See below

Female Chairpersons of Parliaments

1962-63 Provisional President of Narodna Skubscina Vida Tomsič, Slovenia
1967-69 President of the Vecé Gradjana (Chamber of Citizens) of the Savezna Skupština, Yugoslavia 
1974-78 President of the Narodna Skubscina, Slovenia

1963-67 President of the Chamber of Health and Social Affairs of the Narodna Skubscina Ruza Segedin, Slovenia

1963-67 President of the Chamber of Social Affairs and Health of Savezna Skupština Olga Vrabič, Yugoslavia 

 

In 1967-7 President of the Assembly Milka Planic, Croatia
See below

1967-69 President of the Chamber for Political Organizing of the Narodna Skubscina  Vera Kolaric, Slovenia

1960s President of the Chamber for Social Affairs and Health of the Sobranye Vaska Duganova, Macedonia

1960s President of the Chamber for Social Affairs and Health of the Assembly Milka Pajkovic, Montenegro

1960s President of the Economic Chamber of the Assembly Tankosava Simic, Serbia
1970s President of the Chamber of Health and Social Affairs of the Assembly

1970s President of the Chamber of Education and Culture of the Assembly Drita Dobroshi, Kosova

1984-85 President of the Sobranye Kata Lahtova, Macedonia

1982-88 President of the Narodna Skubscina Silva Jeret, Slovenia

 

Female Secretaries of the Central Committee of the League of Communist

1969-72 Latinka Perovic, Serbia

1969-71 Savka Dabcebic-Kucar, Croatia
See above

1971-82 Milka Planic, Croatia
1982-86 Federal Premier Minister
In 1967-7 President of the Assembly of Croatia (b. 1924-)

1988 Kaqusha Jashari, Kosovo
See above

1989 Milica Pejanovic-Djurisic, Montenegro

[Prospero]

Cenim da radiš neku studiju na temu pa malo razigravaš priču da vidiš šta će ko da kaže....

[nera]

Rekoh vec negde da su licna iskustva klizav teren za izvlacenje zakljucka, posebno neobjektivna i iskustva pripradnika povlascenih klasa(slobodno napisi cime ti se bavila tako emancipovana baka). Kako mislis da su vaspitavane devojcice po selima u sfrj u 81? U konzervativno katolickim selima po hrvatskoj, po albanskim na kosovu, po crnoj gori, sumadiji,bosni? Hoces da kacim, popularne serije iz tog perioda, kako su zene predstavljane tada u njima?. Drugo, upitanju je cisto poredjenje, i nisu samo upitanju prava i zakoni, vec procenti ,veci procenat zena sa diplomom fakulteta,vise u politici,vise u vojsci, politici, zene predsednice opstina, poslanice, tada nije ni postojala svest o nasilju o zenama,vise zena u sudstvu, vise zena napusta teske uslove zivota na selu i odlazi(zato se toliko sada kuka kako moraju da uvoze zene iz albanije), vise zena preduzetnika,vise samohranih majki,vise razvoda itd itd. Mislim da imate problem jer zivite u specificnom mehuru, i ne mozete da sagledate siru sliku,i imate pogresu,idealizovanu sliku o vecnisnkom stanovnistvu u sfrj. Samostalnije su i po pitanju seksualnog zivota, koriscenju kontracepcije jer hvala bogu,interent i ostale tehnologije, serije i filmovi i muzika u kojima je zena prikazana mnogo drugacije nego u sfrj it tid

 

Slobodno cu ti napisati jedna zena domacica i jedna vaspitacica u jaslicama, povlascene my ass :D

I da se odmah razumemo, ja niti ijedno zivo bice zivi u procentima i statistikama tako da mani me brojki, ja ti pricam o stanju na terenu. A stanje na terenu je jako klizavo i klimavo. Da, ima vise zena sa fakultetskim diplomama, i dobar broj tih zena radi poslove ispod svojih kvalifikacija jer prosto u njihovim bransama nema dovoljno mesta. O drustvenim slobodama ne bih ni da pocinjem, od nasilja prema zenama koje je u porastu, preko seksualnih sloboda koje su u opadanju do profesionalne ambicije koja se sve cesce prepoznaje kao problem na putu ostvarenja zene kao majke/supruge/domacice.

O serijama i filmovima nemoj ni da pocinjes, narocito ne o sfrj periodu (kada je generalno pracen globalni trend u svemu). Za ovo sad, SFRJ je etalon ravnopravnosti i emancipovanosti. Mene niko nije ogranicavao tokom odrastanja, u smislu izbora igracaka, garderobe, drustva i generalnih interesovanja, sve je bilo dostupno svima. Sad, u 21. veku, imas situaciju da se do krajnjih granica forsiraju rodne uloge medju decom, odmah mi iskace primer prijatelja kojima je okruzenje isprialo mozak godinama kako im cerka nije normalna i kako treba da je vode kod psihijatra dok je vreme jer voli spajdermena, nosi pantalone i voli da se igra sa decacima.

 

I prestani da ucitavas nedostatak sire slike bilo kome jer ti prvi pises iz jedne jako uske vizure. Mislim, drago mi je da tebi iz muske vizure situacija izgleda ruzicasto ali dozvoli da postoji i drugacije vidjenje.

 

edit: da dodam za emancipovane bake... baka domacica je volela skolu ali je dobila smao osnovno opismenjavanje, morala je da pomaze u radovima. za ono vreme je izvela revoluciju jer nije htela da se uda dok traje rat da ne bi ostala udovica sa decom u tom haosu. druga baka, vaspitacica, takodje samo cetvorogodisnje obrazovanje, radila na duvanskim poljima sa majkom i ostalom decom. njena majka je bila polupismena jer joj nisu dozvolili da ide u skolu u to vreme, cak je dobijala i batine zbog toga.

 

a na kontu batina zbog skole, situacija iz 2012. godine, selo u bespucima srbistana, gde jedna devojcica zeli u srednju skolu, a baba i deda smatraju da je to vec previse jer je vreme da se uda... epilog je da je majka pristala da obeduje batine svakodnevno jer je lose vaspitala cerku u zamenu za dozvolu da mala ipak ode u drugi grad i upise srednju skolu.

Edited July 21, 2015 by nera

[nera]

Cenim da radiš neku studiju na temu pa malo razigravaš priču da vidiš šta će ko da kaže....

 

cenim ako ima potencijal za jednu super izmastanu studiju

[Prospero]

Izmaštanost je u oku recenzenta :D

[belch]

 Kako mislis da su vaspitavane devojcice po selima u sfrj u 81?

wow

ti očigledno ne znaš kako se po selima devojčice danas vaspitaju.

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wow

ti očigledno ne znaš kako se po selima devojčice danas vaspitaju.

Prvo znam,sto iz prve ruke sto istrazivanja. Bolje je nego pre 35 godina. Ili mislis da je u selima vreme stalo? I da, mali svic, pokusaj da razumes da ne kazem da je sada sjajno,samo da je bolje. 

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Moja vizura je mozda nekome jako uska, al se bar bazira na podacima i istrazivanjima i zakljucima drugih, dok se necija svodi na ja ja,mene, eh mladosti i sl nostalgijama 

[nera]

Prvo znam,sto iz prve ruke sto istrazivanja. Bolje je nego pre 35 godina. Ili mislis da je u selima vreme stalo? I da, mali svic, pokusaj da razumes da ne kazem da je sada sjajno,samo da je bolje. 

 

deder, budi ljubazan iscitati carsaf sto ti ispisah. i da, pokusaj da razumes da jeste bolje, ali samo formalno, za dobar broj zenske populacije (u srbiji) emancipacija ostaje samo na papiru.

[nera]

Moja vizura je mozda nekome jako uska, al se bar bazira na podacima i istrazivanjima i zakljucima drugih, dok se necija svodi na ja ja,mene, eh mladosti i sl nostalgijama 

 

zvucis kao premijer sa ovim neki, necija, mnogi, ja, meni...

[beta]

ovaj kurjak je kao noskich, izuzetno upućen teoretičar. sve zna najbolje

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Prvo iscitao sam neditovani carsaf, drugo ako cemo da se frljamo pricama ,cuo sam i imam prijatelja ekstremima, ja mogu da pocnem da vadim horor price iz sfrj sto se tice polozaja zena, samo ne vidim kako to doprinosi bilo cemu naspram statistika,procenata,zakonskih regulativa i praksi, i stanja stvari na terenu u globalu.