Beograd Prajd

[SNARC]

Uspeh je ovo. Počelo se kao u Beogradu, par stotina učesnika, par hiljada policajaca, ogromni protesti i neredi, završilo se sa 15000 učesnika sasvim bezbednog Prajda. Može se, dakle, ali se mora biti istrajan i uporan.

Treba da se odrzi sa makar 100 ljudi i 10 soma policajaca..Ali da oni koji prave picvajz odmah budu uhapseni i da ih zaista osude na neke ozbiljne kazne..i da se ne sazale na "nasu decu" posle par meseci, da ne popuste pod naletima medija i raznoraznih grupa..Pa kad mombrilima ortaci budu jos uvek na robiji zbog proslogodisnjeg prajda, videces kakva ce reakcija da bude na ovogodisnji ili neki naredni.

[pt 2.0]

državnog aparata.

aj u pet banke da je aparat pokvaren?

[gagorder]

ma ne bih da širim tu diskusiju, samo hoću da kažem da monopol sile nije negde drugde (a država slaba) nego je monopol sile tu gde treba da bude i on deluje, samo ne otvoreno, nego kroz paradržavnu strukturu.

[teacher]

Govnari su otišli taman kad sam stigao na lice mesta... Slučajnost?Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD

[gagorder]

dok sam ja pisala, vi ste se manje-više složili, tako da - da :D

[fragand]

ma ce odrzimonegde, nako bez pompeti si gay?!, cigan?!, hrvat?! programer?!, inzinjer?!

[Turnbull]

ma ne bih da širim tu diskusiju, samo hoću da kažem da monopol sile nije negde drugde (a država slaba) nego je monopol sile tu gde treba da bude i on deluje, samo ne otvoreno, nego kroz paradržavnu strukturu.

Tačno tako, slažemo se do u reč.Ovo je poraz države kao ustavne demokratije, a ne države kao monopola sile.

[fragand]

Govnari su otišli taman kad sam stigao na lice mesta... Slučajnost?

bio si na licinom mestu?totalno neodgovorno, ali moze se razumeti

[Turnbull]

dok sam ja pisala, vi ste se manje-više složili, tako da - da :D

A pošto Kim verovatno nana Irmu i tapše je po leđima da bljucne, onda evo reference koju bi ti on verovatno dao.

Superego is the obscene "nightly" law that necessarily redoubles and accompanies, as its shadow, the "public" Law. This inherent and constitutive splitting in the Law is the subject of Rob Reiner's film A Few Good Men, the court- martial drama about two marines accused of murdering one of their fellow soldiers. The military prosecutor claims that the two marines' act was a deliberate murder, whereas the defense succeeds in proving that the defendants just followed the so-called "Code Red," which authorizes the clandestine night-time beating of a fellow soldier who, in the opinion of his peers or of the superior officer, has broken the ethical code of the marines. The function of this "Code Red" is extremely interesting: it condones an act of transgression- illegal punishment of a fellow soldier- yet at the same time it reaffirms the cohesion of the group, i.e. it calls for an act of supreme identification with group values. Such a code must remain under the cover of night, unacknowledged, unutterable- in public everybody pretends to know nothing about it, or even actively denies its existence. It represents the "spirit of community" In its purest, exerting the strongest pressure on the individual to comply with its mandate of group identification. Yet, simultaneously, it violates the explicit rules of community life. (The plight of the two accused soldiers is that they are unable to grasp this exclusion of "Code Red" from the "Big Other," the domain of the public Law: They desperately ask themselves "What did we do wrong?" since they just followed the order of the superior officer.) Where does this splitting of the Law into the written public Law and its underside, the "unwritten," obscene secret code, come from? From the incomplete, "non-all" character of the public Law: explicit., public rules do not suffice, so they have to be supplemented by a clandestine, "unwritten" code aimed at those who, although they violate no public rules, maintain a kind of inner distance and do not truly identify with the "spirit of community."The field of the law is thus split into Law qua "Ego-ldeal," i.e., a symbolic order which regulates social life and maintains social peace, and into its obscene, superegotistical inverse. As has been shown by numerous analyses from [Mikhail] Bakhtin onwards, periodic transgressions of the public law are inherent to the social order, they function as a condition of the latter's stability. (The mistake of Bakhtin -or, rather, of some of his followers-"- was to present an idealized image of these "transgressions," while passing in silence over lynching parties, etc., as the crucial form of the carnevalesque suspense of social hierarchy.") What most deeply "holds together" a community is not so much identification with the Law that regulates the community's "normal" everyday circuit, but rather identification with a specific form of transgression of the Law, of the Law's suspension (in psychoanalytic terms, with a specific form of enjoyment). Let us return to those small town white communities in the American south of the twenties, where the reign of the official, public Law is accompanied by its shadowy double, the nightly terror of Ku Klux Klan, with its lynching of powerless blacks: a (white) man is easily forgiven minor infractions of the Law, especially when they can be justified by a "code of honor"; the community still recognizes him as "one of us." Yet he will be effectively excommunicated, perceived as "not one of us," the moment he disowns the specific form of transgression that pertains to this community-say, the moment he refuses to partake in the ritual lynching by the Klan, or even reports them to the Law (which, of course, does not want to hear about them since they exemplify its own hidden underside). The Nazi community relied on the same solidarity-in-guilt adduced by participation in a common transgression: it ostracized those who were not ready to assume the dark side of the idyllic Volksgemeinschaft, the night pogroms, the beatings of political opponents - in short, all that "everybody knew, yet did not want to speak about aloud."

[Eraserhead]

Kretenska drzava i kraj price

[dragance]

Ja sve nesto mislim da su ovi "sve zabranili", ali da ce se prajd ipak odrzati.

[hattori]

nadam se jednom golemom europejskom penisu od datuma.cisto da alek i dacek imaju s cime da se igraju u narednom periodu.

[Jozef K.]

Krenuo neki spin, kako je Dačić insistirao na neodržavanju, kontra PPV-u. Ne volim nikakve teorije, čisto da prenesem.Sve ste već napisali.

[aram]

nadam se jednom golemom europejskom penisu od datuma.cisto da alek i dacek imaju s cime da se igraju u narednom periodu.

+pas mater seljačku

[dillinger]

Uspeh je ovo. Počelo se kao u Beogradu, par stotina učesnika, par hiljada policajaca, ogromni protesti i neredi, završilo se sa 15000 učesnika sasvim bezbednog Prajda. Može se, dakle, ali se mora biti istrajan i uporan.

Stvar opšte klime, nije Hrvatska se bavila samo Prajdom već je pooštrila i zakone protiv huligana na primer, tako da je Time Crisis u pravu.